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Getting rid of ground elder
In article , martin writes On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:48:10 +0100, Malcolm Ogilvie wrote: In article , martin writes On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:05:22 +0100, Malcolm Ogilvie wrote: In article , martin writes On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:23:44 +0100, Kay Easton wrote: In article , martin writes If you google search hard enough and long enough you will find a DEFRA .pdf file AFAIR that explains what action and against whom is to be taken against those growing Giant Hog weed. In the case of private individuals growing it, who refuse to remove it, a civil action may be taken against them by the local authority. That is if they are allowing it to be released into the wild. No! Yes! Please read the Act and the commentary again: Here is the Act: "Section 14(2) It is an offence for a person to plant or otherwise cause to grow in the wild any plant on Schedule 9 (Part 2)" I think the problem is that the plant part was tacked onto an animal act. Releasing into the wild has a clear meaning with animals and a not so clear meaning with plants. Does that mean you agree with me??? that the law is unclear? yes :-) LOL! Well, it's clear to me, and to Kay, but I agree that you've had some problems with it :-) from the site that listed prosecutions under that act, it's clear anybody growing it, isn't likely to be prosecuted, unless as a test case. :-) Surely so, but I hope you accept that someone growing it in their garden won't be prosecuted because they're not breaking any law. Can you give me the links to the whole act and it's various amendments. You gave the links yourself. I think bits of some of them. Just click on 'Contents' at the foot of the page. That's by far the most accessible version with its commentaries. I couldn't find all the amendments. They should be on the Defra PAW site somewhere. Or if you want to read the whole Act, as published, you can find it on: http://www.hmso.gov.uk/ I see we haven't made the top 5 most requested acts ... yet :-) See how many times you can click on it :-) Do many people cultivate hog weed in Uk gardens? If you mean *giant* hogweed, I know at least two, both of whom like it for its grandeur and looks, but are careful (a) not to touch it without gloves and (b) let it escape. Having read all the stuff about the unintentional spread of GM plants, and seen giant hog weed growing along miles of grass verges, how can you be careful not to let it escape? Why does it appear some years and not others? I guess that will depend on whether it is growing as an annual, biennial or perennial, as I gather it may be able to grow as any of those, plus what seed set there was the previous autumn. Perhaps the GM scientists can produce a variety which doesn't cause allergic reactions to human skin :-) -- Malcolm Ogilvie |
Getting rid of ground elder
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:28:29 +0100, Jaques d'Altrades
wrote: The message from Malcolm Ogilvie contains these words: Thus if you take the Act and the Commentary together, they state that the offence is "to plant or otherwise cause to grow *in the wild* any plant on Schedule 9, part 2". It is *not* an offence to have those plants in your garden. You must, though, prevent them escaping into the wild, something which does not apply to any other non-native plant though it does apply to all non-native animals. So, having eaten raw tomatoes you have to be careful where you get taken short? LOL! -- Martin |
Getting rid of ground elder
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:48:16 +0100, Malcolm Ogilvie
wrote: Perhaps the GM scientists can produce a variety which doesn't cause allergic reactions to human skin :-) The Triffid variety? :-) -- Martin |
Getting rid of ground elder
In article , Jaques d'Altrades writes The message from Malcolm Ogilvie contains these words: Thus if you take the Act and the Commentary together, they state that the offence is "to plant or otherwise cause to grow *in the wild* any plant on Schedule 9, part 2". It is *not* an offence to have those plants in your garden. You must, though, prevent them escaping into the wild, something which does not apply to any other non-native plant though it does apply to all non-native animals. So, having eaten raw tomatoes you have to be careful where you get taken short? No, because tomatoes are not listed on Schedule 9, part 2. When I were a lad I used to birdwatch on an old-fashioned sewage farm, one where the sludge was spread on fields to fertilise crops. Tomatoes used to sprout in some abundance around the sludge tanks, making a welcome addition to my lunch sandwiches :-) -- Malcolm Ogilvie |
Getting rid of ground elder
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:07:56 +0100, Malcolm Ogilvie
wrote: In article , Jaques d'Altrades writes The message from Malcolm Ogilvie contains these words: Thus if you take the Act and the Commentary together, they state that the offence is "to plant or otherwise cause to grow *in the wild* any plant on Schedule 9, part 2". It is *not* an offence to have those plants in your garden. You must, though, prevent them escaping into the wild, something which does not apply to any other non-native plant though it does apply to all non-native animals. So, having eaten raw tomatoes you have to be careful where you get taken short? No, because tomatoes are not listed on Schedule 9, part 2. but careful not to receive a blistering attack, when using giant hog weed for cover. When I were a lad I used to birdwatch on an old-fashioned sewage farm, one where the sludge was spread on fields to fertilise crops. Tomatoes used to sprout in some abundance around the sludge tanks, making a welcome addition to my lunch sandwiches :-) We had to make do with Hovis and dripping sandwiches, wrapped in Page 3 to keep them warm. -- Martin |
Getting rid of ground elder
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from "Mike Tickle" contains these words: some thing with red roots/tubers Probably a willowherb of some description. -- Rusty Hinge horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm |
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from martin contains these words: Having read all the stuff about the unintentional spread of GM plants, and seen giant hog weed growing along miles of grass verges, how can you be careful not to let it escape? Cutting off flower heads to prevent seeding would prevent any escape from a garden planting. Whereabouts have you seen heracleum mantegazzanium growing along miles of grass verges? Janet |
Getting rid of ground elder
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:02:07 +0100, Janet Baraclough
wrote: The message from martin contains these words: Having read all the stuff about the unintentional spread of GM plants, and seen giant hog weed growing along miles of grass verges, how can you be careful not to let it escape? Cutting off flower heads to prevent seeding would prevent any escape from a garden planting. Whereabouts have you seen heracleum mantegazzanium growing along miles of grass verges? In the Netherlands. -- Martin |
Getting rid of ground elder
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from martin contains these words: When I were a lad I used to birdwatch on an old-fashioned sewage farm, one where the sludge was spread on fields to fertilise crops. Tomatoes used to sprout in some abundance around the sludge tanks, making a welcome addition to my lunch sandwiches :-) We had to make do with Hovis and dripping sandwiches, wrapped in Page 3 to keep them warm. Luxury. Tha had dripping? Why, t'only dripping us had while childhood were through top of t'box us family lived in. -- Alfred Tripebucket |
Getting rid of ground elder
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writes Having read all the stuff about the unintentional spread of GM plants, and seen giant hog weed growing along miles of grass verges, how can you be careful not to let it escape? Make sure it doesn't set seed. Why does it appear some years and not others? -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
Getting rid of ground elder
In article , martin
writes On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:56:12 +0100, Kay Easton wrote: In article , martin writes On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 18:23:44 +0100, Kay Easton wrote: In article , martin writes If you google search hard enough and long enough you will find a DEFRA .pdf file AFAIR that explains what action and against whom is to be taken against those growing Giant Hog weed. In the case of private individuals growing it, who refuse to remove it, a civil action may be taken against them by the local authority. That is if they are allowing it to be released into the wild. No! I beg your pardon, but yes. From the DEFRA site: '4. Under section 14 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, it can be an offence to plant or grow certain specified plants in the wild (see Schedule 9 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981), including Giant Hogweed and Japanese Knotweed. Problems involving these plants can be referred to the local authority for the area where those weeds are growing as some local authorities have by-laws controlling these plants. There is no statutory requirement for landowners to remove these plants from their property. Further information about non-native weeds species can be obtained from Defra’s European Wildlife Division at Bristol (Tel: 0117 372 6154)' In case you missed it: THERE IS NO STATUTORY REQUIREMENT FOR LANDOWNERS TO REMOVE THESE PLANTS FROM THEIR PROPERTY except... "local authority for the area where those weeds are growing as some local authorities have by-laws controlling these plants" It says somewhere that local authorities can start a civil action to make you remove them. I assume that is when there is a local by-law." I assume it's when you are causing a nuisance by letting them spread. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
Getting rid of ground elder
"martin" wrote in message ... [snip] Having read all the stuff about the unintentional spread of GM plants, and seen giant hog weed growing along miles of grass verges, how can you be careful not to let it escape? Why does it appear some years and not others? I have sincere doubts if you have ever "seen giant hogweed growing along miles of grass verges". Franz |
Getting rid of ground elder
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:02:24 +0100, Jaques d'Altrades
wrote: The message from martin contains these words: When I were a lad I used to birdwatch on an old-fashioned sewage farm, one where the sludge was spread on fields to fertilise crops. Tomatoes used to sprout in some abundance around the sludge tanks, making a welcome addition to my lunch sandwiches :-) We had to make do with Hovis and dripping sandwiches, wrapped in Page 3 to keep them warm. Luxury. Tha had dripping? Why, t'only dripping us had while childhood were through top of t'box us family lived in. box? we lived in t' gutter. -- Martin |
Getting rid of ground elder
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:19:00 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . [snip] Having read all the stuff about the unintentional spread of GM plants, and seen giant hog weed growing along miles of grass verges, how can you be careful not to let it escape? Why does it appear some years and not others? I have sincere doubts if you have ever "seen giant hogweed growing along miles of grass verges". because? -- Martin |
Getting rid of ground elder
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from martin contains these words: We had to make do with Hovis and dripping sandwiches, wrapped in Page 3 to keep them warm. Luxury. Tha had dripping? Why, t'only dripping us had while childhood were through top of t'box us family lived in. box? we lived in t' gutter. Luxury! They swept us family out of t'gutter and dumped us in t'box, 'appen. They kept us there while Christmas suspended over t'river like some magician. -- Rusty Hinge horrid·squeak&zetnet·co·uk http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/tqt.htm |
Getting rid of ground elder
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:22:22 +0100, Jaques d'Altrades
wrote: The message from martin contains these words: We had to make do with Hovis and dripping sandwiches, wrapped in Page 3 to keep them warm. Luxury. Tha had dripping? Why, t'only dripping us had while childhood were through top of t'box us family lived in. box? we lived in t' gutter. Luxury! They swept us family out of t'gutter and dumped us in t'box, 'appen. They kept us there while Christmas suspended over t'river like some magician. Christmas? There were no Christmas in t' mill -- Martin |
Getting rid of ground elder
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:22:22 +0100, Jaques d'Altrades
wrote: The message from martin contains these words: We had to make do with Hovis and dripping sandwiches, wrapped in Page 3 to keep them warm. Luxury. Tha had dripping? Why, t'only dripping us had while childhood were through top of t'box us family lived in. box? we lived in t' gutter. Luxury! They swept us family out of t'gutter and dumped us in t'box, 'appen. They kept us there while Christmas suspended over t'river like some magician. Christmas? There were no Christmas in t' mill -- Martin |
Getting rid of ground elder
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:22:22 +0100, Jaques d'Altrades
wrote: The message from martin contains these words: We had to make do with Hovis and dripping sandwiches, wrapped in Page 3 to keep them warm. Luxury. Tha had dripping? Why, t'only dripping us had while childhood were through top of t'box us family lived in. box? we lived in t' gutter. Luxury! They swept us family out of t'gutter and dumped us in t'box, 'appen. They kept us there while Christmas suspended over t'river like some magician. Christmas? There were no Christmas in t' mill -- Martin |
Getting rid of ground elder
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:22:22 +0100, Jaques d'Altrades
wrote: The message from martin contains these words: We had to make do with Hovis and dripping sandwiches, wrapped in Page 3 to keep them warm. Luxury. Tha had dripping? Why, t'only dripping us had while childhood were through top of t'box us family lived in. box? we lived in t' gutter. Luxury! They swept us family out of t'gutter and dumped us in t'box, 'appen. They kept us there while Christmas suspended over t'river like some magician. Christmas? There were no Christmas in t' mill -- Martin |
Getting rid of ground elder
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from martin contains these words: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:02:07 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote: Whereabouts have you seen heracleum mantegazzanium growing along miles of grass verges? In the Netherlands. Are you sure you haven't confused it with robust examples of other hogweeds? They can grow 6ft tall or so, but hm is HUGE. If you mean grass verges on roadsides, I would have thought that hm growing on them would reach well out into the roadway and brush pedestrians or cyclists with awful results. Janet. |
Getting rid of ground elder
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from martin contains these words: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:02:07 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote: Whereabouts have you seen heracleum mantegazzanium growing along miles of grass verges? In the Netherlands. Are you sure you haven't confused it with robust examples of other hogweeds? They can grow 6ft tall or so, but hm is HUGE. If you mean grass verges on roadsides, I would have thought that hm growing on them would reach well out into the roadway and brush pedestrians or cyclists with awful results. Janet. |
Getting rid of ground elder
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from martin contains these words: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:02:07 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote: Whereabouts have you seen heracleum mantegazzanium growing along miles of grass verges? In the Netherlands. Are you sure you haven't confused it with robust examples of other hogweeds? They can grow 6ft tall or so, but hm is HUGE. If you mean grass verges on roadsides, I would have thought that hm growing on them would reach well out into the roadway and brush pedestrians or cyclists with awful results. Janet. |
Getting rid of ground elder
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from martin contains these words: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:02:07 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote: Whereabouts have you seen heracleum mantegazzanium growing along miles of grass verges? In the Netherlands. Are you sure you haven't confused it with robust examples of other hogweeds? They can grow 6ft tall or so, but hm is HUGE. If you mean grass verges on roadsides, I would have thought that hm growing on them would reach well out into the roadway and brush pedestrians or cyclists with awful results. Janet. |
Getting rid of ground elder
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:01:15 GMT, Janet Baraclough
wrote: The message from martin contains these words: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:02:07 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote: Whereabouts have you seen heracleum mantegazzanium growing along miles of grass verges? In the Netherlands. Are you sure you haven't confused it with robust examples of other hogweeds? They can grow 6ft tall or so, but hm is HUGE. If you mean grass verges on roadsides, I would have thought that hm growing on them would reach well out into the roadway and brush pedestrians or cyclists with awful results. There is no pavement or cycle path on the side of the road where the giant hog weed was. It was reported in the local newspaper -- Martin |
Getting rid of ground elder
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:01:15 GMT, Janet Baraclough
wrote: The message from martin contains these words: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:02:07 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote: Whereabouts have you seen heracleum mantegazzanium growing along miles of grass verges? In the Netherlands. Are you sure you haven't confused it with robust examples of other hogweeds? They can grow 6ft tall or so, but hm is HUGE. If you mean grass verges on roadsides, I would have thought that hm growing on them would reach well out into the roadway and brush pedestrians or cyclists with awful results. There is no pavement or cycle path on the side of the road where the giant hog weed was. It was reported in the local newspaper -- Martin |
Getting rid of ground elder
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:01:15 GMT, Janet Baraclough
wrote: The message from martin contains these words: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:02:07 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote: Whereabouts have you seen heracleum mantegazzanium growing along miles of grass verges? In the Netherlands. Are you sure you haven't confused it with robust examples of other hogweeds? They can grow 6ft tall or so, but hm is HUGE. If you mean grass verges on roadsides, I would have thought that hm growing on them would reach well out into the roadway and brush pedestrians or cyclists with awful results. There is no pavement or cycle path on the side of the road where the giant hog weed was. It was reported in the local newspaper -- Martin |
Getting rid of ground elder
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:01:15 GMT, Janet Baraclough
wrote: The message from martin contains these words: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:02:07 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote: Whereabouts have you seen heracleum mantegazzanium growing along miles of grass verges? In the Netherlands. Are you sure you haven't confused it with robust examples of other hogweeds? They can grow 6ft tall or so, but hm is HUGE. If you mean grass verges on roadsides, I would have thought that hm growing on them would reach well out into the roadway and brush pedestrians or cyclists with awful results. There is no pavement or cycle path on the side of the road where the giant hog weed was. It was reported in the local newspaper -- Martin |
Getting rid of ground elder
In article ,
Franz Heymann wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . Having read all the stuff about the unintentional spread of GM plants, and seen giant hog weed growing along miles of grass verges, how can you be careful not to let it escape? Why does it appear some years and not others? I have sincere doubts if you have ever "seen giant hogweed growing along miles of grass verges". He may well have done - I can't tell you what he has been smoking :-) To martin: The reason that you won't have done is that it is not a weed of GRASS verges. Most conditions that will cause a cover of grass are not what it likes and, if it does grow well, it will kill the grass. You may well have seen it along miles of VERGES, but an inspection of them will show either relatively little giant hogweed or relatively little grass underneath it. The same applies to many other weeds, incidentally. You can prevent it escaping only by preventing it from setting seed; cutting it down once or twice a year without fail will do that. If it appears in a place some years and not others, I suspect that it is NOT giant hogweed (which is a perennial), but one of the umbellifers that can be mistaken for it. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Getting rid of ground elder
In article ,
Franz Heymann wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . Having read all the stuff about the unintentional spread of GM plants, and seen giant hog weed growing along miles of grass verges, how can you be careful not to let it escape? Why does it appear some years and not others? I have sincere doubts if you have ever "seen giant hogweed growing along miles of grass verges". He may well have done - I can't tell you what he has been smoking :-) To martin: The reason that you won't have done is that it is not a weed of GRASS verges. Most conditions that will cause a cover of grass are not what it likes and, if it does grow well, it will kill the grass. You may well have seen it along miles of VERGES, but an inspection of them will show either relatively little giant hogweed or relatively little grass underneath it. The same applies to many other weeds, incidentally. You can prevent it escaping only by preventing it from setting seed; cutting it down once or twice a year without fail will do that. If it appears in a place some years and not others, I suspect that it is NOT giant hogweed (which is a perennial), but one of the umbellifers that can be mistaken for it. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Getting rid of ground elder
In article ,
Franz Heymann wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . Having read all the stuff about the unintentional spread of GM plants, and seen giant hog weed growing along miles of grass verges, how can you be careful not to let it escape? Why does it appear some years and not others? I have sincere doubts if you have ever "seen giant hogweed growing along miles of grass verges". He may well have done - I can't tell you what he has been smoking :-) To martin: The reason that you won't have done is that it is not a weed of GRASS verges. Most conditions that will cause a cover of grass are not what it likes and, if it does grow well, it will kill the grass. You may well have seen it along miles of VERGES, but an inspection of them will show either relatively little giant hogweed or relatively little grass underneath it. The same applies to many other weeds, incidentally. You can prevent it escaping only by preventing it from setting seed; cutting it down once or twice a year without fail will do that. If it appears in a place some years and not others, I suspect that it is NOT giant hogweed (which is a perennial), but one of the umbellifers that can be mistaken for it. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Getting rid of ground elder
In article ,
Franz Heymann wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . Having read all the stuff about the unintentional spread of GM plants, and seen giant hog weed growing along miles of grass verges, how can you be careful not to let it escape? Why does it appear some years and not others? I have sincere doubts if you have ever "seen giant hogweed growing along miles of grass verges". He may well have done - I can't tell you what he has been smoking :-) To martin: The reason that you won't have done is that it is not a weed of GRASS verges. Most conditions that will cause a cover of grass are not what it likes and, if it does grow well, it will kill the grass. You may well have seen it along miles of VERGES, but an inspection of them will show either relatively little giant hogweed or relatively little grass underneath it. The same applies to many other weeds, incidentally. You can prevent it escaping only by preventing it from setting seed; cutting it down once or twice a year without fail will do that. If it appears in a place some years and not others, I suspect that it is NOT giant hogweed (which is a perennial), but one of the umbellifers that can be mistaken for it. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Getting rid of ground elder
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:22:22 +0100, Jaques d'Altrades
wrote: The message from martin contains these words: We had to make do with Hovis and dripping sandwiches, wrapped in Page 3 to keep them warm. Luxury. Tha had dripping? Why, t'only dripping us had while childhood were through top of t'box us family lived in. box? we lived in t' gutter. Luxury! They swept us family out of t'gutter and dumped us in t'box, 'appen. They kept us there while Christmas suspended over t'river like some magician. Christmas? There were no Christmas in t' mill -- Martin |
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Getting rid of ground elder
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from martin contains these words: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:02:07 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote: Whereabouts have you seen heracleum mantegazzanium growing along miles of grass verges? In the Netherlands. Are you sure you haven't confused it with robust examples of other hogweeds? They can grow 6ft tall or so, but hm is HUGE. If you mean grass verges on roadsides, I would have thought that hm growing on them would reach well out into the roadway and brush pedestrians or cyclists with awful results. Janet. |
Getting rid of ground elder
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:01:15 GMT, Janet Baraclough
wrote: The message from martin contains these words: On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:02:07 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote: Whereabouts have you seen heracleum mantegazzanium growing along miles of grass verges? In the Netherlands. Are you sure you haven't confused it with robust examples of other hogweeds? They can grow 6ft tall or so, but hm is HUGE. If you mean grass verges on roadsides, I would have thought that hm growing on them would reach well out into the roadway and brush pedestrians or cyclists with awful results. There is no pavement or cycle path on the side of the road where the giant hog weed was. It was reported in the local newspaper -- Martin |
Getting rid of ground elder
In article ,
Franz Heymann wrote: "martin" wrote in message .. . Having read all the stuff about the unintentional spread of GM plants, and seen giant hog weed growing along miles of grass verges, how can you be careful not to let it escape? Why does it appear some years and not others? I have sincere doubts if you have ever "seen giant hogweed growing along miles of grass verges". He may well have done - I can't tell you what he has been smoking :-) To martin: The reason that you won't have done is that it is not a weed of GRASS verges. Most conditions that will cause a cover of grass are not what it likes and, if it does grow well, it will kill the grass. You may well have seen it along miles of VERGES, but an inspection of them will show either relatively little giant hogweed or relatively little grass underneath it. The same applies to many other weeds, incidentally. You can prevent it escaping only by preventing it from setting seed; cutting it down once or twice a year without fail will do that. If it appears in a place some years and not others, I suspect that it is NOT giant hogweed (which is a perennial), but one of the umbellifers that can be mistaken for it. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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