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(Jim Ley) writes:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:04:55 +0100, "Tim Ward"
wrote:


I'm trying to work out why someone should invent "UKP" in preference to
using the ISO standard "GBP".

Because the ISO are looking to charge for use of such codes, and it's
not worth the risking the licensing costs?

Yeah. Right. Buy better drugs.


--
"The road to Paradise is through Intercourse."
The uk.transport FAQ; http://www.huge.org.uk/transport/FAQ.html
[email me at huge [at] huge [dot] org [dot] uk]

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snip
My cousin has a two of those seagoing containers in his garden to
house his collection of antique motorcycles and the workshop that
goes with them.

But they look awfull, unless you put a wood frame around and clad it.
Which may be feasible.


---

Hi

As has been mentioned planning permission would more than likely be
required,
I'd be wary though, if you stride into the planning office asking for
permission to build an office in the back garden then the answer will
probably be no. A garden room, studio or the like would probably be better
received. Try talking to a planning officer about their policy in this area
in general without giving away any details.

Also what is your location, rural or urban?

With the planning issues in mind, lorry containers would probably require
some window
dressing to make then acceptable. The prefab timber buildings are pretty
good these days as are the Border Oak http://www.borderoak.com/Garages.htm
type timber framed buildings, I guess it's down to aesthetics and your
budget
at the end of the day.

If you want some more info on highly insulated timber panel structures you
could try contacting a guy called John Hayden, I worked with him a few years
ago and he's branched out into constructing small garden rooms, he only
works in the old Avon county area, so is probably not in your area. He might
be able to offer some advice though. his mail is -

haydengardenrooms - you know what goes here - btopenworld.com

You could also try posting in alt.architecture but I warn you things can
lean towards the insane in there at times :-)

HTH

Tim

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On 28 Sep 2003 17:42:49 GMT, (Huge) wrote:

(Jim Ley) writes:
On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 12:04:55 +0100, "Tim Ward"
wrote:


I'm trying to work out why someone should invent "UKP" in preference to
using the ISO standard "GBP".

Because the ISO are looking to charge for use of such codes, and it's
not worth the risking the licensing costs?

Yeah. Right. Buy better drugs.

Erm, you have seen

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/...003JulSep/0213

etc. and the original announcements, the ISO are considering licence
fees for ISO 4217.

Jim.

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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
t...

If you don't have the time, try advertising for a pensioner to do it
for you!

You think pensioners have time to spare???????

You wait!

Don't have to wait - I ama a pensioner. I have little spare time because I
love to do projects for my nighbours - without fee of course!

If I were to be paid I would probably ask for payment in UKP - not a
standard I invented but one, which, in the days when I worked for a living
(long before the days of ISO standards), was the standard used when
communicating with the USA (who were more used to USD)

I'm neither sad nor thick - I used to write programs in a range of crude and
difficult languages like Fortran and Cobol in the days when computers had
green screens....

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x2 bugger :-(

still you can laugh at my non spellchecked one now

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"Tim Denning" timdenning@spam this you **** blueyonder.co.uk wrote in
message ...
snip
My cousin has a two of those seagoing containers in his garden to
house his collection of antique motorcycles and the workshop that
goes with them.

But they look awfull, unless you put a wood frame around and clad it.
Which may be feasible.

As has been mentioned planning permision would more than likely be
required,
I'd be wary though, if you stride into the planning office asking for
permission to build an office in the back garden then the answer will
probably be no. A garden room, studio or the like would probably be better
recieved.

Might depend where you live. If you were to claim that the garden office
would take one car-borne commuter off the roads, as you would then be able
to work at home, that would score *lots* of brownie points in some
locations.

--
Tim Ward - posting as an individual unless otherwise clear
Brett Ward Ltd - www.brettward.co.uk
Cambridge Accommodation Notice Board - www.brettward.co.uk/canb
Cambridge City Councillor

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"Sad Sid" . wrote in message
...

If I were to be paid I would probably ask for payment in UKP - not a
standard I invented but one, which, in the days when I worked for a living
(long before the days of ISO standards), was the standard used when
communicating with the USA (who were more used to USD)

You might be remembering "UKL" which is what the banks used before "GBP".

--
Tim Ward - posting as an individual unless otherwise clear
Brett Ward Ltd - www.brettward.co.uk
Cambridge Accommodation Notice Board - www.brettward.co.uk/canb
Cambridge City Councillor

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William.R.Reisen wrote:

I am thinking about getting a garden office

http://www.c-pod.com/cpod/main_page.htm

--
Ben Blaney
Must try harder

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You think pensioners have time to spare???????

You wait!

Don't have to wait - I ama a pensioner. I have little spare time because I
love to do projects for my nighbours - without fee of course!

What about your own projects which have been hanging fire for years - to say
nothing of the new ones you've just thought about?


I'm neither sad nor thick -

I wouldn't have dreamed of suggesting that!

in the days when computers had
green screens....

I remember them well. We still have one in fact ...

Mary

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"Tim Denning" timdenning@spam this you ****
blueyonder.co.uk wrote in message
...

As has been mentioned planning permission would more than
likely be
required,

I don't believe planning permission is required for a garden
shed or a summer house. It is surprising the uses there are
for a good summer house.

--
Old Codger
e-mail use reply to field

What matters in politics is not what happens, but what you
can make people believe has happened. [Janet Daley
27/8/2003]

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So, despite the existence of "GBP" which has unambiguous meaning worldwide
on any documents written in any language, someone goes and invents "UKP",
which on the day they invented it meant nothing to anybody other than
themselves. Why??

Because they can.
Because they want to.

I have done it. So what ? Not everyone is au-fait or cares about ISO
codes anyhow, including some of the banks judging by the state of
their FX software.
Dave

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The message
from "Tim Ward" contains these words:

But someone must have invented it for some reason.

UKP and USD have been around for donkeys years in usenet and email.

I thought the reason was

A) to distinguish UKP from USD, for systems which cobble up £ and $ signs,
B) for readers who don't notice the difference between £ and $
C) to distinguish UK pounds and US dollars from pund and dollar
currencies elsewhere.

Janet

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The message
from "Tim Ward" contains these words:

But someone must have invented it for some reason.

UKP and USD have been around for donkeys years in usenet and email.

I thought the reason was

A) to distinguish UKP from USD, for systems which cobble up £ and $ signs,
B) for readers who don't notice the difference between £ and $
C) to distinguish UK pounds and US dollars from pund and dollar
currencies elsewhere.

Janet

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"Tim Ward" wrote in message ...
"Stephen Kellett" wrote in message
...

Good grief Tim, you are over-analysing way too much. I've seen UKP used
before, it hasn't been invented to make a political stand.

But someone must have invented it for some reason.

It makes no sense to go round inventing currency codes when there are
already perfectly good standard ones - write an invented private one of your
own on a bank document, for example, and it won't work. I guess people do
rather less of this in everyday life now that cash cards have replaced
Eurocheques, so not everybody carries the leaflet with the codes in their
wallet any more, but the things are still in common enough usage that one
can be expected to know the code for one's own currency!

So, despite the existence of "GBP" which has unambiguous meaning worldwide
on any documents written in any language, someone goes and invents "UKP",
which on the day they invented it meant nothing to anybody other than
themselves. Why??


Because its the first thing someone thought of when they wrote it.
Doesnt matter to me if its GBP, UKP, LSD or £. No, not that LSD.

Regards, NT

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"Tim Ward" wrote in message ...
"Stephen Kellett" wrote in message
...

Good grief Tim, you are over-analysing way too much. I've seen UKP used
before, it hasn't been invented to make a political stand.

But someone must have invented it for some reason.

It makes no sense to go round inventing currency codes when there are
already perfectly good standard ones - write an invented private one of your
own on a bank document, for example, and it won't work. I guess people do
rather less of this in everyday life now that cash cards have replaced
Eurocheques, so not everybody carries the leaflet with the codes in their
wallet any more, but the things are still in common enough usage that one
can be expected to know the code for one's own currency!

So, despite the existence of "GBP" which has unambiguous meaning worldwide
on any documents written in any language, someone goes and invents "UKP",
which on the day they invented it meant nothing to anybody other than
themselves. Why??


Because its the first thing someone thought of when they wrote it.
Doesnt matter to me if its GBP, UKP, LSD or £. No, not that LSD.

Regards, NT

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In uk.d-i-y Huge wrote:

Because the ISO are looking to charge for use of such codes, and it's
not worth the risking the licensing costs?

Yeah. Right. Buy better drugs.

Bizarre though it sounds, the relevant sub-vomittee (a typo, but too
appropriate to correct) of ISO *has* made an ill-judged and (hopefully)
ill-phrased pronouncement about collecting "database publishing charges"
on the *use* of (maybe only complete and up-to-date collections of?)
two-letter country codes. Yes, like in geographical top-level domains.
Yes, like in MIME tags for languages on web pages.

Clue-by-fours are being vigorously administered by the W3C, ICANN, and
other bodies representing (some aspects of) the interests of Net users.
There's probably a suitably incredulous article by John Leyden at
theregister.co.uk by now...

Just remember - in international standardisation bodies as in party
politics, just because an idea is patently loony on its face doesn't
mean it won't get proposed in all apparent seriousness...

Stefek, driftin' along, aiming as always to both entertain and inform ;-)

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OK, this tells us what the market is currently like. One of the longest threads
we've had for some time, and it's about *sheds* :-)

J

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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
t...
What about your own projects which have been hanging fire for years - to
say
nothing of the new ones you've just thought about?
I've just finished digging 900ft of ditch, laying drainage pipes, an
alkathene water pipe with five stand points, and installing an armoured
garden ring-main with IP65 sockets.
I am currently building a 20ft by 20ft fruit cage, containing raised beds
for three varieties of strawberry, blackcurrent, redcurrents, a single
tayberry and three rows of raspberries.
When it rains I am building a computer for my prospective son-in-law and
editing 28 hours of digital video taken when my wife and I spent three weeks
living with hill-tribe villagers in Thailand.

I don't watch much telly - and I sleep extremely soundly!

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"Old Codger" wrote in message
...
I don't believe planning permission is required for a garden
shed or a summer house. It is surprising the uses there are
for a good summer house.
Unless you live in a conservation area planning permission is not necessary
for "utility" buildings which are not habitable. They must be separate from
the house, built entirely within your own ground and meet maximum height
limits. (Hence the recent fury over a man who built a games room and
gymnasium that was larger than his house. Planning officials could do
nothing.)

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"Jim Lawton" wrote in message
...
OK, this tells us what the market is currently like. One of the longest
threads
we've had for some time, and it's about *sheds* :-)

No, it's mostly off-topic hysteria about something trivial ];o)

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"Jim Lawton" wrote in message
...
OK, this tells us what the market is currently like. One of the
longest threads
we've had for some time, and it's about *sheds* :-)

J

A crossposting to uk.rec.sheds might be fun :~))

Jenny

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"William.R.Reisen" wrote in message
om...
Hi,

I am thinking about getting a garden office. I would be using this
building all year round working in it most days so needs to be well
insulated so the cold doesn't get at me and also needs to not get too
hot in the summertime. Also there would be about 6k of computer
equipment in there so needs to be as secure as possible. Because most
of my work is done on computers I don't want huge swathes of glass
windows and doors as I find too much light getting in stops me from
seeing the screen clearly due to reflections. I'm thinking of one with
approximate dimensions 3.5mx3.5m. Any suggestions for a vendor that
fits in well with these criterior. Also I'm not against putting it
together myself.

Thanks.

THe two option I'm consdiering are a conservatory or a "tay" log cabin.

The log cabin is cheaper, though a bit more fiddly as it won't be connected
to the house (from http://www.dhleisureandgarden.com), but both require
planning permission (in my case). You want to make sure that you have
proper business permission if your business pays for it, rather than rents
space in it from you (and make sure something domestic is in it to show it
is part of the private dwelling. And soon as you show up on councils radars
as running a business from home, beware....

I'm going to attached mine all up to my existing house alarm system and add
some cameras. As it will be at the back, the dog (and all the neighbours
dogs) will add protection too.

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Sad Sid .? writes
"Old Codger" wrote in message
...
I don't believe planning permission is required for a garden
shed or a summer house. It is surprising the uses there are
for a good summer house.
Unless you live in a conservation area planning permission is not necessary
for "utility" buildings which are not habitable. They must be separate from
the house, built entirely within your own ground and meet maximum height
limits. (Hence the recent fury over a man who built a games room and
gymnasium that was larger than his house. Planning officials could do
nothing.)

And if you did ask for planning permission, isn't there a risk that the
local authority might try to ask for business rates?
--
Simon Elliott
http://www.ctsn.co.uk/

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Sad Sid .? writes
"Old Codger" wrote in message
...
I don't believe planning permission is required for a garden
shed or a summer house. It is surprising the uses there are
for a good summer house.
Unless you live in a conservation area planning permission is not necessary
for "utility" buildings which are not habitable. They must be separate from
the house, built entirely within your own ground and meet maximum height
limits. (Hence the recent fury over a man who built a games room and
gymnasium that was larger than his house. Planning officials could do
nothing.)

And if you did ask for planning permission, isn't there a risk that the
local authority might try to ask for business rates?
--
Simon Elliott
http://www.ctsn.co.uk/

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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:42:02 +0000 (UTC), "Will Trash-Spam"
wrote:



And soon as you show up on councils radars
as running a business from home, beware....


What experiences have you had then? Change of use or what?

J

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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 07:49:00 +0100, "Sad Sid" . wrote:


"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
et...
What about your own projects which have been hanging fire for years - to
say
nothing of the new ones you've just thought about?
I've just finished digging 900ft of ditch, laying drainage pipes, an
alkathene water pipe with five stand points, and installing an armoured
garden ring-main with IP65 sockets.
I am currently building a 20ft by 20ft fruit cage, containing raised beds
for three varieties of strawberry, blackcurrent, redcurrents, a single
tayberry and three rows of raspberries.
When it rains I am building a computer for my prospective son-in-law and
editing 28 hours of digital video taken when my wife and I spent three weeks
living with hill-tribe villagers in Thailand.

I don't watch much telly - and I sleep extremely soundly!



but why are you sad, Sid?

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"Jim Lawton" wrote in message
...
but why are you sad, Sid?

Withdrawal symptoms having moved 200 miles from where I spent much of my
life.
When you are working you meet many people to share your achievements and
failures with.
When you are retired you do something and then feel slightly irked that
there is no-one to pat you on the back, make sarcastic comments or tell you
how much better you could have done it....

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On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:27:39 +0100, "Sad Sid" . wrote:


"Jim Lawton" wrote in message
...
but why are you sad, Sid?

Withdrawal symptoms having moved 200 miles from where I spent much of my
life.
When you are working you meet many people to share your achievements and
failures with.
When you are retired you do something and then feel slightly irked that
there is no-one to pat you on the back, make sarcastic comments or tell you
how much better you could have done it....

Call that a response? I was looking for something much more specific. Good
grief, if you can't do retirement better than that, I'm afraid you're going to
have to get back to work at once.


Any good?

Jim

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Tim Ward wrote:

So, despite the existence of "GBP" which has unambiguous meaning worldwide
on any documents written in any language, someone goes and invents "UKP",
which on the day they invented it meant nothing to anybody other than
themselves. Why??

Must admit to seeing UKP used far more often than GBP myself....

Not something I can get that excited over though!

--
Cheers,

John.

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"David Hill" wrote in message
...

Of course, I side with you against the previous poster's condescending
remark, but...

Pity they don't strip sarcastic characters,

....if they did, your paragraph would have disappeared, and...

especially those that cant even
spell but rely totally on spell checker........."some sill simply" Must
be
nice to be so intelligent.

....classing simple typing errors as spelling mistakes is a bit over the top,
especially as you dropped an apostrophe in "can't".


And for your information to be a modern "Gardener " you have to be a
builder, a plumber, a gas fitter, a chemist, a botanist, an entomologist
and
be willing to work up to 15 hours a day in season and 7 days a week.


I'm the novice gardener in our house (I found this post in uk.consultants)
and I am genuinely in awe of my partner's knowledge of plants and "green
fingers". Let's just hope that gardening doesn't become the "new plumbing",
with thousands of disillusioned unemployed taking a six week course and
foisting themselves, unprepared, upon the public!

Peter.

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In message , Peter Bushell
I'm the novice gardener in our house (I found this post in uk.consultants)
and I am genuinely in awe of my partner's knowledge of plants and "green
fingers". Let's just hope that gardening doesn't become the "new plumbing",
with thousands of disillusioned unemployed taking a six week course and
foisting themselves, unprepared, upon the public!

Easy test to spot the fakes - real plant people don't use the common
names. Latin names all the time, unless you ask them what they are
talking about. My girlfriend is garden designer, I have no idea what she
is talking about half the time - bit like her comments about me and
comfusers (thats "computer" to you)..
--
Stephen Kellett
Object Media Limited http://www.objmedia.demon.co.uk
RSI Information: http://www.objmedia.demon.co.uk/rsi.html

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".............. Let's just hope that gardening doesn't become the "new
plumbing", with thousands of disillusioned unemployed taking a six week
course and foisting themselves, unprepared, upon the public........."

I don't know, with the prices they charge........ just think a 2 hour
gardening job and a bill for a couple of hundred pounds sterling,
I was quoted one hundred and twenty pounds just to have a 12 ft length of
pipe joined into my gas pipe(From bulk tank, so supply was turned off to
work) and to have a tap at the end of it..
The pipe was in an awkward position and with osteoarthritus in both knees I
thought I would have it done. Did the job myself with pipe I already have
and just had to buy connection and tap, total cost under a tenner and the
job took less than 15 mins.
There is no way I would work for 10 hours to pay someone that rate for 15
mins work.
--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

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"........real plant people don't use the common
names. Latin names all the time, unless you ask them what they are talking
about. ....."

It's called baffling them with "Bull Shit"
--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

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Xref: kermit uk.consultants:36229 uk.d-i-y:257881 uk.rec.gardening:167738


"David Hill" wrote in message
...
"........real plant people don't use the common
names. Latin names all the time, unless you ask them what they are talking
about. ....."

It's called baffling them with "Bull Shit"

True - a little bullshit goes a long way :-)

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"Sad Sid" wrote
| I've just finished digging 900ft of ditch, laying drainage pipes, an
| alkathene water pipe with five stand points, and installing an armoured
| garden ring-main with IP65 sockets.

You must live in an awfully rough area, to have to have an armoured garden.

Owain

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In message , David Hill
writes
"........real plant people don't use the common
names. Latin names all the time, unless you ask them what they are talking
about. ....."

It's called baffling them with "Bull Shit"

:-) From what I can tell its a sensibly designed naming system. I hope
that was a joke considering the name of your business.

David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

--
Stephen Kellett
Object Media Limited http://www.objmedia.demon.co.uk
RSI Information: http://www.objmedia.demon.co.uk/rsi.html

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"................From what I can tell its a sensibly designed naming system.
I hope that was a joke considering the name of your business.........."

Well a Dahlia is a Dahlia, just a few thousand different varieties world
wide.

You have to use some common sense, Thyme not Thymus, Jasmine not Jasminum,
Chrysanthemum has kept its name if you are referring to spray, bloom or pot
types.
Also you would be more likely to talk about carnations, or garden pinks or
rockery pinks rather than just Dianthus,
You just have to use common sense.
Often the botanic name is used to avoid confusion, such as with Campanula
isophylia alba instead of "Star of Bethlehem" which could also be
Ornithogalum umbellatum or Angraeceum sesquipedale or a lot of native wild
flowers.
And so on and so forth...
--
David Hill
Abacus nurseries
www.abacus-nurseries.co.uk

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The message
from "Sad Sid" . contains these words:


"Jim Lawton" wrote in message
...
but why are you sad, Sid?

Withdrawal symptoms having moved 200 miles from where I spent much of my
life.
When you are working you meet many people to share your achievements and
failures with.
When you are retired you do something and then feel slightly irked that
there is no-one to pat you on the back, make sarcastic comments or tell you
how much better you could have done it....

Don't worry, Sid. Urg can fill that particular gap in spades :-)

Janet.

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The message
from "Owain" contains these words:

"Sad Sid" wrote
| I've just finished digging 900ft of ditch, laying drainage pipes, an
| alkathene water pipe with five stand points, and installing an armoured
| garden ring-main with IP65 sockets.

You must live in an awfully rough area, to have to have an armoured garden.

Its the times we live in; lots of posters seem to want armoured
gardens these days. How about intalling a tank in the greenhouse and a
gunnera at the gate?

Janet.