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Ceonthus Concha dying?
About a month ago I planted two of these. Both now seem dead as the leaves are brown. Any hope or treatment for them?
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Ceonthus Concha dying?
On 14/07/2013 15:40, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:07:12 +0200, Contessa wrote: About a month ago I planted two of these. Both now seem dead as the leaves are brown. Any hope or treatment for them? IME ceanothus are not long-lived, but assuming it was newly bought from a garden centre, it shouldn't have popped its clogs yet. The weather has been dry over the last few weeks and is especially hot ATM. Did you water it a) in its pot before you planted it b) when you planted it and c) have you watered it since? A way to see it it's still alive is to scratch the bark of a twig with your thumbnail. If the wood just under the bark is green, it's still alive. If not, try scratching another spot a bit further down the stem. It should have had a good soak in a bucket of water before planting then every couple of days a good bucket of water in the evening for each plant so that the water soaks down to the roots at the bottom. Messing about with a watering can with a rose on it is the worst thing that a person can do in this weather. |
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nurseries.co.uk says... On 14/07/2013 15:40, Chris Hogg wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:07:12 +0200, Contessa wrote: About a month ago I planted two of these. Both now seem dead as the leaves are brown. Any hope or treatment for them? IME ceanothus are not long-lived, but assuming it was newly bought from a garden centre, it shouldn't have popped its clogs yet. The weather has been dry over the last few weeks and is especially hot ATM. Did you water it a) in its pot before you planted it b) when you planted it and c) have you watered it since? A way to see it it's still alive is to scratch the bark of a twig with your thumbnail. If the wood just under the bark is green, it's still alive. If not, try scratching another spot a bit further down the stem. It should have had a good soak in a bucket of water before planting then every couple of days a good bucket of water in the evening for each plant so that the water soaks down to the roots at the bottom. Messing about with a watering can with a rose on it is the worst thing that a person can do in this weather. Another useful tip, is to dig the planting hole (set the soil aside) then completely fill the hole with water. Wait until the water has all soaked away then proceed with planting. Janet |
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On 14/07/2013 17:02, Janet wrote:
In article , david@abacus- nurseries.co.uk says... On 14/07/2013 15:40, Chris Hogg wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:07:12 +0200, Contessa wrote: About a month ago I planted two of these. Both now seem dead as the leaves are brown. Any hope or treatment for them? IME ceanothus are not long-lived, but assuming it was newly bought from a garden centre, it shouldn't have popped its clogs yet. The weather has been dry over the last few weeks and is especially hot ATM. Did you water it a) in its pot before you planted it b) when you planted it and c) have you watered it since? A way to see it it's still alive is to scratch the bark of a twig with your thumbnail. If the wood just under the bark is green, it's still alive. If not, try scratching another spot a bit further down the stem. It should have had a good soak in a bucket of water before planting then every couple of days a good bucket of water in the evening for each plant so that the water soaks down to the roots at the bottom. Messing about with a watering can with a rose on it is the worst thing that a person can do in this weather. Another useful tip, is to dig the planting hole (set the soil aside) then completely fill the hole with water. Wait until the water has all soaked away then proceed with planting. Janet That does depend on your soil. I saw that done in a new garden, the soil was almost pure clay and it took a couple of days for the water to go. I don't like planting into soggy soil. I'd leave it for a few hours after soaking before planting, then I would water again using a bucket. |
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On 2013-07-15 00:20:40 +0100, David Hill said:
On 14/07/2013 17:02, Janet wrote: In article , david@abacus- nurseries.co.uk says... On 14/07/2013 15:40, Chris Hogg wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:07:12 +0200, Contessa wrote: About a month ago I planted two of these. Both now seem dead as the leaves are brown. Any hope or treatment for them? IME ceanothus are not long-lived, but assuming it was newly bought from a garden centre, it shouldn't have popped its clogs yet. The weather has been dry over the last few weeks and is especially hot ATM. Did you water it a) in its pot before you planted it b) when you planted it and c) have you watered it since? A way to see it it's still alive is to scratch the bark of a twig with your thumbnail. If the wood just under the bark is green, it's still alive. If not, try scratching another spot a bit further down the stem. It should have had a good soak in a bucket of water before planting then every couple of days a good bucket of water in the evening for each plant so that the water soaks down to the roots at the bottom. Messing about with a watering can with a rose on it is the worst thing that a person can do in this weather. Another useful tip, is to dig the planting hole (set the soil aside) then completely fill the hole with water. Wait until the water has all soaked away then proceed with planting. Janet That does depend on your soil. I saw that done in a new garden, the soil was almost pure clay and it took a couple of days for the water to go. I don't like planting into soggy soil. I'd leave it for a few hours after soaking before planting, then I would water again using a bucket. Another possibility is to put a length of pipe down into the soil beside the newly planted shrub or tree and direct the hose through that. If there's a lot of other mature planting in the area, it means that the new plant gets the water direct to its roots and doesn't have to share it with things that are fending for themselves. But I agree that this is almost certainly lack of watering in hot weather. Usually, we seem to be encouraging people not to over-water but it is a fact that newly planted shrubs, trees, hedges all need a good deal of water while establishing themselves and especially in dry weather. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 14/07/2013 15:40, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:07:12 +0200, Contessa wrote: About a month ago I planted two of these. Both now seem dead as the leaves are brown. Any hope or treatment for them? IME ceanothus are not long-lived, Not IME. They may not make 100, but 30 years shouldn't be beyond them. I had C.'Zanzibar' going for 14 years, through some of the hottest summers and coldest winters, and it also survived being pulled over and half out of the ground by wet snow. As it's variegated, it might possibly be considered weaker than a normal ceanothus. When I moved and left it behind it was about 4 metres high and 3 across. And it is not unusual to see 5 - 6m or even higher bushes is some of the bigger NGS (and other) gardens. Although, of course, it would depend where you are. I don't know how well they'd get on in the colder areas of the UK. -- Jeff |
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Jeff Layman wrote: On 14/07/2013 15:40, Chris Hogg wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 15:07:12 +0200, Contessa wrote: About a month ago I planted two of these. Both now seem dead as the leaves are brown. Any hope or treatment for them? IME ceanothus are not long-lived, Not IME. They may not make 100, but 30 years shouldn't be beyond them. I had C.'Zanzibar' going for 14 years, through some of the hottest summers and coldest winters, and it also survived being pulled over and half out of the ground by wet snow. As it's variegated, it might possibly be considered weaker than a normal ceanothus. When I moved and left it behind it was about 4 metres high and 3 across. And it is not unusual to see 5 - 6m or even higher bushes is some of the bigger NGS (and other) gardens. Although, of course, it would depend where you are. I don't know how well they'd get on in the colder areas of the UK. It isn't just the cold, but the wet, and the local fungi. A lot of such plants die from root-rot, and that can happen in a few years or after many decades. I had to get rid of mine because it got too big for the location, and they don't respond well to hard pruning, but I wouldn't have expected a long life. This is because, despite my soil being 60% sand and being in one of the drier parts of the country, thyme, rosemary, sage etc. are all short-lived. I have also lost quite a few unrelated plants after a few years, for the same reason, including buddleia. So the fact that it's short-lived for some people and long-lived for others, with no apparent reason, doesn't surprise me. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... (snip) IME ceanothus are not long-lived, Not IME. They may not make 100, but 30 years shouldn't be beyond them. I had C.'Zanzibar' going for 14 years, through some of the hottest summers and coldest winters, and it also survived being pulled over and half out of the ground by wet snow. As it's variegated, it might possibly be considered weaker than a normal ceanothus. When I moved and left it behind it was about 4 metres high and 3 across. And it is not unusual to see 5 - 6m or even higher bushes is some of the bigger NGS (and other) gardens. Although, of course, it would depend where you are. I don't know how well they'd get on in the colder areas of the UK. I have two here which are more than ten years old and they cope fine with the winter cold (down to -20C). they are however against a wall, so remain quite dry in the winter. Phil Northern Highlands of Scotland |
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Thank you for your reply. Yes, I did water it before, during and after planting. I hadn't heard of the bark scratching test but I'll do it and report back. |
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I'm intending to move back to down Cornwall soon (if I can sell my house) and hope I have more success with gardening then! |
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