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"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...
Jim Webster wrote or quoted:



As for the idea of tracing causal chains back to their roots, if you
do that then you might well wind up imprisoning the murderer's mother :-(

: Who was it who said that freedom of speech did not entitle you to shout
: "fire" in a crowded theatre

Many people - but "freedom of speech" fairly clearly involves just that.

you seem to be a member of a very small minority in holding that opinion


Fortunately, that particular action is not against the law anywhere -
AFAIK. You might get chucked out of the theatre, though ;-)

behaviour liable to cause a breach of the peace, causing an affray,
manslaughter, plus several different H&SE regulations, the breaking thereof
could still land you in jail

Jim Webster

While these "moral philosophy" topics are no doubt stimulating to
some, I'm painfully aware that they are not remotely on topic in
the groups where they are occurring.

If they don't burn themselves out soon, I expect I'll walk away
from them.

We got here by considering the environmental impact of importing
fruit. Could we go back in that general direction - or else wind
things up?
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In uk.rec.gardening Michael Saunby wrote:
: "Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...
: In uk.rec.gardening Michael Saunby wrote:

: : But your thinking, that it is only the person who does the final (or
: : initial in the case of farming) act is the only one to blame silly.
:
: I'm not sure that's a sentence.
:
: Anyway, contrary to what you seem to be saying above, I certainly don't
: think there should be any blame attached to growing and selling crops.

: Even when using pesticides?

Well - /if/ they poison people that's a bit different.

they didn't poison anyone, the pesticide did. Anyway it was all the fault of
the manufacturer.

Jim Webster

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"Oz" wrote in message
...
Jim Webster writes

I suspect circumstances might alter cases. For example if you hire a
professional hitman, then I think blame is more equally shared as if he
hadn't killed your target he would still have killed someone else.

I doubt the number of targets is limited by number of hitmen.

If, on the other hand, you conned some total innocent into doing the act,
then I would suggest you would carry far more of the blame as you suggest

Probably, at least ethically. In a way you would be responsible for the
person killed AND the sentence of someone who without your persuasive
manner, would never have got involved in such things.

So more than the hitman, but by addition.


looks like the three of us are in agreement here.

Jim Webster

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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
...

"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...
In uk.rec.gardening Michael Saunby wrote:
: "Tim Tyler" wrote in message
...
: In uk.rec.gardening Michael Saunby wrote:

: : But your thinking, that it is only the person who does the final
(or
: : initial in the case of farming) act is the only one to blame
silly.
:
: I'm not sure that's a sentence.
:
: Anyway, contrary to what you seem to be saying above, I certainly
don't
: think there should be any blame attached to growing and selling
crops.

: Even when using pesticides?

Well - /if/ they poison people that's a bit different.

they didn't poison anyone, the pesticide did. Anyway it was all the fault
of
the manufacturer.


Hardly, the manufacturer simply made what the researchers had developed -
and you can't blame them either because they allowed a government ministry
to have the final say, and they only did what the minister told them to do,
and he has appointed by the government, who were in turn given power by the
voters. It isn't fair to blame the voters either, since so many people
didn't vote, their not voting almost certainly affected the outcome of the
election. So I blame the lazy shits who didn't vote at recent general
elections - if indeed anyone has been poisoned.

Michael Saunby

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"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...

Whereas to me the only thing that distinguishes it from a gift is
words - and convicting people on the basis of things they have said
seems like a dangerous violation of freedom of speech to me.

Not that I see freedom of speech as a basic right - but I don't
think it should be casually neglected or ignored, either.

Those who *do* harm - as opposed to those who talk or move beans around

Those who *mean* harm, by their words, are definitely culpable, in most
western society. Slander, libel, aiding and abetting.... Where were you
raised (seriously)?

sounds like it could be Hampstead

Jim Webster

M

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"Michael Saunby" wrote in message
...

Hardly, the manufacturer simply made what the researchers had developed -
and you can't blame them either because they allowed a government ministry
to have the final say, and they only did what the minister told them to
do,
and he has appointed by the government, who were in turn given power by
the
voters. It isn't fair to blame the voters either, since so many people
didn't vote, their not voting almost certainly affected the outcome of the
election. So I blame the lazy shits who didn't vote at recent general
elections - if indeed anyone has been poisoned.

I think we should blame the idiots who eat something that is poisonous.
They are the ones who are taking the *action* that actually causes them to
be poisoned ;-) The government, manufacturer, supermarket and everyone
else involved are only guilty of telling the public it's safe, right? The
person who acts on what someone else said is the one at fault, according to
Tim, right????

M

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"Jim Webster" wrote in message
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looks like the three of us are in agreement here.

I make 4.

M

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"Michael Saunby" wrote in message
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Hardly, the manufacturer simply made what the researchers had
developed -
and you can't blame them either because they allowed a government
ministry
to have the final say, and they only did what the minister told them to
do,
and he has appointed by the government, who were in turn given power by
the
voters. It isn't fair to blame the voters either, since so many people
didn't vote, their not voting almost certainly affected the outcome of
the
election. So I blame the lazy shits who didn't vote at recent general
elections - if indeed anyone has been poisoned.

I think we should blame the idiots who eat something that is poisonous.
They are the ones who are taking the *action* that actually causes them to
be poisoned ;-) The government, manufacturer, supermarket and everyone
else involved are only guilty of telling the public it's safe, right? The
person who acts on what someone else said is the one at fault, according
to
Tim, right????


Madame, your summing up of his logical position was, in a gender unspecific
way, masterly

Jim Webster
M

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looks like the three of us are in agreement here.

I make 4.

welcome to planet earth and the accepted legal nicities

god alone knows where tim picked up his knowledge of law and ethics

Jim Webster

M

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Tim Tyler writes

Having a healthy diet simply isn't as stressful as you are making out.

The way you have been putting it, I wouldn;t agree.

For nearly everybody keeping one's weight to 70% of the 'ideal' weight
results in permanent hunger. I've seen the horizon programme where
people had been doing it for a little while (like a few years).

They all showed marked stress, not hard to figure out why.

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In uk.rec.gardening Jim Webster wrote:

: "Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...
: Jim Webster wrote or quoted:
:

:
: As for the idea of tracing causal chains back to their roots, if you
: do that then you might well wind up imprisoning the murderer's mother :-(
:
: : Who was it who said that freedom of speech did not entitle you to shout
: : "fire" in a crowded theatre
:
: Many people - but "freedom of speech" fairly clearly involves just that.

: you seem to be a member of a very small minority in holding that opinion

You have access to a survey on the question?

: Fortunately, that particular action is not against the law anywhere -
: AFAIK. You might get chucked out of the theatre, though ;-)

: behaviour liable to cause a breach of the peace, causing an affray,
: manslaughter, plus several different H&SE regulations, the breaking
: thereof could still land you in jail

Not from shouting in a theatre.

Health and safety regulations might be applied to the theatre's *owner* -
if their establisnment is so unsafe it can't withstand a perfectly
ordinary fire drill.
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"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...

Health and safety regulations might be applied to the theatre's *owner* -
if their establisnment is so unsafe it can't withstand a perfectly
ordinary fire drill.


It is accepted that in a real situation there will be injuries and
possible fatalities, emergency drills do not need to be double blind,
additional safety procedures are normal, and it is usual to have several
individuals who know it is a drill and ensure that panic does not cause
injury.

Shouting 'Fire' in a theater may well result in what would be acceptable
injaries in a real incident, but not in a drill.

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In uk.rec.gardening Jim Webster wrote:




Health and safety regulations might be applied to the theatre's *owner* -
if their establisnment is so unsafe it can't withstand a perfectly
ordinary fire drill.
--

don't be more stupid than you have to be

on the grounds that no one can be as stupid as you appear to be, you have to
be trolling

Jim Webster
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Jim Webster writes

I think we should blame the idiots who eat something that is poisonous.
They are the ones who are taking the *action* that actually causes them to
be poisoned ;-) The government, manufacturer, supermarket and everyone
else involved are only guilty of telling the public it's safe, right? The
person who acts on what someone else said is the one at fault, according
to
Tim, right????


Madame, your summing up of his logical position was, in a gender unspecific
way, masterly

I agree. Getting to be a force to reckon with, I think.

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god alone knows where tim picked up his knowledge of law and ethics

Knowledge?

I think he is heading for the killfile.

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"Oz" wrote in message
...
Jim Webster writes

Madame, your summing up of his logical position was, in a gender
unspecific
way, masterly

I agree. Getting to be a force to reckon with, I think.

Now, *that's* a compliment!

M
walks away, with head held high ;-)

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"Oz" wrote in message
...
Tim Tyler writes

Having a healthy diet simply isn't as stressful as you are making out.

The way you have been putting it, I wouldn;t agree.

For nearly everybody keeping one's weight to 70% of the 'ideal' weight
results in permanent hunger. I've seen the horizon programme where
people had been doing it for a little while (like a few years).

They all showed marked stress, not hard to figure out why.


Rather as vegetarians often make the (honest) claim that a meat free diet
improves athletic performance. Of course it does, it does the same for
almost all carnivores, because when they haven't eaten meat for a while
catching prey can be a matter of life of death. It doesn't mean that it's
actually good for your body to feel it's on the verge of pursuing and
killing something all the time - particularly if it never happens.

Michael Saunby

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BAC wrote:


We all think we know best, but governments have to take all of our views
into consideration.


'Have to'? Only when it suits them!

Let's say that they do have people with conflicting views to consider.

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Michelle Fulton writes
"Oz" wrote in message
...
Jim Webster writes

Madame, your summing up of his logical position was, in a gender
unspecific
way, masterly

I agree. Getting to be a force to reckon with, I think.

Now, *that's* a compliment!

walks away, with head held high ;-)

Justly deserved, too.

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Jim Webster writes

Madame, your summing up of his logical position was, in a gender
unspecific
way, masterly

I agree. Getting to be a force to reckon with, I think.

Now, *that's* a compliment!

M
walks away, with head held high ;-)



bangs bridge of nose on low door



:-))
Jim Webster

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bangs bridge of nose on low door

LOL :-)) Pride comes before the fall, doesn't it? Fortunately, I'm pretty
short, so I don't have to worry about the doors ;-)

M

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bangs bridge of nose on low door

LOL :-)) Pride comes before the fall, doesn't it? Fortunately, I'm
pretty
short, so I don't have to worry about the doors ;-)

depends on the height of the doors:~))
I would hazard a guess that both Jim and we share some similarly lowly doors
that certainly would not pass any building warrant these days
both having houses of similar build and ages - v. thick stone walls and a
long time ago
??
We have always said that this house was built for us - both being under 5'6"
anyone taller hits their head at least once a day

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"Michelle Fulton" wrote in message
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bangs bridge of nose on low door

LOL :-)) Pride comes before the fall, doesn't it? Fortunately, I'm
pretty
short, so I don't have to worry about the doors ;-)

depends on the height of the doors:~))
I would hazard a guess that both Jim and we share some similarly lowly
doors
that certainly would not pass any building warrant these days
both having houses of similar build and ages - v. thick stone walls and a
long time ago
??

yes, we have very few ceilings with more than 6'6" clearance on the beams
and one door is no more than 5' high

walls are thick enough to set kitchen unit into

Jim Webster

We have always said that this house was built for us - both being under
5'6"
anyone taller hits their head at least once a day

--
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"Jill" wrote in message
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"Michelle Fulton" wrote in message
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bangs bridge of nose on low door

LOL :-)) Pride comes before the fall, doesn't it? Fortunately, I'm
pretty
short, so I don't have to worry about the doors ;-)

depends on the height of the doors:~))
I would hazard a guess that both Jim and we share some similarly lowly
doors
that certainly would not pass any building warrant these days
both having houses of similar build and ages - v. thick stone walls and a
long time ago
??
We have always said that this house was built for us - both being under
5'6"
anyone taller hits their head at least once a day


My lowest doorway - into the best room - is 5'7". I'm led to believe that
such doorways were sometimes used to force people to stop before entering
since it's hard to barge in. Similar to many traditional buildings in all
parts of the world, and other customs such as removing shoes. Yet another
of those areas where being civilised and government regulations are in
conflict.

Fortunately listed buildings are now allowed to use non standard door
heights even for new doorways. So at least it's possible for the remaining
civilised buildings to remain so.

Michael Saunby

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On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:22:05 +0100, "Michael Saunby"
wrote:


"Jill" wrote in message
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"Michelle Fulton" wrote in message
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bangs bridge of nose on low door

LOL :-)) Pride comes before the fall, doesn't it? Fortunately, I'm
pretty
short, so I don't have to worry about the doors ;-)

depends on the height of the doors:~))
I would hazard a guess that both Jim and we share some similarly lowly
doors
that certainly would not pass any building warrant these days
both having houses of similar build and ages - v. thick stone walls and a
long time ago
??
We have always said that this house was built for us - both being under
5'6"
anyone taller hits their head at least once a day


My lowest doorway - into the best room - is 5'7". I'm led to believe that
such doorways were sometimes used to force people to stop before entering
since it's hard to barge in. Similar to many traditional buildings in all
parts of the world, and other customs such as removing shoes. Yet another
of those areas where being civilised and government regulations are in
conflict.

Fortunately listed buildings are now allowed to use non standard door
heights even for new doorways. So at least it's possible for the remaining
civilised buildings to remain so.

That height would be no restriction to a hunchback or a poison dwarf
michael, so you're OK. Might stop me jack booting my way in, hhhmmmmm
might need to design a horizontal approach then.... I think I have
some old pram wheels and a little mdf about..
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well thought out, civil debate?

I understand.

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"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...
In uk.rec.gardening Oz wrote:
: Tim Tyler writes
:Jim Webster wrote or quoted:
snip

: Paying someone else to kill a third party sounds like an action to be
: held responsible for to me.

Whereas to me the only thing that distinguishes it from a gift is
words - and convicting people on the basis of things they have said
seems like a dangerous violation of freedom of speech to me.


So, in your view, was King Henry innocent in respect of Becket's murder? He
didn't physically do the deed, but he incited his henchmen to do it.

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...

"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...
In uk.rec.gardening Michael Saunby wrote:
: "Tim Tyler" wrote in message
...
: In uk.rec.gardening Michael Saunby wrote:

: : But your thinking, that it is only the person who does the final
(or
: : initial in the case of farming) act is the only one to blame silly.
:
: I'm not sure that's a sentence.
:
: Anyway, contrary to what you seem to be saying above, I certainly
don't
: think there should be any blame attached to growing and selling
crops.

: Even when using pesticides?

Well - /if/ they poison people that's a bit different.

they didn't poison anyone, the pesticide did. Anyway it was all the fault
of
the manufacturer.


Surely, the poison was self administered?

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"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...
In uk.rec.gardening Michael Saunby wrote:
: "Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...
: Jim Webster wrote or quoted:

: : Who was it who said that freedom of speech did not entitle you to
shout
: : "fire" in a crowded theatre
:
: Many people - but "freedom of speech" fairly clearly involves just
that.
:
: Fortunately, that particular action is not against the law anywhere -
: AFAIK. You might get chucked out of the theatre, though ;-)

: Oh yes it is a crime.

?

: It's very unusual for an individual to be able to harm people and not
: be found guilty of something. I'm pretty sure anyone doing so would be
: held responsible for all deaths, injuries, damage to property, etc.

What deaths and injuries? Shout "fire" in a crowded theatre and
the most likely result is a few people "shussh"ing you.


However, if a panic ensued, and people were killed or injured as a
consequence of your action?

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Lying is - for the most part - permitted and tolerated by the legal
system -

Interesting viewpoint. Have you some examples of situations where lying is
knowingly permitted and tolerated by the Courts?

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Hardly, the manufacturer simply made what the researchers had
developed -
and you can't blame them either because they allowed a government
ministry
to have the final say, and they only did what the minister told them to
do,
and he has appointed by the government, who were in turn given power by
the
voters. It isn't fair to blame the voters either, since so many people
didn't vote, their not voting almost certainly affected the outcome of
the
election. So I blame the lazy shits who didn't vote at recent general
elections - if indeed anyone has been poisoned.

I think we should blame the idiots who eat something that is poisonous.
They are the ones who are taking the *action* that actually causes them to
be poisoned ;-) The government, manufacturer, supermarket and everyone
else involved are only guilty of telling the public it's safe, right? The
person who acts on what someone else said is the one at fault, according
to
Tim, right????


Possibly, if they know it is poisonous prior to eating it. I don't think
Michael is right to blame voter apathy for shortcomings in Govt. policy,
either, since there is nothing to suggest the political parties' policies
would have been any different had there been 100% voter turnout.

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"Jim Webster" wrote:

"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...
In uk.rec.gardening BAC wrote:
: "Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...

: A can only cause B to do something directly if he eliminates B's
: freedom of action - e.g. by drugging or hypnotizing him - otherwise
: B's actions are the result of B's choices.

: So who was responsible for the killing of Charles 1, Cromwell and the
: co-signatories of the death warrant, or the executioner who did the
: deed (history seems to blame Cromwell)?

I don't know. Did the executioner act freely?

Generally speaking I would blame whoever *commits* the act of violence -
rather than anyone who told them to do it - or paid them to do it.

you attitude is at odds with English law

Not just English law, virtually every legal system will prosecute anyone
who incites or pays others to commit acts of murder as if they too had
committed the act - even international law. Isn't that what the
Nuremburg Trials established - that the leaders ordering the killings
were as guilty as those who committed the acts?

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In article , Tim Tyler wrote:

In uk.rec.gardening Jim Webster wrote:


: behaviour liable to cause a breach of the peace, causing an affray,
: manslaughter, plus several different H&SE regulations, the breaking
: thereof could still land you in jail

Not from shouting in a theatre.

Try shouting 'Bomb!" in a theatre in Belfast and see how far your
'Freedom of Speech' gets you.

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"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...
In uk.rec.gardening Oz wrote:
: Tim Tyler writes
:Jim Webster wrote or quoted:
snip

: Paying someone else to kill a third party sounds like an action to be
: held responsible for to me.

Whereas to me the only thing that distinguishes it from a gift is
words - and convicting people on the basis of things they have said
seems like a dangerous violation of freedom of speech to me.


So, in your view, was King Henry innocent in respect of Becket's murder?
He
didn't physically do the deed, but he incited his henchmen to do it.

wasn't his fault, he was from a dysfunctional family

Jim Webster

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: "Tim Tyler" wrote in message
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snip

Lying is - for the most part - permitted and tolerated by the legal
system -

Interesting viewpoint. Have you some examples of situations where lying is
knowingly permitted and tolerated by the Courts?

other than party political manefestos obviously

Jim Webster

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"Tim Tyler" wrote in message ...
In uk.rec.gardening Michael Saunby wrote:
: "Tim Tyler" wrote in message
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: In uk.rec.gardening Michael Saunby wrote:

: : But your thinking, that it is only the person who does the final
(or
: : initial in the case of farming) act is the only one to blame
silly.
:
: I'm not sure that's a sentence.
:
: Anyway, contrary to what you seem to be saying above, I certainly
don't
: think there should be any blame attached to growing and selling
crops.

: Even when using pesticides?

Well - /if/ they poison people that's a bit different.

they didn't poison anyone, the pesticide did. Anyway it was all the
fault
of
the manufacturer.


Surely, the poison was self administered?

yes, but we have to leave them someone to sue, everyone has a right to be a
victim of something other than their own ostentaious stupidity

Jim Webster

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"T N Nurse" wrote in message
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In article , Tim Tyler wrote:

In uk.rec.gardening Jim Webster wrote:


: behaviour liable to cause a breach of the peace, causing an affray,
: manslaughter, plus several different H&SE regulations, the breaking
: thereof could still land you in jail

Not from shouting in a theatre.

Try shouting 'Bomb!" in a theatre in Belfast and see how far your
'Freedom of Speech' gets you.

not very far with no knees :-((

Jim Webster

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:Jim Webster wrote or quoted:
snip

: Paying someone else to kill a third party sounds like an action to
be
: held responsible for to me.

Whereas to me the only thing that distinguishes it from a gift is
words - and convicting people on the basis of things they have said
seems like a dangerous violation of freedom of speech to me.


So, in your view, was King Henry innocent in respect of Becket's murder?
He
didn't physically do the deed, but he incited his henchmen to do it.

wasn't his fault, he was from a dysfunctional family


LOL! That sums up Norman-English mediaeval monarchy rather nicely, IMO.

The dangers of weed killers - Glyphostae aka Roundup, the hidden killer.
 

On Mon, 02 Jun 2003 10:12:35 +0100, T N Nurse
wrote:

In article , Tim Tyler wrote:

In uk.rec.gardening Jim Webster wrote:


: behaviour liable to cause a breach of the peace, causing an affray,
: manslaughter, plus several different H&SE regulations, the breaking
: thereof could still land you in jail

Not from shouting in a theatre.

Try shouting 'Bomb!" in a theatre in Belfast and see how far your
'Freedom of Speech' gets you.

Probably ignored and/or told "Shut up!".

--
Peter Duncanson
6 miles south of Belfast