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Sacha 21-01-2004 06:35 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone, I saw an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got any
other ideas/sources/definitions?
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Sally Thompson 21-01-2004 10:33 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:24:41 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone, I saw an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got any
other ideas/sources/definitions?


I always thought it was a lake if you could put a (full sized) boat on
it.


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Bob Hobden 21-01-2004 11:34 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 

"Sacha" wrote in message
Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone, I saw

an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got any
other ideas/sources/definitions?
--


Then there's the question of, when is a pond only a puddle. :-)

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Jaques d'Alltrades 22-01-2004 03:19 AM

Lakes or ponds?
 
The message
from Sacha contains these words:

Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone, I saw an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got any
other ideas/sources/definitions?


A lake is generally fed by a stream.

--
Rusty
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Kay Easton 22-01-2004 07:35 AM

Lakes or ponds?
 
In article , Sally Thompson
writes
On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:24:41 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone, I saw an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got any
other ideas/sources/definitions?


I always thought it was a lake if you could put a (full sized) boat on
it.


But what is a full sized boat? A dinghy? The QE2?
--
Kay Easton

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Kay Easton 22-01-2004 07:36 AM

Lakes or ponds?
 
In article , Jaques d'Alltrades
writes
The message
from Sacha contains these words:

Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone, I saw an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got any
other ideas/sources/definitions?


A lake is generally fed by a stream.

But so are many ponds
--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

Sacha 22-01-2004 10:32 AM

Lakes or ponds?
 
Kay Easton22/1/04 6:42

In article , Jaques d'Alltrades
writes
The message
from Sacha contains these words:

Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone, I saw an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got any
other ideas/sources/definitions?


A lake is generally fed by a stream.

But so are many ponds


True, so I still think the definition of a lake is to do with size.
--

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Frogleg 22-01-2004 11:37 AM

Lakes or ponds?
 
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:27:14 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

I still think the definition of a lake is to do with size.


http://www.babineefmpp.com/glossary/L.html

(A Canadian site) says

Lake: a naturally occurring static body of water greater than 2 m in
depth and greater than 1 ha in size, or a licensed reservoir.

A US EPA (Environment Protection Agency) site also uses a 1 hectare
definition for some purposes. Dictionary entries say a lake is larger
than a pond (and a pond is smaller than a lake). OTOH, people who've
named "lakes" and "ponds" probably didn't measure.

This post is from across the Pond. :-)


Frogleg 22-01-2004 11:53 AM

Lakes or ponds?
 
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:27:14 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

I still think the definition of a lake is to do with size.


http://www.babineefmpp.com/glossary/L.html

(A Canadian site) says

Lake: a naturally occurring static body of water greater than 2 m in
depth and greater than 1 ha in size, or a licensed reservoir.

A US EPA (Environment Protection Agency) site also uses a 1 hectare
definition for some purposes. Dictionary entries say a lake is larger
than a pond (and a pond is smaller than a lake). OTOH, people who've
named "lakes" and "ponds" probably didn't measure.

This post is from across the Pond. :-)


Sacha 22-01-2004 12:02 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
Frogleg22/1/04 11:11

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:27:14 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

I still think the definition of a lake is to do with size.


http://www.babineefmpp.com/glossary/L.html

(A Canadian site) says

Lake: a naturally occurring static body of water greater than 2 m in
depth and greater than 1 ha in size, or a licensed reservoir.

A US EPA (Environment Protection Agency) site also uses a 1 hectare
definition for some purposes. Dictionary entries say a lake is larger
than a pond (and a pond is smaller than a lake). OTOH, people who've
named "lakes" and "ponds" probably didn't measure.

This post is from across the Pond. :-)

Thank you. Perhaps we should re-name it The Lake. But at least we now know
that size *does* matter. ;-)
--

Sacha
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Sacha 22-01-2004 12:07 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
Frogleg22/1/04 11:11

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:27:14 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

I still think the definition of a lake is to do with size.


http://www.babineefmpp.com/glossary/L.html

(A Canadian site) says

Lake: a naturally occurring static body of water greater than 2 m in
depth and greater than 1 ha in size, or a licensed reservoir.

A US EPA (Environment Protection Agency) site also uses a 1 hectare
definition for some purposes. Dictionary entries say a lake is larger
than a pond (and a pond is smaller than a lake). OTOH, people who've
named "lakes" and "ponds" probably didn't measure.

This post is from across the Pond. :-)

Thank you. Perhaps we should re-name it The Lake. But at least we now know
that size *does* matter. ;-)
--

Sacha
(remove the 'x' to email me)



Sacha 22-01-2004 12:15 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
Frogleg22/1/04 11:11

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:27:14 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

I still think the definition of a lake is to do with size.


http://www.babineefmpp.com/glossary/L.html

(A Canadian site) says

Lake: a naturally occurring static body of water greater than 2 m in
depth and greater than 1 ha in size, or a licensed reservoir.

A US EPA (Environment Protection Agency) site also uses a 1 hectare
definition for some purposes. Dictionary entries say a lake is larger
than a pond (and a pond is smaller than a lake). OTOH, people who've
named "lakes" and "ponds" probably didn't measure.

This post is from across the Pond. :-)

Thank you. Perhaps we should re-name it The Lake. But at least we now know
that size *does* matter. ;-)
--

Sacha
(remove the 'x' to email me)



Jaques d'Alltrades 22-01-2004 01:32 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
The message
from Kay Easton contains these words:
In article , Jaques d'Alltrades
writes
The message
from Sacha contains these words:

Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a
lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone,
I saw an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got any
other ideas/sources/definitions?


A lake is generally fed by a stream.

But so are many ponds


Small lakes?

--
Rusty
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Jaques d'Alltrades 22-01-2004 01:34 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
The message
from Sacha contains these words:
Kay Easton22/1/04 6:42

In article , Jaques d'Alltrades
writes
The message
from Sacha contains these words:

Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a
lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone,
I saw an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got any
other ideas/sources/definitions?

A lake is generally fed by a stream.

But so are many ponds


True, so I still think the definition of a lake is to do with size.


So where does a lakelet fit in? Something which is a bit too ponderous?

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

Martin Sykes 22-01-2004 02:03 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
"Sacha" wrote in message
.. .
snip Thank you. Perhaps we should re-name it The Lake. But at least we
now know
that size *does* matter. ;-)


According to the guiness world records web site -
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/index.asp

'The Caspian Sea' is a lake - the world's largest at 371800 sq km
'Don Juan Pond' is a lake - the saltiest lake in the world, remaining liquid
at -53 Celcius
'The Aral Sea' is a lake - has shrunk most - 80% since 1980

So, that's two seas and one pond which are 'officially' lakes. I guess you
can call it whatever you want.

I also found a reference elsewhere to Shenyang in China having the world's
smallest lake which might have helped but it didn't mention the size :-(

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Jaques d'Alltrades 22-01-2004 09:48 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
The message
from Sacha contains these words:

Thank you. Perhaps we should re-name it The Lake. But at least we now know
that size *does* matter. ;-)


As most of the spam cascading in suggests....

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
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Jaques d'Alltrades 22-01-2004 09:48 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
The message
from Sacha contains these words:

Thank you. Perhaps we should re-name it The Lake. But at least we now know
that size *does* matter. ;-)


As most of the spam cascading in suggests....

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

Jaques d'Alltrades 22-01-2004 09:48 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
The message
from Sacha contains these words:

Thank you. Perhaps we should re-name it The Lake. But at least we now know
that size *does* matter. ;-)


As most of the spam cascading in suggests....

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

Franz Heymann 22-01-2004 09:57 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 

"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message
...
The message
from Sacha contains these words:
Kay Easton22/1/04 6:42

In article , Jaques

d'Alltrades
writes
The message
from Sacha contains these words:

Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a
lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone,
I saw an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got

any
other ideas/sources/definitions?

A lake is generally fed by a stream.

But so are many ponds


True, so I still think the definition of a lake is to do with size.


So where does a lakelet fit in? Something which is a bit too ponderous?


Are tarns too tarnished?

Franz



Franz Heymann 22-01-2004 09:57 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 

"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message
...
The message
from Sacha contains these words:
Kay Easton22/1/04 6:42

In article , Jaques

d'Alltrades
writes
The message
from Sacha contains these words:

Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a
lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone,
I saw an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got

any
other ideas/sources/definitions?

A lake is generally fed by a stream.

But so are many ponds


True, so I still think the definition of a lake is to do with size.


So where does a lakelet fit in? Something which is a bit too ponderous?


Are tarns too tarnished?

Franz



Franz Heymann 22-01-2004 10:01 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 

"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message
...
The message
from Sacha contains these words:
Kay Easton22/1/04 6:42

In article , Jaques

d'Alltrades
writes
The message
from Sacha contains these words:

Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a
lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone,
I saw an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got

any
other ideas/sources/definitions?

A lake is generally fed by a stream.

But so are many ponds


True, so I still think the definition of a lake is to do with size.


So where does a lakelet fit in? Something which is a bit too ponderous?


Are tarns too tarnished?

Franz



Rod 22-01-2004 10:17 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
Sacha wrote:

Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone, I saw an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got any
other ideas/sources/definitions?


I suspect the 'eye of the beholder' might have some bearing.
--
Rod
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My email address needs weeding.

Bevan Price 22-01-2004 10:26 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 

"Sacha" wrote in message .. .
Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone, I saw an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got any
other ideas/sources/definitions?
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the 'x' to email me)

From the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary (not the latest edition)

Lake = A large body of water surrounded by land. In recent years often applied to an ornamental piece of water in a park

Pond = A small body of still water of artificial formation . Name sometimes applied locally to a natural pool, tarn,
mere or small lake.

Tarn = A small mountain lake having no significant tributaries.

And for completion,
Mere = A sheet of standing water, a lake or pond. Recent use mainly in Poetry or local dialects.
Pool = a small body of standing or still water, usually of natural formation.. A small shallow collection of any liquid;
a puddle.

No dimensions included for any of these definitions.

Bevan




ned 22-01-2004 10:26 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 

"Sacha" wrote in message
.. .
Frogleg22/1/04 11:11

On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:27:14 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

I still think the definition of a lake is to do with size.


http://www.babineefmpp.com/glossary/L.html

(A Canadian site) says

Lake: a naturally occurring static body of water greater than 2 m

in
depth and greater than 1 ha in size, or a licensed reservoir.

A US EPA (Environment Protection Agency) site also uses a 1

hectare
definition for some purposes. Dictionary entries say a lake is

larger
than a pond (and a pond is smaller than a lake). OTOH, people

who've
named "lakes" and "ponds" probably didn't measure.

This post is from across the Pond. :-)

Thank you. Perhaps we should re-name it The Lake. But at least we

now know
that size *does* matter. ;-)


You can throw a stone across a pond, but not across a lake.
....... Therefore, QED, a man-sized pond is a little boy's lake.
:-)

--
ned



Jaques d'Alltrades 22-01-2004 10:39 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
The message
from Sacha contains these words:

Thank you. Perhaps we should re-name it The Lake. But at least we now know
that size *does* matter. ;-)


As most of the spam cascading in suggests....

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

Nick Maclaren 22-01-2004 11:15 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
In article ,
Rod wrote:
Sacha wrote:

Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone, I saw an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got any
other ideas/sources/definitions?


I suspect the 'eye of the beholder' might have some bearing.


As in: I have a lake, you have a pond, he has a paddling pool?


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Charlie Pridham 22-01-2004 11:17 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 

"Sacha" wrote in message
.. .
Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone, I saw

an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got any
other ideas/sources/definitions?
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the 'x' to email me)

I always thought a lake had to have a river flowing in while a pond did not?

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)




Nick Maclaren 22-01-2004 11:17 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
In article ,
Rod wrote:
Sacha wrote:

Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone, I saw an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got any
other ideas/sources/definitions?


I suspect the 'eye of the beholder' might have some bearing.


As in: I have a lake, you have a pond, he has a paddling pool?


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Charlie Pridham 22-01-2004 11:18 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 

"Sacha" wrote in message
.. .
Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone, I saw

an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got any
other ideas/sources/definitions?
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the 'x' to email me)

I always thought a lake had to have a river flowing in while a pond did not?

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)




Sacha 22-01-2004 11:19 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
Nick Maclaren22/1/04 7:15

In article ,
Rod wrote:
Sacha wrote:

Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone, I saw an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got any
other ideas/sources/definitions?


I suspect the 'eye of the beholder' might have some bearing.


As in: I have a lake, you have a pond, he has a paddling pool?


You forgot dewpond........which belongs to the plume de ma tante.
--

Sacha
(remove the 'x' to email me)



Sacha 22-01-2004 11:19 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
Nick Maclaren22/1/04 7:15

In article ,
Rod wrote:
Sacha wrote:

Frivolous question but - I was told once that the definition of a lake was
that it covered an acre of land. In discussing this with someone, I saw an
internet definition giving 0.25 of a hectare as a lake. Anyone got any
other ideas/sources/definitions?


I suspect the 'eye of the beholder' might have some bearing.


As in: I have a lake, you have a pond, he has a paddling pool?


You forgot dewpond........which belongs to the plume de ma tante.
--

Sacha
(remove the 'x' to email me)



Jaques d'Alltrades 23-01-2004 12:16 AM

Lakes or ponds?
 
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:

True, so I still think the definition of a lake is to do with size.


So where does a lakelet fit in? Something which is a bit too ponderous?


Are tarns too tarnished?


They are a mere geographical anomaly.

--
Rusty
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Jaques d'Alltrades 23-01-2004 12:19 AM

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The message
from "Bevan Price" contains
these words:

No dimensions included for any of these definitions.


They omitted 'pit' - East-Anglian term for a pond: originating (I'd
guess) from the pit clay was mined from to mix with cowdung and chopped
straw to make clay-lump building blocks.

Any pond and some lakes in large swathes of east Anglia are called pits.

--
Rusty
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Jaques d'Alltrades 23-01-2004 01:15 AM

Lakes or ponds?
 
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:

True, so I still think the definition of a lake is to do with size.


So where does a lakelet fit in? Something which is a bit too ponderous?


Are tarns too tarnished?


They are a mere geographical anomaly.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

Jaques d'Alltrades 23-01-2004 01:15 AM

Lakes or ponds?
 
The message
from "Franz Heymann" contains these words:

True, so I still think the definition of a lake is to do with size.


So where does a lakelet fit in? Something which is a bit too ponderous?


Are tarns too tarnished?


They are a mere geographical anomaly.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

Jaques d'Alltrades 23-01-2004 01:15 AM

Lakes or ponds?
 
The message
from "Bevan Price" contains
these words:

No dimensions included for any of these definitions.


They omitted 'pit' - East-Anglian term for a pond: originating (I'd
guess) from the pit clay was mined from to mix with cowdung and chopped
straw to make clay-lump building blocks.

Any pond and some lakes in large swathes of east Anglia are called pits.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

Jaques d'Alltrades 23-01-2004 01:15 AM

Lakes or ponds?
 
The message
from "Bevan Price" contains
these words:

No dimensions included for any of these definitions.


They omitted 'pit' - East-Anglian term for a pond: originating (I'd
guess) from the pit clay was mined from to mix with cowdung and chopped
straw to make clay-lump building blocks.

Any pond and some lakes in large swathes of east Anglia are called pits.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/

Gary Woods 23-01-2004 05:02 AM

Lakes or ponds?
 
"Bevan Price" wrote:


Pond = A small body of still water of artificial formation


Drat! I'd almost convinced myself that my 2/3 acre bullldozer-induced body
of water with dock and paddleboat qualified as a lake, albeit a small one.
Currently covered with a thick layer of ice, winter being very assertive
this year in the Northeast American colonies...


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at www.albany.net/~gwoods
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

Jaques d'Alltrades 23-01-2004 01:04 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
The message
from Gary Woods contains these words:
"Bevan Price" wrote:



Pond = A small body of still water of artificial formation


Drat! I'd almost convinced myself that my 2/3 acre bullldozer-induced body
of water with dock and paddleboat qualified as a lake, albeit a small one.
Currently covered with a thick layer of ice, winter being very assertive
this year in the Northeast American colonies...


Don't give up! I have a sort of feeling that the Lake of Menteith is 'of
artificial formation', BICBW.

--
Rusty
Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar.
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Janet Baraclough .. 23-01-2004 06:43 PM

Lakes or ponds?
 
The message
from Gary Woods contains these words:

"Bevan Price" wrote:



Pond = A small body of still water of artificial formation


Drat! I'd almost convinced myself that my 2/3 acre bullldozer-induced body
of water with dock and paddleboat qualified as a lake, albeit a small one.


Lucky you ! Is your loch a recent construction, and can you go fishing
from your boat/dock?

Currently covered with a thick layer of ice, winter being very assertive
this year in the Northeast American colonies...


Just right for skating and curling

Janet


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