In article ,
(Jaques d'Altrades) wrote:

Store in a cool place in dry sand or peat over the winter, all in a
plastic sack or bucket. Don't let them freeze.

Interesting but my runners are not very healthy. I *think* it's
manganese deficiency. The older leaves get mottled between the veins. At
some stages it's quite pretty. at first, I thought it was Magnesium
deficiency and used the MgSO4 spray I fixed the tomatoes with but no
joy.

Apparently, it's a problem with alkaline soil and beans. They can't get
Mn out of such a soil and a foliar spray of Mn is the only way. Anyone
know of a source of Mn for a spray? Or should I acidify the plot?

Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com

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In article ,
(Jaques d'Altrades) wrote:

Store in a cool place in dry sand or peat over the winter, all in a
plastic sack or bucket. Don't let them freeze.

Interesting but my runners are not very healthy. I *think* it's
manganese deficiency. The older leaves get mottled between the veins. At
some stages it's quite pretty. at first, I thought it was Magnesium
deficiency and used the MgSO4 spray I fixed the tomatoes with but no
joy.

Apparently, it's a problem with alkaline soil and beans. They can't get
Mn out of such a soil and a foliar spray of Mn is the only way. Anyone
know of a source of Mn for a spray? Or should I acidify the plot?

I would have thought that an impossibility. There is no acidic counterpart
to lime as far as I know.

Franz

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In article ,
(Jaques d'Altrades) wrote:

Store in a cool place in dry sand or peat over the winter, all in a
plastic sack or bucket. Don't let them freeze.

Interesting but my runners are not very healthy. I *think* it's
manganese deficiency. The older leaves get mottled between the veins. At
some stages it's quite pretty. at first, I thought it was Magnesium
deficiency and used the MgSO4 spray I fixed the tomatoes with but no
joy.

Apparently, it's a problem with alkaline soil and beans. They can't get
Mn out of such a soil and a foliar spray of Mn is the only way. Anyone
know of a source of Mn for a spray? Or should I acidify the plot?

I would have thought that an impossibility. There is no acidic counterpart
to lime as far as I know.

Franz

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from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:

Apparently, it's a problem with alkaline soil and beans. They can't get
Mn out of such a soil and a foliar spray of Mn is the only way. Anyone
know of a source of Mn for a spray? Or should I acidify the plot?

I would have thought that an impossibility. There is no acidic counterpart
to lime as far as I know.

When I was a anklebiter my father grew magnificent beans. He prepared
two trenches and filled them with good things: compost, hoof and horn,
bonemeal, dried blood etc, and grew beans on the same sites for many
years.

The ground there was quite alkaline, but I wouldn't think the trench
fillings were!

Since runner beans have few diseases or pests which attack them
seriously, you can grow them in the same spot until you need to enrich
the soil again.

I can't remember which one, but at least one fertiliser usable as a
foliar feed contains manganese. I used it on raspberries which were
similarly suffering.

I believe Baby Bio does - there may be a grown-up version.

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The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:

Apparently, it's a problem with alkaline soil and beans. They can't get
Mn out of such a soil and a foliar spray of Mn is the only way. Anyone
know of a source of Mn for a spray? Or should I acidify the plot?

I would have thought that an impossibility. There is no acidic counterpart
to lime as far as I know.

When I was a anklebiter my father grew magnificent beans. He prepared
two trenches and filled them with good things: compost, hoof and horn,
bonemeal, dried blood etc, and grew beans on the same sites for many
years.

The ground there was quite alkaline, but I wouldn't think the trench
fillings were!

Since runner beans have few diseases or pests which attack them
seriously, you can grow them in the same spot until you need to enrich
the soil again.

I can't remember which one, but at least one fertiliser usable as a
foliar feed contains manganese. I used it on raspberries which were
similarly suffering.

I believe Baby Bio does - there may be a grown-up version.

--
Rusty Hinge
horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm

In article ,
(Franz Heymann) wrote:

There is no acidic counterpart
to lime as far as I know.

Well there's ericacous compost, peat and sawadust which my blueberries
thrive on. I believe that lots of manure will lower the pH as well.

Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com

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The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these
words:

Apparently, it's a problem with alkaline soil and beans. They can't
get
Mn out of such a soil and a foliar spray of Mn is the only way. Anyone
know of a source of Mn for a spray? Or should I acidify the plot?

I would have thought that an impossibility. There is no acidic
counterpart
to lime as far as I know.

When I was a anklebiter my father grew magnificent beans. He prepared
two trenches and filled them with good things: compost, hoof and horn,
bonemeal, dried blood etc, and grew beans on the same sites for many
years.

The ground there was quite alkaline, but I wouldn't think the trench
fillings were!

Since runner beans have few diseases or pests which attack them
seriously, you can grow them in the same spot until you need to enrich
the soil again.

Yes, I suppose you can make a very localised and temporary pH change like
that, but it would not take long to be neutralised if there is a nearly
infinite supply of limy minerals in the ground

I can't remember which one, but at least one fertiliser usable as a
foliar feed contains manganese. I used it on raspberries which were
similarly suffering.

I believe Baby Bio does - there may be a grown-up version.

Miracle Gro contains manganese. It can be used as a foliar feed or watered
into the soil.

Franz

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In article ,
(Franz Heymann) wrote:

There is no acidic counterpart
to lime as far as I know.

Well there's ericacous compost, peat and sawadust which my blueberries
thrive on. I believe that lots of manure will lower the pH as well.

None of them will work for long if there is a limestone or chalk buffer in
the soil, and treating anything other than a relatively small area will be
prohibitively expensive.

Increasing the pH of a soil is very much easier than decreasing it.

Franz

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Increasing the pH of a soil is very much easier than decreasing it.

Except in a big scrapyard......

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"Jaques d'Altrades" wrote in message
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Increasing the pH of a soil is very much easier than decreasing it.

Except in a big scrapyard......

You know something I don't. What is it in a scrapyard which is acidic.other
than old batteries?

Franz

"Jaques d'Altrades" wrote in message
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Increasing the pH of a soil is very much easier than decreasing it.

Except in a big scrapyard......

You know something I don't. What is it in a scrapyard which is acidic.other
than old batteries?

Franz

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Franz Heymann wrote:
"Jaques d'Altrades" wrote in message
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Increasing the pH of a soil is very much easier than decreasing it.

Except in a big scrapyard......

You know something I don't. What is it in a scrapyard which is acidic.other
than old batteries?

Iron. The issue of "acidity" in soil is not what you would expect
from O-level chemistry.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Jaques d'Altrades" wrote in message
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The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these
words:

Increasing the pH of a soil is very much easier than decreasing it.

Except in a big scrapyard......

You know something I don't. What is it in a scrapyard which is acidic.other
than old batteries?

Franz

"Jaques d'Altrades" wrote in message
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The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these
words:

Increasing the pH of a soil is very much easier than decreasing it.

Except in a big scrapyard......

You know something I don't. What is it in a scrapyard which is acidic.other
than old batteries?

Franz

In article ,
Franz Heymann wrote:
"Jaques d'Altrades" wrote in message
...

Increasing the pH of a soil is very much easier than decreasing it.

Except in a big scrapyard......

You know something I don't. What is it in a scrapyard which is acidic.other
than old batteries?

Iron. The issue of "acidity" in soil is not what you would expect
from O-level chemistry.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.