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What the hell is wrong with this group?
On 2013-09-09 19:58:59 +0100, Baz said:
Sacha wrote in : On 2013-09-09 17:47:35 +0100, Gary Woods said: Sacha wrote: But if it were to be a moderated group, it might be better to start a new one, imo. Moderated groups tend to be kind of sterile, which goes against what we gardeners hope for.... pointless arguments will always be with us* visit any pub in any country- and using your reader's "ignore thread" and killfile features helps a lot. IMHO, there's nothing wrong with this group. *See Cleese et al. I agree. My own view is that this is a real treasure trove of information for gardening at every level and all of us can receive help and learn from others all the time. And I know there are people who lurk and don't post and they'd miss out in a moderated group. The persistent troll, or the occasional idiot that wanders in, don't detract from the overall value of urg, imo. But quibbles about spelling and grammar would be better left at the door, again imo only, of course. Plenty of people are dyslexic to a greater or lesser degree and really should not be dissuaded from posting here because someone persists in objecting to errors. While sometimes it's necessary to correct the spelling of plant names for the sake of good information, the rest should be overlooked. I agree. And I like your creative spelling of Dislexick.:-) Baz KO. ;-) Several members of my wider family are dyslexic to a greater or lesser degree but they're mostly rather clever, also to a greater or lesser degree! ;-) So I do know that it's no reflection upon intelligence or ability, though for some reason, I take the opposite side of the family coin, because words and their spellings easily stick in my head while I and maths are sworn enemies. Arithmetic, yes. Maths = me, screaming and running into the hills. What really pains me about the attitude to dyslexia is how easily - even now - people who suffer from it can be dismissed as 'not very bright'. I know, absolutely, that this is not the case, any more than someone who is colourblind isn't 'very bright'. Dyslexia is a particular trial for peope in horticulture. Not only are they trying to learn and write another language when naming plants, or writing their labels, they're trying to *remember* those names even without seeing them written down. I think it takes quite a degree of persistence to go through that and continue to battle with it throughout a career. Having had a lot of first hand experience of people with dyslexia, I admire those who deal with it daily very much -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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What the hell is wrong with this group?
Sacha wrote in news:b96thoF893cU1
@mid.individual.net: I agree. My own view is that this is a real treasure trove of information for gardening at every level and all of us can receive help and learn from others all the time. And I know there are people who lurk and don't post and they'd miss out in a moderated group. The persistent troll, or the occasional idiot that wanders in, don't detract from the overall value of urg, imo. But quibbles about spelling and grammar would be better left at the door, again imo only, of course. Plenty of people are dyslexic to a greater or lesser degree and really should not be dissuaded from posting here because someone persists in objecting to errors. While sometimes it's necessary to correct the spelling of plant names for the sake of good information, the rest should be overlooked. I agree. And I like your creative spelling of Dislexick.:-) Baz KO. ;-) Several members of my wider family are dyslexic to a greater or lesser degree but they're mostly rather clever, also to a greater or lesser degree! ;-) So I do know that it's no reflection upon intelligence or ability, though for some reason, I take the opposite side of the family coin, because words and their spellings easily stick in my head while I and maths are sworn enemies. Arithmetic, yes. Maths = me, screaming and running into the hills. What really pains me about the attitude to dyslexia is how easily - even now - people who suffer from it can be dismissed as 'not very bright'. I know, absolutely, that this is not the case, any more than someone who is colourblind isn't 'very bright'. Dyslexia is a particular trial for peope in horticulture. Not only are they trying to learn and write another language when naming plants, or writing their labels, they're trying to *remember* those names even without seeing them written down. I think it takes quite a degree of persistence to go through that and continue to battle with it throughout a career. Having had a lot of first hand experience of people with dyslexia, I admire those who deal with it daily very much. My "training" to deal with dyslexia when reading, was to recognise the word and not to get bogged down trying to spell it. But writing is a different matter. Thanks to spell checker software it is quite easy now. When I was at school there was no such thing. A NIGHTMARE. My music teacher was sympathetic and taught me to read music, in a basic way. And my maths teacher was stunned that I could master to some degree algebra and trig. at age 11 when I went to the comprehensive school. My primary school teacher thought I was thick, so I never tried to impress her. I just grunted and got myself a bad attitude. My older brother tought me most things then. Thank goodness things have become better for the younger dyslexic. Baz |
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What the hell is wrong with this group?
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 11:51:06 +0000, Baz wrote:
Thank goodness things have become better for the younger dyslexic. Efforts are being made, but kids still slip through. My nephew is one such. No question things are better than they were, though. -E P.S. I think this is a good ng, I learn a lot here about new plants and/ or techniques. Thread drift and OT-ness are normal and not always bad. Yes gardening content has been down recently but that will change I'm sure. -- Gardening in Lower Normandy |
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What the hell is wrong with this group?
On 2013-09-10 12:51:06 +0100, Baz said:
snip My "training" to deal with dyslexia when reading, was to recognise the word and not to get bogged down trying to spell it. But writing is a different matter. Thanks to spell checker software it is quite easy now. When I was at school there was no such thing. A NIGHTMARE. My music teacher was sympathetic and taught me to read music, in a basic way. And my maths teacher was stunned that I could master to some degree algebra and trig. at age 11 when I went to the comprehensive school. My primary school teacher thought I was thick, so I never tried to impress her. I just grunted and got myself a bad attitude. My older brother tought me most things then. Thank goodness things have become better for the younger dyslexic. Baz An awful lot depended on how old you are now! One of my family is severely dyslexic and now in his fifties, another in their 30s has the problem equally badly but wasn't diagnosed for years. The different approaches, understanding, knowledge are simply astonishing. The 50 something had some kind of funny little machine that was supposed to make it easier for him to read, iirc. Luckily, he went to a boarding school where they were au fait with that kind of problem, as he was one of the earliest to be diagnosed and treated with understanding and specific assistance. At one time, 'they' thought left handed children were more likely to be dyslexic. It's hardly strong evidence but I'm the only (mostly) left handed member of my family and my spelling is near perfect ( do not be fooled by the typos). This is not because of some gift I have, it's just that I remember the construction of a word easily and almost see a picture of it when I'm using it. And I learned to read when very young and have always read a lot. Otoh, I am really, really bad at maths (not arithmetic) and my brain just glazes over when people start talking mathy things. And in that instance and thanks to *my* age, I didn't have to do maths O level and gave up maths altogether at 14. Dyslexia has absolutely zero to do with intelligence. Otoh, how people express themselves and use words, even if they can't spell, probably does! ;-) Just as a rider, when I was at school in the 60s, a friend's brother joined the Fleet Air Arm. He was horribly dyslexic apparently and his gloves were marked with 'L' and 'R'. I cannot imagine how he got away with that! -- Sacha South Devon |
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