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Lynx reintroduction
"Phil Cook" wrote in message ... On 04/05/2015 21:58, Christina Websell wrote: "Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... I don't see the need for the re-introduction of species that have died out from the UK, just because they used to be around decades or centuries ago. Move on! Agree. Tell that to all the folk making a mint from the ornithological tourism in the Hebrides and West Highlands after the re-introduction of the white tailed sea eagle. -- Phil Cook Which is not quite the same as having lynx, is it? they will be a perfect nuisance around poultry and sheep. I say NO. |
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Lynx reintroduction
On 12/05/2015 20:56, Christina Websell wrote:
"Phil Cook" wrote in message ... On 04/05/2015 21:58, Christina Websell wrote: "Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... I don't see the need for the re-introduction of species that have died out from the UK, just because they used to be around decades or centuries ago. Move on! Agree. Tell that to all the folk making a mint from the ornithological tourism in the Hebrides and West Highlands after the re-introduction of the white tailed sea eagle. Which is not quite the same as having lynx, is it? they will be a perfect nuisance around poultry and sheep. I say NO. I've seen a white tailed sea eagle facing off with a ewe over a dead lamb. Those birds aren't small. -- Phil Cook |
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Lynx reintroduction
"Phil Cook" wrote in message ... On 12/05/2015 20:56, Christina Websell wrote: "Phil Cook" wrote in message ... On 04/05/2015 21:58, Christina Websell wrote: "Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... I don't see the need for the re-introduction of species that have died out from the UK, just because they used to be around decades or centuries ago. Move on! Agree. Tell that to all the folk making a mint from the ornithological tourism in the Hebrides and West Highlands after the re-introduction of the white tailed sea eagle. Which is not quite the same as having lynx, is it? they will be a perfect nuisance around poultry and sheep. I say NO. I've seen a white tailed sea eagle facing off with a ewe over a dead lamb. Those birds aren't small. -- and your point is? There not room for lynxes (or wolves) to be reintroduced here and I just wish people would stop banging on about it. Yes once upon a time we had them, in the 17th century. i have enough nuisance with foxes without lynxes or wolves being reintroduced. |
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Lynx reintroduction
On 13/05/2015 22:24, Christina Websell wrote:
"Phil Cook" wrote in message ... On 12/05/2015 20:56, Christina Websell wrote: "Phil Cook" wrote in message ... On 04/05/2015 21:58, Christina Websell wrote: "Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... I don't see the need for the re-introduction of species that have died out from the UK, just because they used to be around decades or centuries ago. Move on! Agree. Tell that to all the folk making a mint from the ornithological tourism in the Hebrides and West Highlands after the re-introduction of the white tailed sea eagle. Which is not quite the same as having lynx, is it? they will be a perfect nuisance around poultry and sheep. I say NO. I've seen a white tailed sea eagle facing off with a ewe over a dead lamb. Those birds aren't small. -- and your point is? There not room for lynxes (or wolves) to be reintroduced here and I just wish people would stop banging on about it. Yes once upon a time we had them, in the 17th century. i have enough nuisance with foxes without lynxes or wolves being reintroduced. People said (and some still do) that there was no room for white tailed sea eagles either. My point is that the reintroduction of them has resulted in a boost for the tourist industry. It is estimated that the 6,000 people visiting the island of Mull to see the eagles created a £2 million boost to the local economy in 2010. -- Phil Cook |
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Lynx reintroduction
Phil Cook wrote:
On 13/05/2015 22:24, Christina Websell wrote: "Phil Cook" wrote in message ... On 12/05/2015 20:56, Christina Websell wrote: "Phil Cook" wrote in message ... On 04/05/2015 21:58, Christina Websell wrote: "Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... I don't see the need for the re-introduction of species that have died out from the UK, just because they used to be around decades or centuries ago. Move on! Agree. Tell that to all the folk making a mint from the ornithological tourism in the Hebrides and West Highlands after the re-introduction of the white tailed sea eagle. Which is not quite the same as having lynx, is it? they will be a perfect nuisance around poultry and sheep. I say NO. I've seen a white tailed sea eagle facing off with a ewe over a dead lamb. Those birds aren't small. -- and your point is? There not room for lynxes (or wolves) to be reintroduced here and I just wish people would stop banging on about it. Yes once upon a time we had them, in the 17th century. i have enough nuisance with foxes without lynxes or wolves being reintroduced. People said (and some still do) that there was no room for white tailed sea eagles either. My point is that the reintroduction of them has resulted in a boost for the tourist industry. It is estimated that the 6,000 people visiting the island of Mull to see the eagles created a £2 million boost to the local economy in 2010. Given that most people never see the 100,000s of deer that cover most of the UK, I very much doubt that most people would ever see a Lynx. And there are areas of the UK where there is plenty of room of Lynx as well as people - Mid-Wales, Thetford Forest, parts of N England and Scotland. I imagine the first reintroductions will be with radio-tagged animals which can be tracked and carefully monitored. I would also add, that in my opinion, wild Lynx are going to be a lot less dangerous to people and live stock than some of the dogs that are running around our cities and countryside. Near where I live, the same dog has killed and injured something like like 10 sheep and lambs over the past couple of months. The farmer has, so far, restrained himself from shooting the dog - many farmer would have shot the dog as soon as they saw it worrying sheep. Larry |
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Lynx reintroduction
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Christina Websell wrote: There not room for lynxes (or wolves) to be reintroduced here and I just wish people would stop banging on about it. Yes once upon a time we had them, in the 17th century. i have enough nuisance with foxes without lynxes or wolves being reintroduced. You are factually wrong as regard lynx. There is ample room; whether there is for wolves is more debatable, but the answer is "yes, with reservations." Also, your implications are nonsense. Even the wildest of foxes are naturally scavengers, and do not avoid humans; neither lynx nor wolves are, and both do. Furthermore, there are plenty of places where lynx come into contact with human habitation, and there is essentially no problem. So far, I have never seen anyone argue rationally against lynx; every single one has used purely emotional fury. I could provide some (weak and dubious) rational arguments against, but opponents don't seem capable of even that. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Lynx reintroduction
Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , Christina Websell wrote: There not room for lynxes (or wolves) to be reintroduced here and I just wish people would stop banging on about it. Yes once upon a time we had them, in the 17th century. i have enough nuisance with foxes without lynxes or wolves being reintroduced. You are factually wrong as regard lynx. There is ample room; whether there is for wolves is more debatable, but the answer is "yes, with reservations." Also, your implications are nonsense. Even the wildest of foxes are naturally scavengers, and do not avoid humans; neither lynx nor wolves are, and both do. Furthermore, there are plenty of places where lynx come into contact with human habitation, and there is essentially no problem. So far, I have never seen anyone argue rationally against lynx; every single one has used purely emotional fury. I could provide some (weak and dubious) rational arguments against, but opponents don't seem capable of even that. Regards, Nick Maclaren. It is very interesting to see the completely different reaction on this group to the reaction on uk.rec.natural-history. Largely hysterical here, more 'yeah, so what" on uk.rec.natural-history. Larry |
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Lynx reintroduction
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Larry Stoter wrote: It is very interesting to see the completely different reaction on this group to the reaction on uk.rec.natural-history. Largely hysterical here, more 'yeah, so what" on uk.rec.natural-history. Actually, it's about equally balanced here - it's just that the hysterics are, er, more hysterical. There is ample room for lynx anywhere there is a large muntjac or roe population, or possibly even rabbit!, and Lincolnshire is very definitely among those places. The smaller deer are a serious ecological problem almost everywhere. They will have spread even further by now, but were reaching densities of over 100 per square kilometre, and there is almost no rural or woody suburban area without large a large population of either roe or muntjac, which is causing havoc to our woodland plants. http://www.bds.org.uk/muntjac.html http://www.bds.org.uk/deer_distribution.html http://www.mammal.org.uk/muntjac http://www.bto.org/volunteer-surveys...mal-monitoring But I don't expect mere facts to have any effect on the hysterics. |
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Lynx reintroduction
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Chris Hogg wrote: But I don't expect mere facts to have any effect on the hysterics. I must protest! Opinions were expressed for and against the introduction of lynx, some strongly felt on both sides. Neither was any more hysterical than the other, just different. To claim one side was hysterical is reducing the argument to one of 'ad hominem', which is second-rate and always best avoided. Nonsense. A good half of the opinions against were purely emotional, and the remainder used 'facts' that could readily be disproved (and often were the converse of the truth). As I said, I could provide weak and dubious rational arguments against, but I didn't even see any of them. As a traditional academic-minded person, I regard any opinion based on deliberate ignorance to be purely emotional. Let's take one example: there is no room. Lynx are shy, solitary, woodland hunters which prey on shy, solitary, woodland deer, and (where present) have the effect of replacing some of the deer with lynx. So it's obvious nonsense, and can be seen to be so by simple data searches. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 May 2015 09:53:07 +0100 (BST), (Nick Maclaren) wrote: In article , Larry Stoter wrote: It is very interesting to see the completely different reaction on this group to the reaction on uk.rec.natural-history. Largely hysterical here, more 'yeah, so what" on uk.rec.natural-history. Actually, it's about equally balanced here - it's just that the hysterics are, er, more hysterical. There is ample room for lynx anywhere there is a large muntjac or roe population, or possibly even rabbit!, and Lincolnshire is very definitely among those places. The smaller deer are a serious ecological problem almost everywhere. They will have spread even further by now, but were reaching densities of over 100 per square kilometre, and there is almost no rural or woody suburban area without large a large population of either roe or muntjac, which is causing havoc to our woodland plants. http://www.bds.org.uk/muntjac.html http://www.bds.org.uk/deer_distribution.html http://www.mammal.org.uk/muntjac http://www.bto.org/volunteer-surveys...mal-monitoring But I don't expect mere facts to have any effect on the hysterics. I must protest! Opinions were expressed for and against the introduction of lynx, some strongly felt on both sides. Neither was any more hysterical than the other, just different. To claim one side was hysterical is reducing the argument to one of 'ad hominem', which is second-rate and always best avoided. -- I don't think I was hysterical. I merely think introducing lynx is a bad idea. If deer are a problem, introducing big cats back here is not the answer. When I said there is no room for them I didn't mean that physically, of course there is plenty of land available, I meant that that is very unlikely that they would be acceptable to most people in the UK. |
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Lynx reintroduction
"Malcolm Ogilvie" wrote in message ... On Thu, 14 May 2015 08:59:08 +0100 (BST), (Nick Maclaren) wrote: In article , Christina Websell wrote: There not room for lynxes (or wolves) to be reintroduced here and I just wish people would stop banging on about it. Yes once upon a time we had them, in the 17th century. i have enough nuisance with foxes without lynxes or wolves being reintroduced. You are factually wrong as regard lynx. There is ample room; whether there is for wolves is more debatable, but the answer is "yes, with reservations." Also, your implications are nonsense. Even the wildest of foxes are naturally scavengers, and do not avoid humans; neither lynx nor wolves are, and both do. Furthermore, there are plenty of places where lynx come into contact with human habitation, and there is essentially no problem. So far, I have never seen anyone argue rationally against lynx; every single one has used purely emotional fury. I could provide some (weak and dubious) rational arguments against, but opponents don't seem capable of even that. Well said, Nick! Tina, as usual one might say, puts emotion way ahead of facts,. !! the very idea of reintroducing lynxes here is crazy. If there is a deer problem why cannot they be shot to reduce their numbers? I do like venison. |