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from Nick contains these words: My loft is fairly spacious and boarded out but surrounded with loads of bin liners with clothes Ideal breeding habitat for mice. are mice known to inhabit loft spaces Yep...we heard ours racing about the loft in hobnail boots at night. Then honey started dripping through the bedroom ceiling, and it turned out the mice had found a bees nest under the loft insulation. or could this just be one mouse that has become trapped in the loft for some reason? IME, there is no such thing as "just one" mouse :-). Iirc, females can produce a litter every 6 weeks all year round. Janet. |
o/t : found a mouse in my loft!
The message
from Nick contains these words: My loft is fairly spacious and boarded out but surrounded with loads of bin liners with clothes Ideal breeding habitat for mice. are mice known to inhabit loft spaces Yep...we heard ours racing about the loft in hobnail boots at night. Then honey started dripping through the bedroom ceiling, and it turned out the mice had found a bees nest under the loft insulation. or could this just be one mouse that has become trapped in the loft for some reason? IME, there is no such thing as "just one" mouse :-). Iirc, females can produce a litter every 6 weeks all year round. Janet. |
o/t : found a mouse in my loft!
The message
from Nick contains these words: My loft is fairly spacious and boarded out but surrounded with loads of bin liners with clothes Ideal breeding habitat for mice. are mice known to inhabit loft spaces Yep...we heard ours racing about the loft in hobnail boots at night. Then honey started dripping through the bedroom ceiling, and it turned out the mice had found a bees nest under the loft insulation. or could this just be one mouse that has become trapped in the loft for some reason? IME, there is no such thing as "just one" mouse :-). Iirc, females can produce a litter every 6 weeks all year round. Janet. |
o/t : found a mouse in my loft!
"Kay Easton" wrote in message ... In article , Nick writes are mice known to inhabit loft spaces or could this just be one mouse that has become trapped in the loft for some reason? - (bearing in mind that its a semi detatched house with a fairly high roof)! Mice will inhabit anywhere which has a food supply. My mother recalls lying in bed in rented accommodation listening to them thundering around above the ceiling, and an ex-boyfriend in an unaccustomed fit of cleanliness decided to clean his gas cooker, and found a nest of mice snuggled up warm close to the pilot light. We had a nest close to the motor in our old chest freezer (working) in the shed. they couldn't get into the freezer but they had a snug home base. The clever ones nested in an occupied beehive where it was warm, dry and there was food on tap. Never had to leave - until those horrid humans lifted the lid ... Mary -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
o/t : found a mouse in my loft!
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from Nick contains these words: no more were caught in the loft but i've left traps under the cage still and also in the loft which will remain for a while i think! I'd put something over them, like a dish with one side jacked-up enough for a mouse to get in: if there's any light in there and birds can get in you might have a sparrow in your trap when they start nest-building. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
o/t : found a mouse in my loft!
The message
from Nick contains these words: no more were caught in the loft but i've left traps under the cage still and also in the loft which will remain for a while i think! I'd put something over them, like a dish with one side jacked-up enough for a mouse to get in: if there's any light in there and birds can get in you might have a sparrow in your trap when they start nest-building. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
o/t : found a mouse in my loft!
The message
from Nick contains these words: no more were caught in the loft but i've left traps under the cage still and also in the loft which will remain for a while i think! I'd put something over them, like a dish with one side jacked-up enough for a mouse to get in: if there's any light in there and birds can get in you might have a sparrow in your trap when they start nest-building. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
found a mouse in my loft!
"Nick" wrote in message ... My loft is fairly spacious and boarded out but surrounded with loads of bin liners with clothes and other non essential thing in. i put a box up there 2 weeks ago which had some polysterene packaging in and i noticed yesterday that there were some mouse droppings and a small hole made in the box. (it was a cdwriter that i'd packaged up that i planned to sell on ebay so it was all sealed up ready for despatch if i sold it). When we moved into our house we had mice in the loft, kitchen, under the floorboards, garage & garden & we had to get the council mouse man in. He got rid of the mice in the house with poison & our two cats removed the ones in the garage & garden (which is a much more environmentally friendly method) & we haven't had any since. How the previous owners lived like that I don't know! I'd suggest getting a sachet or two of mouse poison & putting them in your loft just in case there are more. |
found a mouse in my loft!
"Nick" wrote in message ... My loft is fairly spacious and boarded out but surrounded with loads of bin liners with clothes and other non essential thing in. i put a box up there 2 weeks ago which had some polysterene packaging in and i noticed yesterday that there were some mouse droppings and a small hole made in the box. (it was a cdwriter that i'd packaged up that i planned to sell on ebay so it was all sealed up ready for despatch if i sold it). When we moved into our house we had mice in the loft, kitchen, under the floorboards, garage & garden & we had to get the council mouse man in. He got rid of the mice in the house with poison & our two cats removed the ones in the garage & garden (which is a much more environmentally friendly method) & we haven't had any since. How the previous owners lived like that I don't know! I'd suggest getting a sachet or two of mouse poison & putting them in your loft just in case there are more. |
found a mouse in my loft!
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from "Jayne" contains these words: When we moved into our house we had mice in the loft, kitchen, under the floorboards, garage & garden & we had to get the council mouse man in. He got rid of the mice in the house with poison & our two cats removed the ones in the garage & garden (which is a much more environmentally friendly method) & we haven't had any since. How the previous owners lived like that I don't know! I'd suggest getting a sachet or two of mouse poison & putting them in your loft just in case there are more. Mice eat a little and then move somewhere else and eat a little, unlike rats, which will take a meal in one place. You need to dot several containers of bait about the place, and the best place to put them is against a vertical surface, as mice tend to travel along the bottom of walls etc. (Always set mousetraps facing the wall too.) -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:58:56 +0000 (UTC), Jayne wrote:
I'd suggest getting a sachet or two of mouse poison & putting them in your loft just in case there are more. Trouble with poison is that a) it's not a particulary pleasant death b) they'll die somewhere inaccessable to all but flys and smells... -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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from "Dave Liquorice" contains these words: On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:58:56 +0000 (UTC), Jayne wrote: I'd suggest getting a sachet or two of mouse poison & putting them in your loft just in case there are more. Trouble with poison is that a) it's not a particulary pleasant death b) they'll die somewhere inaccessable to all but flys and smells... Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 01:35:54 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: The message om from "Dave Liquorice" contains these words: On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 20:58:56 +0000 (UTC), Jayne wrote: I'd suggest getting a sachet or two of mouse poison & putting them in your loft just in case there are more. Trouble with poison is that a) it's not a particulary pleasant death b) they'll die somewhere inaccessable to all but flys and smells... Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. Only a right arsehole could describe an horrendous death by warfarin as "not particularly unpleasant" See how smug you would be if you were forced to ingest it! Prat. To the original poster, use a live trap which is very effective and release outside. |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? Mary -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
found a mouse in my loft!
"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from "Jayne" contains these words: When we moved into our house we had mice in the loft, kitchen, under the floorboards, garage & garden & we had to get the council mouse man in. He got rid of the mice in the house with poison & our two cats removed the ones in the garage & garden (which is a much more environmentally friendly method) & we haven't had any since. How the previous owners lived like that I don't know! I'd suggest getting a sachet or two of mouse poison & putting them in your loft just in case there are more. Mice eat a little and then move somewhere else and eat a little, unlike rats, which will take a meal in one place. You need to dot several containers of bait about the place, and the best place to put them is against a vertical surface, as mice tend to travel along the bottom of walls etc. (Always set mousetraps facing the wall too.) Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one hell of a lot less damage than cats. Franz |
found a mouse in my loft!
"Jayne" wrote in message ... "Nick" wrote in message ... My loft is fairly spacious and boarded out but surrounded with loads of bin liners with clothes and other non essential thing in. i put a box up there 2 weeks ago which had some polysterene packaging in and i noticed yesterday that there were some mouse droppings and a small hole made in the box. (it was a cdwriter that i'd packaged up that i planned to sell on ebay so it was all sealed up ready for despatch if i sold it). When we moved into our house we had mice in the loft, kitchen, under the floorboards, garage & garden & we had to get the council mouse man in. He got rid of the mice in the house with poison & our two cats removed the ones in the garage & garden (which is a much more environmentally friendly method) & we haven't had any since. How the previous owners lived like that I don't know! I'd suggest getting a sachet or two of mouse poison & putting them in your loft just in case there are more. The one we shook out of the back of one of the easy chairs did not take long to get used to come and eat his daily ration of cheese on the tiles in front of the fireplace. Franz |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:32:53 +0000, Jack Hammer
wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message . .. Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! eh? -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one hell of a lot less damage than cats. Quite. Mary Franz |
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"Jack Hammer" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Mary |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:45:54 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one hell of a lot less damage than cats. Quite. It depends on how many mice do you intend to feed. If the females reproduce every six weeks you could be feeding thousands within a few years. The mice that got into our house caused quite a lot of damage. The cats sorted then out eventually. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? http://www.mycustompak.com/healthNot...g/Warfarin.htm -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one hell of a lot less damage than cats. Quite. Mary Franz |
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"Jack Hammer" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Mary |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:45:54 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one hell of a lot less damage than cats. Quite. It depends on how many mice do you intend to feed. If the females reproduce every six weeks you could be feeding thousands within a few years. The mice that got into our house caused quite a lot of damage. The cats sorted then out eventually. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? http://www.mycustompak.com/healthNot...g/Warfarin.htm -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:40:49 +0100, martin wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:32:53 +0000, Jack Hammer wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! eh? See what I mean! |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? No mention of pain in ... http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic872.htm Mortality/Morbidity: Bleeding is the primary adverse effect of coumadin and superwarfarin toxicity and is related to the intensity of anticoagulation, length of therapy, the patient's underlying clinical state, and use of other drugs that may affect hemostasis or interfere with warfarin metabolism. Fatal or nonfatal hemorrhage may occur from any tissue or organ. * Bleeding complications may be minor, including mucous membranes, subconjunctival hemorrhage, hematuria, epistaxis, and ecchymoses. * Bleeding complications can be major, including GI tract, intracranial bleeding, and retroperitoneal bleeding. Massive hemorrhage usually involves the GI tract but may involve the spinal cord or cerebral, pericardial, pulmonary, adrenal, or hepatic sites. Although rare, massive intraocular hemorrhage has been reported in patients with preexisting disciform macular degeneration. * Hypercoagulable presentations are theoretically possible. Race: Racial predilection does not appear to exist for this type of toxicity. Sex: No significant difference between sexes is apparent for this toxicity. Age: Warfarin exposures, acute and chronic, are more common in adults than in children. Single exposures to superwarfarins are more common in children than in adults and generally are accidental ingestions. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:40:49 +0100, martin wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:32:53 +0000, Jack Hammer wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! eh? See what I mean! |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? No mention of pain in ... http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic872.htm Mortality/Morbidity: Bleeding is the primary adverse effect of coumadin and superwarfarin toxicity and is related to the intensity of anticoagulation, length of therapy, the patient's underlying clinical state, and use of other drugs that may affect hemostasis or interfere with warfarin metabolism. Fatal or nonfatal hemorrhage may occur from any tissue or organ. * Bleeding complications may be minor, including mucous membranes, subconjunctival hemorrhage, hematuria, epistaxis, and ecchymoses. * Bleeding complications can be major, including GI tract, intracranial bleeding, and retroperitoneal bleeding. Massive hemorrhage usually involves the GI tract but may involve the spinal cord or cerebral, pericardial, pulmonary, adrenal, or hepatic sites. Although rare, massive intraocular hemorrhage has been reported in patients with preexisting disciform macular degeneration. * Hypercoagulable presentations are theoretically possible. Race: Racial predilection does not appear to exist for this type of toxicity. Sex: No significant difference between sexes is apparent for this toxicity. Age: Warfarin exposures, acute and chronic, are more common in adults than in children. Single exposures to superwarfarins are more common in children than in adults and generally are accidental ingestions. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill something. |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:10:42 +0000, Jack Hammer
wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:40:49 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:32:53 +0000, Jack Hammer wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message . .. Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! eh? See what I mean! That you are a village idiot? Perhaps. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:12:58 +0000, Jack Hammer
wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill something. Do a google search and find a site that gives pain as a symptom of warfarin poisoning. I did before I posted my first reply. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill something. |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:10:42 +0000, Jack Hammer
wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:40:49 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:32:53 +0000, Jack Hammer wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message . .. Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! eh? See what I mean! That you are a village idiot? Perhaps. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:12:58 +0000, Jack Hammer
wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill something. Do a google search and find a site that gives pain as a symptom of warfarin poisoning. I did before I posted my first reply. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:10:42 +0000, Jack Hammer
wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:40:49 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:32:53 +0000, Jack Hammer wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message . .. Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! eh? See what I mean! That you are a village idiot? Perhaps. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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"Jack Hammer" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill something. Somebody said, "There is no pain involved." and I asked how that waas known. It seems now that there IS pain involved. Now who's the idiot? Mary |
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