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Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
I am after a composter that i can throw anything in such as- left over food off the diiner plates including gravy, rabbit droppings and hay, Lots of flowers ( I am a florist so have lots of stems and leaves etc to go in)
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Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
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amme wrote: I am after a composter that i can throw anything in such as- left over food off the diiner plates including gravy, rabbit droppings and hay, Lots of flowers ( I am a florist so have lots of stems and leaves etc to go in) Look at the FAQ about traditional composting. I chuck even bones and old jersies on it. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
On 12/05/2014 16:01, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , amme wrote: I am after a composter that i can throw anything in such as- left over food off the diiner plates including gravy, rabbit droppings and hay, Lots of flowers ( I am a florist so have lots of stems and leaves etc to go in) Look at the FAQ about traditional composting. I chuck even bones and old jersies on it. Regards, Nick Maclaren. I recycle my leftovers via the local fox and badger population |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
On 13/05/2014 08:17, Corporal Jones wrote:
On 12/05/2014 16:01, Nick Maclaren wrote: In article , amme wrote: I am after a composter that i can throw anything in such as- left over food off the diiner plates including gravy, rabbit droppings and hay, Lots of flowers ( I am a florist so have lots of stems and leaves etc to go in) Look at the FAQ about traditional composting. I chuck even bones and old jersies on it. Regards, Nick Maclaren. I recycle my leftovers via the local fox and badger population I still wonder on your diet with leftover food comprising gravy, rabbit droppings and hay. |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
On Mon, 12 May 2014 10:56:02 +0200, amme wrote:
I am after a composter that i can throw anything in such as- left over food off the diiner plates including gravy, rabbit droppings and hay, Lots of flowers ( I am a florist so have lots of stems and leaves etc to go in) The problem with cooked food in a composter is not that it won't compost: it will - if it stays there long enough to do so. More likely it will attract every mouse, rat, fox and badger to your composter and it will be eaten before it rots down. Look at wormeries instead for cooked food and keep the compost heap for hay (???), rabbit droppings, grass clippings, flowers etc.etc. |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
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Derek Turner wrote: On Mon, 12 May 2014 10:56:02 +0200, amme wrote: I am after a composter that i can throw anything in such as- left over food off the diiner plates including gravy, rabbit droppings and hay, Lots of flowers ( I am a florist so have lots of stems and leaves etc to go in) The problem with cooked food in a composter is not that it won't compost: it will - if it stays there long enough to do so. More likely it will attract every mouse, rat, fox and badger to your composter and it will be eaten before it rots down. Look at wormeries instead for cooked food and keep the compost heap for hay (???), rabbit droppings, grass clippings, flowers etc.etc. That is an old wives' tale. I have even had rats living in my compost and not touching the cooked food. As our old ratcatcher said, they are attracted by the warmth and worms - which are inseparable from a compost heap. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
On 2014-05-13 16:25:13 +0000, Nick Maclaren said:
In article , Derek Turner wrote: On Mon, 12 May 2014 10:56:02 +0200, amme wrote: I am after a composter that i can throw anything in such as- left over food off the diiner plates including gravy, rabbit droppings and hay, Lots of flowers ( I am a florist so have lots of stems and leaves etc to go in) The problem with cooked food in a composter is not that it won't compost: it will - if it stays there long enough to do so. More likely it will attract every mouse, rat, fox and badger to your composter and it will be eaten before it rots down. Look at wormeries instead for cooked food and keep the compost heap for hay (???), rabbit droppings, grass clippings, flowers etc.etc. That is an old wives' tale. I have even had rats living in my compost and not touching the cooked food. As our old ratcatcher said, they are attracted by the warmth and worms - which are inseparable from a compost heap. Regards, Nick Maclaren. Our rodent man came round today and says there's a bit increase in the rat population - around 40% in places. Such a cheery thought! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
On 2014-05-13 14:50:11 +0000, Derek Turner said:
On Mon, 12 May 2014 10:56:02 +0200, amme wrote: I am after a composter that i can throw anything in such as- left over food off the diiner plates including gravy, rabbit droppings and hay, Lots of flowers ( I am a florist so have lots of stems and leaves etc to go in) The problem with cooked food in a composter is not that it won't compost: it will - if it stays there long enough to do so. More likely it will attract every mouse, rat, fox and badger to your composter and it will be eaten before it rots down. Look at wormeries instead for cooked food and keep the compost heap for hay (???), rabbit droppings, grass clippings, flowers etc.etc. Well, at least you don't have to worry about fox or badger! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
On Tue, 13 May 2014 17:25:13 +0100, Nick Maclaren wrote:
That is an old wives' tale. An old wive's tale that has found its way in to many books, then :) My apologies to the OP in that case: I'd still consider a wormery, though :) PS is it old wives' or old wive's? Does the v imply plural anyway? cf children's |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
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Derek Turner wrote: That is an old wives' tale. An old wive's tale that has found its way in to many books, then :) Oh, yes, indeed! My apologies to the OP in that case: I'd still consider a wormery, though :) I have never used one, but some people swear by them. PS is it old wives' or old wive's? Does the v imply plural anyway? cf children's A damn good question. On second thought, I was wrong, but it is probably wives with no apostrophe! Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
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Nick Maclaren wrote: PS is it old wives' or old wive's? Does the v imply plural anyway? cf children's A damn good question. On second thought, I was wrong, but it is probably wives with no apostrophe! On third thought - no, I was was right, and my last response was stupid. The plural is wives, and so it would be wives's, except for the rule dropping the last "s". Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
On 13 May 2014 14:50:11 GMT, Derek Turner wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2014 10:56:02 +0200, amme wrote: I am after a composter that i can throw anything in such as- left over food off the diiner plates including gravy, rabbit droppings and hay, Lots of flowers ( I am a florist so have lots of stems and leaves etc to go in) The problem with cooked food in a composter is not that it won't compost: it will - if it stays there long enough to do so. More likely it will attract every mouse, rat, fox and badger to your composter and it will be eaten before it rots down. Look at wormeries instead for cooked food and keep the compost heap for hay (???), rabbit droppings, grass clippings, flowers etc.etc. Rats and other vermin don't eat cooked food unless they a really hungry. They prefer fresh food. Steve -- Neural Network Software http://www.npsnn.com EasyNN-plus More than just a neural network http://www.easynn.com SwingNN Prediction software http://www.swingnn.com JustNN Just a neural network http://www.justnn.com |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
On Tue, 13 May 2014 18:42:03 +0100, Nick Maclaren wrote:
My apologies to the OP in that case: I'd still consider a wormery, though I have never used one, but some people swear by them. The huge advantage to many allotmenteers is that the wormery can sit outside the back kitchen door (or in the utility room in cold weather) whereas the compost heap might be a couple of miles away :) |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
On Tue, 13 May 2014 18:45:07 +0100, Nick Maclaren wrote:
On third thought - no, I was was right, and my last response was stupid. The plural is wives, and so it would be wives's, except for the rule dropping the last "s". Yes, thinko on my part. It just didn't look right ;) |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
On Wed, 14 May 2014 13:35:48 +0200, Martin wrote:
The huge advantage to many allotmenteers is that the wormery can sit outside the back kitchen door (or in the utility room in cold weather) whereas the compost heap might be a couple of miles away You have the problem of moving the output to the allotment instead of the input to the wormery. Yes, but we are talking of a HUGE reduction in volume and smelliness :) A 2-litre bottle of liquid manure and a carrier-bag full of worm-droppings (compost) every few weeks is no real problem. |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
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Derek Turner wrote: On Wed, 14 May 2014 13:35:48 +0200, Martin wrote: The huge advantage to many allotmenteers is that the wormery can sit outside the back kitchen door (or in the utility room in cold weather) whereas the compost heap might be a couple of miles away You have the problem of moving the output to the allotment instead of the input to the wormery. Yes, but we are talking of a HUGE reduction in volume and smelliness :) A 2-litre bottle of liquid manure and a carrier-bag full of worm-droppings (compost) every few weeks is no real problem. Whereas it would be ridiculous for someone like me, who has my heaps 70 yards away at the bottom of the garden. Using a wormery because you 'can't compost cooked food' is ridiculous - using one because it is a great convenience is entirely sensible. You pays your money and you takes your choice .... Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
On 13 May 2014 14:50:11 GMT, Derek Turner wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2014 10:56:02 +0200, amme wrote: I am after a composter that i can throw anything in such as- left over food off the diiner plates including gravy, rabbit droppings and hay, Lots of flowers ( I am a florist so have lots of stems and leaves etc to go in) The problem with cooked food in a composter is not that it won't compost: it will - if it stays there long enough to do so. More likely it will attract every mouse, rat, fox and badger to your composter and it will be eaten before it rots down. Look at wormeries instead for cooked food and keep the compost heap for hay (???), rabbit droppings, grass clippings, flowers etc.etc. Indeed: I put lots of cooked food - including meat - in my wormery with no problems. |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
On Tue, 13 May 2014 17:52:25 +0100, Sacha wrote:
snip Our rodent man came round today and says there's a bit increase in the rat population - around 40% in places. Such a cheery thought! Perhaps he was just self-promoting and hoping that you will have him round more frequently. |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
On 2014-05-16 22:51:39 +0000, Judith in England said:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 17:52:25 +0100, Sacha wrote: snip Our rodent man came round today and says there's a bit increase in the rat population - around 40% in places. Such a cheery thought! Perhaps he was just self-promoting and hoping that you will have him round more frequently. He's on a 6-weekly visit contract in the season and has been for more years than I can remember. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
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Sacha wrote: On 2014-05-16 22:51:39 +0000, Judith in England said: Our rodent man came round today and says there's a bit increase in the rat population - around 40% in places. Such a cheery thought! Perhaps he was just self-promoting and hoping that you will have him round more frequently. He's on a 6-weekly visit contract in the season and has been for more years than I can remember. The reason is simple and has been known for decades - mild winters. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 2014-05-17 08:22:30 +0000, Nick Maclaren said:
In article , Sacha wrote: On 2014-05-16 22:51:39 +0000, Judith in England said: Our rodent man came round today and says there's a bit increase in the rat population - around 40% in places. Such a cheery thought! Perhaps he was just self-promoting and hoping that you will have him round more frequently. He's on a 6-weekly visit contract in the season and has been for more years than I can remember. The reason is simple and has been known for decades - mild winters. Regards, Nick Maclaren. Exactly what he said and this last winter has been particularly mild here. The Echiums are looking fabulous! ;-) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
On 2014-05-17 08:35:40 +0000, Martin said:
On Sat, 17 May 2014 09:22:30 +0100 (BST), (Nick Maclaren) wrote: In article , Sacha wrote: On 2014-05-16 22:51:39 +0000, Judith in England said: Our rodent man came round today and says there's a bit increase in the rat population - around 40% in places. Such a cheery thought! Perhaps he was just self-promoting and hoping that you will have him round more frequently. He's on a 6-weekly visit contract in the season and has been for more years than I can remember. The reason is simple and has been known for decades - mild winters. The floods can't have done them much good in places where there were floods. The danger is them swimming into houses and outbuildings, aiui. In some of the worst flooded areas, farmers are going to have to buy worms to re-stock their land with them. All the ones that were there drowned. A friend of my daughter, whose house had never flooded before, had to be evacuated along with several horses, dogs, cats and chickens. She moved back in a few weeks ago but is still coping with sludge and the vile smell of wet plaster and flooring. Hers was one of the villages totally cut off and accessible only by boat. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
Help! what composter composts cooked food etc
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Sacha wrote: On 2014-05-17 08:35:40 +0000, Martin said: Our rodent man came round today and says there's a bit increase in the rat population - around 40% in places. Such a cheery thought! Perhaps he was just self-promoting and hoping that you will have him round more frequently. He's on a 6-weekly visit contract in the season and has been for more years than I can remember. The reason is simple and has been known for decades - mild winters. The floods can't have done them much good in places where there were floods. The danger is them swimming into houses and outbuildings, aiui. In some of the worst flooded areas, farmers are going to have to buy worms to re-stock their land with them. All the ones that were there drowned. A friend of my daughter, whose house had never flooded before, had to be evacuated along with several horses, dogs, cats and chickens. She moved back in a few weeks ago but is still coping with sludge and the vile smell of wet plaster and flooring. Hers was one of the villages totally cut off and accessible only by boat. And, as someone said on television, the one consolation is that the rats will also have been severely reduced. But rats can swim, so the number of places where they will have been unable to survive isn't all that large. Several people reported that their lofts became full of rats during the floods. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 2014-05-17 11:42:38 +0000, Martin said:
On Sat, 17 May 2014 12:09:16 +0100, Sacha wrote: On 2014-05-17 08:35:40 +0000, Martin said: On Sat, 17 May 2014 09:22:30 +0100 (BST), (Nick Maclaren) wrote: In article , Sacha wrote: On 2014-05-16 22:51:39 +0000, Judith in England said: Our rodent man came round today and says there's a bit increase in the rat population - around 40% in places. Such a cheery thought! Perhaps he was just self-promoting and hoping that you will have him round more frequently. He's on a 6-weekly visit contract in the season and has been for more years than I can remember. The reason is simple and has been known for decades - mild winters. The floods can't have done them much good in places where there were floods. The danger is them swimming into houses and outbuildings, aiui. In some of the worst flooded areas, farmers are going to have to buy worms to re-stock their land with them. All the ones that were there drowned. A friend of my daughter, whose house had never flooded before, had to be evacuated along with several horses, dogs, cats and chickens. She moved back in a few weeks ago but is still coping with sludge and the vile smell of wet plaster and flooring. Hers was one of the villages totally cut off and accessible only by boat. Has she applied for the £5,000 that was promised by DC to all flood victims? I don't know but I'd imagine so. One very greedy pair of people charged a huge sum of money to transport and 'rescue' the horses just a few hours before the Parrett broke its banks and flooded her property, so a big chunk of that £5k will have been spent already. She'd been living with water in the house but then the animals were endangered. She's applied to have her house compulsorily purchased because of the neglect of the waterways which contributed so largely to the problem. She doubts she'll be able to sell it otherwise! She only moved in two years ago and her surveyor assured her the house had never flooded. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
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On 2014-05-18 09:20:11 +0000, Martin said:
On Sat, 17 May 2014 14:31:04 +0100, sacha wrote: snip Has she applied for the £5,000 that was promised by DC to all flood victims? I don't know but I'd imagine so. One very greedy pair of people charged a huge sum of money to transport and 'rescue' the horses just a few hours before the Parrett broke its banks and flooded her property, so a big chunk of that £5k will have been spent already. She'd been living with water in the house but then the animals were endangered. She's applied to have her house compulsorily purchased because of the neglect of the waterways which contributed so largely to the problem. She doubts she'll be able to sell it otherwise! She only moved in two years ago and her surveyor assured her the house had never flooded. According to the BBC Local News for Lincs & E Yorkshire, many whose houses were damaged by floods in Humberside haven't applied for the £5,000. Aren't surveyors legally responsible for their surveys? AFAIK like architects they are insured against claims. Afaik, surveyors are responsible for their surveys, yes. But he couldn't report a hazard from something which had never happened. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
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On 2014-05-20 07:46:52 +0000, Martin said:
On Sun, 18 May 2014 12:13:42 +0100, Janet wrote: In article , lid says... sacha wrote She only moved in two years ago and her surveyor assured her the house had never flooded. Aren't surveyors legally responsible for their surveys? Yes, but if he reported the truth he can't be faulted. A survey report only reflects the current status of the property, it's not a future guarantee. The flood maps provided by the EA show potential flooding areas, with probabilities of flooding, not just historic flood areas. Both my children used the maps when buying their houses. It could be why they both live on top of hills. http://apps.environment-agency.gov.uk/wiyby/37837.aspx Nonetheless, the property had never flooded and a surveyor can only comment on current conditions in the property. He can't say e.g. you've got wooden beams in the kitchen, so you might get woodworm one day! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 20/05/14 10:25, Sacha wrote:
On 2014-05-20 07:46:52 +0000, Martin said: On Sun, 18 May 2014 12:13:42 +0100, Janet wrote: In article , lid says... sacha wrote She only moved in two years ago and her surveyor assured her the house had never flooded. Aren't surveyors legally responsible for their surveys? Yes, but if he reported the truth he can't be faulted. A survey report only reflects the current status of the property, it's not a future guarantee. The flood maps provided by the EA show potential flooding areas, with probabilities of flooding, not just historic flood areas. Both my children used the maps when buying their houses. It could be why they both live on top of hills. http://apps.environment-agency.gov.uk/wiyby/37837.aspx Nonetheless, the property had never flooded and a surveyor can only comment on current conditions in the property. He can't say e.g. you've got wooden beams in the kitchen, so you might get woodworm one day! Of course they can - and should, particularly as it is a simple prudent way for them to avoid the possibility of future claims. The surveyors of my houses have done exactly that kind of thing and more - and I'd be miffed if they hadn't. Of course a "house valuation survey" (to convince a lender that they would get their money back if they had to sell the property) is pretty vestigial. I'm sure there are cases where it was sufficient for them to merely drive past the property without stopping. |
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On 2014-05-20 09:49:11 +0000, Tom Gardner said:
On 20/05/14 10:25, Sacha wrote: On 2014-05-20 07:46:52 +0000, Martin said: On Sun, 18 May 2014 12:13:42 +0100, Janet wrote: In article , lid says... sacha wrote She only moved in two years ago and her surveyor assured her the house had never flooded. Aren't surveyors legally responsible for their surveys? Yes, but if he reported the truth he can't be faulted. A survey report only reflects the current status of the property, it's not a future guarantee. The flood maps provided by the EA show potential flooding areas, with probabilities of flooding, not just historic flood areas. Both my children used the maps when buying their houses. It could be why they both live on top of hills. http://apps.environment-agency.gov.uk/wiyby/37837.aspx Nonetheless, the property had never flooded and a surveyor can only comment on current conditions in the property. He can't say e.g. you've got wooden beams in the kitchen, so you might get woodworm one day! Of course they can - and should, particularly as it is a simple prudent way for them to avoid the possibility of future claims. The surveyors of my houses have done exactly that kind of thing and more - and I'd be miffed if they hadn't. Of course a "house valuation survey" (to convince a lender that they would get their money back if they had to sell the property) is pretty vestigial. I'm sure there are cases where it was sufficient for them to merely drive past the property without stopping. I don't know how many houses you've had surveys on but for me, it's four. I've never encountered a surveyor who deals in things that don't exist and have never happened. If he or she starts that, the house seller may well sue them. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
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On 2014-05-20 10:36:56 +0000, Martin said:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 10:25:19 +0100, Sacha wrote: On 2014-05-20 07:46:52 +0000, Martin said: On Sun, 18 May 2014 12:13:42 +0100, Janet wrote: In article , lid says... sacha wrote She only moved in two years ago and her surveyor assured her the house had never flooded. Aren't surveyors legally responsible for their surveys? Yes, but if he reported the truth he can't be faulted. A survey report only reflects the current status of the property, it's not a future guarantee. The flood maps provided by the EA show potential flooding areas, with probabilities of flooding, not just historic flood areas. Both my children used the maps when buying their houses. It could be why they both live on top of hills. http://apps.environment-agency.gov.uk/wiyby/37837.aspx Nonetheless, the property had never flooded and a surveyor can only comment on current conditions in the property. He can't say e.g. you've got wooden beams in the kitchen, so you might get woodworm one day! He could have looked at the EA map and said the EA say the probability of flooding is X%. I don't know if he did, obviously but the fact is that the house had never flooded and the reason it did was lack of maintenance by the authorities, not lack of diligence by the surveyor or the buyer. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
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On 20/05/14 13:06, sacha wrote:
On 2014-05-20 09:49:11 +0000, Tom Gardner said: On 20/05/14 10:25, Sacha wrote: On 2014-05-20 07:46:52 +0000, Martin said: On Sun, 18 May 2014 12:13:42 +0100, Janet wrote: In article , lid says... sacha wrote She only moved in two years ago and her surveyor assured her the house had never flooded. Aren't surveyors legally responsible for their surveys? Yes, but if he reported the truth he can't be faulted. A survey report only reflects the current status of the property, it's not a future guarantee. The flood maps provided by the EA show potential flooding areas, with probabilities of flooding, not just historic flood areas. Both my children used the maps when buying their houses. It could be why they both live on top of hills. http://apps.environment-agency.gov.uk/wiyby/37837.aspx Nonetheless, the property had never flooded and a surveyor can only comment on current conditions in the property. He can't say e.g. you've got wooden beams in the kitchen, so you might get woodworm one day! Of course they can - and should, particularly as it is a simple prudent way for them to avoid the possibility of future claims. The surveyors of my houses have done exactly that kind of thing and more - and I'd be miffed if they hadn't. Of course a "house valuation survey" (to convince a lender that they would get their money back if they had to sell the property) is pretty vestigial. I'm sure there are cases where it was sufficient for them to merely drive past the property without stopping. I don't know how many houses you've had surveys on but for me, it's four. Four, the first of which cause me to run away from the property. I've never encountered a surveyor who deals in things that don't exist and have never happened. If he or she starts that, the house seller may well sue them. If the surveyor can't insert suitable weasel words, they aren't a competent surveyor! I've just fished out my last survey, and the first paragraph I read, on p5, states: "No cracking of the masonry was found indicating that the wall-ties are providing adequate support to the walls. It is commented that in older properties where cavity walls have been constructed, wall ties are reaching an age where corrosion may well affect their structural integrity." There are /many/ other such examples in the report, including noting that he is unaware of any problems relating to a nearby club! |
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On 2014-05-20 15:27:26 +0000, Tom Gardner said:
On 20/05/14 13:06, sacha wrote: On 2014-05-20 09:49:11 +0000, Tom Gardner said: On 20/05/14 10:25, Sacha wrote: On 2014-05-20 07:46:52 +0000, Martin said: On Sun, 18 May 2014 12:13:42 +0100, Janet wrote: In article , lid says... sacha wrote She only moved in two years ago and her surveyor assured her the house had never flooded. Aren't surveyors legally responsible for their surveys? Yes, but if he reported the truth he can't be faulted. A survey report only reflects the current status of the property, it's not a future guarantee. The flood maps provided by the EA show potential flooding areas, with probabilities of flooding, not just historic flood areas. Both my children used the maps when buying their houses. It could be why they both live on top of hills. http://apps.environment-agency.gov.uk/wiyby/37837.aspx Nonetheless, the property had never flooded and a surveyor can only comment on current conditions in the property. He can't say e.g. you've got wooden beams in the kitchen, so you might get woodworm one day! Of course they can - and should, particularly as it is a simple prudent way for them to avoid the possibility of future claims. The surveyors of my houses have done exactly that kind of thing and more - and I'd be miffed if they hadn't. Of course a "house valuation survey" (to convince a lender that they would get their money back if they had to sell the property) is pretty vestigial. I'm sure there are cases where it was sufficient for them to merely drive past the property without stopping. I don't know how many houses you've had surveys on but for me, it's four. Four, the first of which cause me to run away from the property. I've never encountered a surveyor who deals in things that don't exist and have never happened. If he or she starts that, the house seller may well sue them. If the surveyor can't insert suitable weasel words, they aren't a competent surveyor! I've just fished out my last survey, and the first paragraph I read, on p5, states: "No cracking of the masonry was found indicating that the wall-ties are providing adequate support to the walls. It is commented that in older properties where cavity walls have been constructed, wall ties are reaching an age where corrosion may well affect their structural integrity." There are /many/ other such examples in the report, including noting that he is unaware of any problems relating to a nearby club! But nobody can introduce a hazard that does not exist. This is getting a bit silly. You're talking about surveyors 'alluding' to know hazards. This was not a known hazard. No surveyor can say "this property is close to the River Parrett which might give rise for concern", when that has never, ever happened! Your surveyor's comment on the wall ties is absolutely vital to the integrity of the structure because they "are reaching an age". The water had never reached this particular property. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 2014-05-20 15:27:26 +0000, Tom Gardner said: On 20/05/14 13:06, sacha wrote: On 2014-05-20 09:49:11 +0000, Tom Gardner said: On 20/05/14 10:25, Sacha wrote: On 2014-05-20 07:46:52 +0000, Martin said: On Sun, 18 May 2014 12:13:42 +0100, Janet wrote: In article , lid says... sacha wrote She only moved in two years ago and her surveyor assured her the house had never flooded. Aren't surveyors legally responsible for their surveys? Yes, but if he reported the truth he can't be faulted. A survey report only reflects the current status of the property, it's not a future guarantee. The flood maps provided by the EA show potential flooding areas, with probabilities of flooding, not just historic flood areas. Both my children used the maps when buying their houses. It could be why they both live on top of hills. http://apps.environment-agency.gov.uk/wiyby/37837.aspx Nonetheless, the property had never flooded and a surveyor can only comment on current conditions in the property. He can't say e.g. you've got wooden beams in the kitchen, so you might get woodworm one day! Of course they can - and should, particularly as it is a simple prudent way for them to avoid the possibility of future claims. The surveyors of my houses have done exactly that kind of thing and more - and I'd be miffed if they hadn't. Of course a "house valuation survey" (to convince a lender that they would get their money back if they had to sell the property) is pretty vestigial. I'm sure there are cases where it was sufficient for them to merely drive past the property without stopping. I don't know how many houses you've had surveys on but for me, it's four. Four, the first of which cause me to run away from the property. I've never encountered a surveyor who deals in things that don't exist and have never happened. If he or she starts that, the house seller may well sue them. If the surveyor can't insert suitable weasel words, they aren't a competent surveyor! I've just fished out my last survey, and the first paragraph I read, on p5, states: "No cracking of the masonry was found indicating that the wall-ties are providing adequate support to the walls. It is commented that in older properties where cavity walls have been constructed, wall ties are reaching an age where corrosion may well affect their structural integrity." There are /many/ other such examples in the report, including noting that he is unaware of any problems relating to a nearby club! But nobody can introduce a hazard that does not exist. This is getting a bit silly. You're talking about surveyors 'alluding' to know hazards. This was not a known hazard. No surveyor can say "this property is close to the River Parrett which might give rise for concern", when that has never, ever happened! Your surveyor's comment on the wall ties is absolutely vital to the integrity of the structure because they "are reaching an age". The water had never reached this particular property. -- Sacha ====================================== Just thought I would add to the non pruned thread A Surveyor can only do and report on what is evident at the time. He is not a fortune teller. Common sense will tell anybody that. Mike --------------------------------------------------------------- www.friendsofshanklintheatre.co.uk |
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On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:06:47 PM UTC+1, sacha wrote:
I've never encountered a surveyor who deals in things that don't exist and have never happened. If he or she starts that, the house seller may well sue them. Oh, I don't know. My daughter and son-in-law were buying a brand-new house built on Limestone, in the lowest possible area for radon exposure, but because of the surveyor's remarks they could not get a mortgage until they had paid for a full survey by the radiological protection board. None of the adjoining properties had to, it was entirely down the the surveyor 'dealling in things that don't exist'. |
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On 2014-05-20 21:33:33 +0000, Martin said:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 13:06:47 +0100, sacha wrote: On 2014-05-20 09:49:11 +0000, Tom Gardner said: On 20/05/14 10:25, Sacha wrote: On 2014-05-20 07:46:52 +0000, Martin said: On Sun, 18 May 2014 12:13:42 +0100, Janet wrote: In article , lid says... sacha wrote She only moved in two years ago and her surveyor assured her the house had never flooded. Aren't surveyors legally responsible for their surveys? Yes, but if he reported the truth he can't be faulted. A survey report only reflects the current status of the property, it's not a future guarantee. The flood maps provided by the EA show potential flooding areas, with probabilities of flooding, not just historic flood areas. Both my children used the maps when buying their houses. It could be why they both live on top of hills. http://apps.environment-agency.gov.uk/wiyby/37837.aspx Nonetheless, the property had never flooded and a surveyor can only comment on current conditions in the property. He can't say e.g. you've got wooden beams in the kitchen, so you might get woodworm one day! Of course they can - and should, particularly as it is a simple prudent way for them to avoid the possibility of future claims. The surveyors of my houses have done exactly that kind of thing and more - and I'd be miffed if they hadn't. Of course a "house valuation survey" (to convince a lender that they would get their money back if they had to sell the property) is pretty vestigial. I'm sure there are cases where it was sufficient for them to merely drive past the property without stopping. I don't know how many houses you've had surveys on but for me, it's four. I've never encountered a surveyor who deals in things that don't exist and have never happened. If he or she starts that, the house seller may well sue them. Why do you think the EA has produced these maps? Is the house of your daughter in the dark blue are of the Somerset Level EA map? The map was produced in 2013, before the last flood. It wasn't my daughter who was flooded. She was never in danger of that, even at the worst moments. The friend of hers who WAS flooded bought the house two years ago, asked about danger from flooding and was told it had never flooded. I don't think one can do more than that because it's a matter of record. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 2014-05-20 21:39:38 +0000, Martin said:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 13:08:12 +0100, sacha wrote: On 2014-05-20 10:36:56 +0000, Martin said: On Tue, 20 May 2014 10:25:19 +0100, Sacha wrote: On 2014-05-20 07:46:52 +0000, Martin said: On Sun, 18 May 2014 12:13:42 +0100, Janet wrote: In article , lid says... sacha wrote She only moved in two years ago and her surveyor assured her the house had never flooded. Aren't surveyors legally responsible for their surveys? Yes, but if he reported the truth he can't be faulted. A survey report only reflects the current status of the property, it's not a future guarantee. The flood maps provided by the EA show potential flooding areas, with probabilities of flooding, not just historic flood areas. Both my children used the maps when buying their houses. It could be why they both live on top of hills. http://apps.environment-agency.gov.uk/wiyby/37837.aspx Nonetheless, the property had never flooded and a surveyor can only comment on current conditions in the property. He can't say e.g. you've got wooden beams in the kitchen, so you might get woodworm one day! He could have looked at the EA map and said the EA say the probability of flooding is X%. I don't know if he did, obviously but the fact is that the house had never flooded and the reason it did was lack of maintenance by the authorities, not lack of diligence by the surveyor or the buyer. The EA knows the state of maintenance of rivers and drains. They take this into account when producing flood maps. IMO if the surveyor did not consult EA flood maps he is incompetent. He cannot be held to be incompetent when he tells a buyer the truth. The house had never flooded. One could say she shouldn't have taken the risk but she asked the right question and she got an honest answer. She has looked into whether or not the surveyor can be held accountable and to the best of my knowledge the answer was "he can't". When my daughter was buying in the area and before I knew it at all, the first question I asked her was "have you checked if there's a flood risk?". In fact, they're too far from the river and are surrounded by fields which got pretty soggy but didn't flood. Otoh, when they were renting a house a few miles away in Cannington, a village, the water came to within inches of their front door the winter before. That alone showed how concrete and tarmac don't help in heavy rainfall. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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... On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 1:06:47 PM UTC+1, sacha wrote: I've never encountered a surveyor who deals in things that don't exist and have never happened. If he or she starts that, the house seller may well sue them. Oh, I don't know. My daughter and son-in-law were buying a brand-new house built on Limestone, in the lowest possible area for radon exposure, but because of the surveyor's remarks they could not get a mortgage until they had paid for a full survey by the radiological protection board. None of the adjoining properties had to, it was entirely down the the surveyor 'dealling in things that don't exist'. ================================================== ======== At least that is 'local knowledge', we have a problem with you people over there on the North Island who see that we have landslips in very well known "to us on the Island" spots, but to you over there, the whole Island is a risky place. Rubbish Mike (Glad to see you pruned the dross off this thread, even though it now has nothing to do with composting, but of course some are allowed to ignore rules aren't they?) --------------------------------------------------------------- www.friendsofshanklintheatre.co.uk Tripadvisor 2014 Award of Excellence |
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Sacha wrote: On 2014-05-21 09:07:55 +0000, said: I've never encountered a surveyor who deals in things that don't exist and have never happened. If he or she starts that, the house seller may well sue them. Oh, I don't know. My daughter and son-in-law were buying a brand-new house built on Limestone, in the lowest possible area for radon exposure, but because of the surveyor's remarks they could not get a mortgage until they had paid for a full survey by the radiological protection board. None of the adjoining properties had to, it was entirely down the the surveyor 'dealling in things that don't exist'. But...it does exist. It exists round here to a low-grade extent. The fact that the mortgager is covering their own backs in terms of a possible deleterious effect upon the property is either common-sense or an over the top reaction, depending on your point of view. You aren't on limestone. Except in houses built of granite, radon simply does not occur in significant quantities on limestone or chalk soils. End of story. The surveyor was incompetent and, IF he had been the buyer's one, could theoretically be sued. But I will bet that he was the lender's (though paid for by the buyer) and so could not. In this monetarist world, you are not a customer - you are the commodity. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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