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from "Mary Fisher" contains these words: From personal experience, no there is *no* physical pain involved, as I have now stated at least three times. But you haven't consumed enough to kill you ... From Franz's last post I would guess that he has. However, you wouldn't have seen that before you wrote the above. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:08:30 +0000, Jack Hammer
wrote: I just don't believe the dummies coming out of the woodwork on this. Why in the world do you think your medicine dosage of warfarin has any connection at all with the dosage that kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable? You alone have taken village idiots to new heights of ignorance! sheesh...... You seem to be the prime dummy in this thread. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:10:28 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: The message from "Franz Heymann" contains these words: (Always set mousetraps facing the wall too.) Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one hell of a lot less damage than cats. I've had a box of rare books trashed by the little *******s...... They spread crap everywhere and thereby, diseases. Try keeping your house a little cleaner then. Most of us would spot mouse shit long before the messies started chewing our books. |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:17:56 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: The message om from "Dave Liquorice" contains these words: Serious internal bleeding in humans is certainly painful. Not warfarin-induced bleeding. Painful conditiond might have bleeding as a side-effect, but bleeding of itself is not painful. Oh dear me! the troll is on a roll, ignore him folks he is trying to get your backs up. No one can really be that stupid. |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:10:28 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: The message from "Franz Heymann" contains these words: (Always set mousetraps facing the wall too.) Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one hell of a lot less damage than cats. I've had a box of rare books trashed by the little *******s...... They spread crap everywhere and thereby, diseases. Try keeping your house a little cleaner then. Most of us would spot mouse shit long before the messies started chewing our books. |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:17:56 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: The message om from "Dave Liquorice" contains these words: Serious internal bleeding in humans is certainly painful. Not warfarin-induced bleeding. Painful conditiond might have bleeding as a side-effect, but bleeding of itself is not painful. Oh dear me! the troll is on a roll, ignore him folks he is trying to get your backs up. No one can really be that stupid. |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:23:15 +0000, Jack Hammer
wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:17:56 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: The message om from "Dave Liquorice" contains these words: Serious internal bleeding in humans is certainly painful. Not warfarin-induced bleeding. Painful conditiond might have bleeding as a side-effect, but bleeding of itself is not painful. Oh dear me! the troll is on a roll, ignore him folks he is trying to get your backs up. No one can really be that stupid. You are right PLONK! -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:51:14 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: The message from "Mary Fisher" contains these words: From personal experience, no there is *no* physical pain involved, as I have now stated at least three times. But you haven't consumed enough to kill you ... From Franz's last post I would guess that he has. Now that's a pair of boobs we have, guess you now qualify as a couple of tits? Dozy Franz would have consumed a tiny fraction compared to the amount a rodent would consume and die from., we are talking platefuls of the stuff in comparison, so much so there simply is no comparison, no matter how delusional the trolls are! Now get lost you arseholes. |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:31:23 +0100, martin wrote:
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:23:15 +0000, Jack Hammer wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:17:56 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: The message om from "Dave Liquorice" contains these words: Serious internal bleeding in humans is certainly painful. Not warfarin-induced bleeding. Painful conditiond might have bleeding as a side-effect, but bleeding of itself is not painful. Oh dear me! the troll is on a roll, ignore him folks he is trying to get your backs up. No one can really be that stupid. You are right PLONK! How totally original and so scarey. This of course explains why the village idiots really are so dumb! Do you have one of those electronic zappers that make the bomb sounds, on your tricycle to blast anyone who gets in your way? my two year old does, imagine what fun he'll have when he discovers the dreaded PLONK to eliminate the world of nasty people! |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:08:21 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: The message from "Mary Fisher" contains these words: The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? Plenty of people have died, or been poisoned as a result of ingesting Warfarin, and they have been able to describe the effects. ANd where did you see that? Indeed, it is used in medicine in small doses to thin the blood in certain conditions. My mother took it after having a stroke. How does the village idiot relate that to the amount needed to kill a rodent in three or four days? |
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On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:08:21 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: The message from "Mary Fisher" contains these words: The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? Plenty of people have died, or been poisoned as a result of ingesting Warfarin, and they have been able to describe the effects. ANd where did you see that? Indeed, it is used in medicine in small doses to thin the blood in certain conditions. My mother took it after having a stroke. How does the village idiot relate that to the amount needed to kill a rodent in three or four days? |
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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message et... If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill something. Somebody said, "There is no pain involved." and I asked how that was known. It seems now that there IS pain involved. From personal experience, no there is *no* physical pain involved, as I have now stated at least three times. But you haven't consumed enough to kill you ... I had reached the verge of a coma without feeling any physical pain. Had I actually become comatose, I would no longer have been able to feel any further pain. {:-(( [snip] Franz |
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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message et... If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill something. Somebody said, "There is no pain involved." and I asked how that was known. It seems now that there IS pain involved. From personal experience, no there is *no* physical pain involved, as I have now stated at least three times. But you haven't consumed enough to kill you ... I had reached the verge of a coma without feeling any physical pain. Had I actually become comatose, I would no longer have been able to feel any further pain. {:-(( [snip] Franz |
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"Jack Hammer" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:32:03 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:37:15 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill something. Somebody said, "There is no pain involved." and I asked how that waas known. It seems now that there IS pain involved. Precisely. Now who's the idiot? The one who thinks there is no pain involved because grandad uses it to ease a heart condition! It does not "ease a heart condition" and I have not ever heard it being used for that. *I*, not my granddad, have been using warfarin daily for more than a dozen years. *I* did once, by mistake, overuse it suffiently to be able to state categorically that there is no physical pain involved before a coma sets in. I just don't believe the dummies coming out of the woodwork on this. Why in the world do you think your medicine dosage of warfarin has any connection at all with the dosage that kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable? You alone have taken village idiots to new heights of ignorance! sheesh...... Repeating nonsense ad inf does not convert it into a truth. I have provided you with the evidence that I experience no physical pain when I had taken enough Warfarin to take me to the verge of a coma. Had I had any more, the most likely outcome would have been that I would have become comatose quite soon, and would have died of brain haemorrage quite soon after that. At what time would I have experienced this horrendously painful death of which you keep talking? Now I ask you provide the evidence that an overdose of warfarin "kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable" Franz |
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"Jack Hammer" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:32:03 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:37:15 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill something. Somebody said, "There is no pain involved." and I asked how that waas known. It seems now that there IS pain involved. Precisely. Now who's the idiot? The one who thinks there is no pain involved because grandad uses it to ease a heart condition! It does not "ease a heart condition" and I have not ever heard it being used for that. *I*, not my granddad, have been using warfarin daily for more than a dozen years. *I* did once, by mistake, overuse it suffiently to be able to state categorically that there is no physical pain involved before a coma sets in. I just don't believe the dummies coming out of the woodwork on this. Why in the world do you think your medicine dosage of warfarin has any connection at all with the dosage that kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable? You alone have taken village idiots to new heights of ignorance! sheesh...... Repeating nonsense ad inf does not convert it into a truth. I have provided you with the evidence that I experience no physical pain when I had taken enough Warfarin to take me to the verge of a coma. Had I had any more, the most likely outcome would have been that I would have become comatose quite soon, and would have died of brain haemorrage quite soon after that. At what time would I have experienced this horrendously painful death of which you keep talking? Now I ask you provide the evidence that an overdose of warfarin "kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable" Franz |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from "Franz Heymann" contains these words: (Always set mousetraps facing the wall too.) Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one hell of a lot less damage than cats. I've had a box of rare books trashed by the little *******s...... They spread crap everywhere and thereby, diseases. You're still alive ... Mary -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message et... If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill something. Somebody said, "There is no pain involved." and I asked how that was known. It seems now that there IS pain involved. From personal experience, no there is *no* physical pain involved, as I have now stated at least three times. But you haven't consumed enough to kill you ... I had reached the verge of a coma without feeling any physical pain. Had I actually become comatose, I would no longer have been able to feel any further pain. {:-(( [snip] Franz |
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"Jack Hammer" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:32:03 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:37:15 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill something. Somebody said, "There is no pain involved." and I asked how that waas known. It seems now that there IS pain involved. Precisely. Now who's the idiot? The one who thinks there is no pain involved because grandad uses it to ease a heart condition! It does not "ease a heart condition" and I have not ever heard it being used for that. *I*, not my granddad, have been using warfarin daily for more than a dozen years. *I* did once, by mistake, overuse it suffiently to be able to state categorically that there is no physical pain involved before a coma sets in. I just don't believe the dummies coming out of the woodwork on this. Why in the world do you think your medicine dosage of warfarin has any connection at all with the dosage that kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable? You alone have taken village idiots to new heights of ignorance! sheesh...... Repeating nonsense ad inf does not convert it into a truth. I have provided you with the evidence that I experience no physical pain when I had taken enough Warfarin to take me to the verge of a coma. Had I had any more, the most likely outcome would have been that I would have become comatose quite soon, and would have died of brain haemorrage quite soon after that. At what time would I have experienced this horrendously painful death of which you keep talking? Now I ask you provide the evidence that an overdose of warfarin "kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable" Franz |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from "Franz Heymann" contains these words: (Always set mousetraps facing the wall too.) Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one hell of a lot less damage than cats. I've had a box of rare books trashed by the little *******s...... They spread crap everywhere and thereby, diseases. You're still alive ... Mary -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from "Mary Fisher" contains these words: The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? Plenty of people have died, or been poisoned as a result of ingesting Warfarin, and they have been able to describe the effects. Good Heavens! Voices from the dead! Mary Indeed, it is used in medicine in small doses to thin the blood in certain conditions. My mother took it after having a stroke. You don't say. Mary -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from "Mary Fisher" contains these words: The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? Plenty of people have died, or been poisoned as a result of ingesting Warfarin, and they have been able to describe the effects. Good Heavens! Voices from the dead! Mary Indeed, it is used in medicine in small doses to thin the blood in certain conditions. My mother took it after having a stroke. You don't say. Mary -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from "Mary Fisher" contains these words: The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? Plenty of people have died, or been poisoned as a result of ingesting Warfarin, and they have been able to describe the effects. Good Heavens! Voices from the dead! Mary Indeed, it is used in medicine in small doses to thin the blood in certain conditions. My mother took it after having a stroke. You don't say. Mary -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from "Mary Fisher" contains these words: The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? Plenty of people have died, or been poisoned as a result of ingesting Warfarin, and they have been able to describe the effects. Good Heavens! Voices from the dead! Mary Indeed, it is used in medicine in small doses to thin the blood in certain conditions. My mother took it after having a stroke. You don't say. Mary -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from "Mary Fisher" contains these words: The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? Plenty of people have died, or been poisoned as a result of ingesting Warfarin, and they have been able to describe the effects. Good Heavens! Voices from the dead! Mary Indeed, it is used in medicine in small doses to thin the blood in certain conditions. My mother took it after having a stroke. You don't say. Mary -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:15:08 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:32:03 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: Now I ask you provide the evidence that an overdose of warfarin "kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable" PLONK him Franz. The guy is a troll. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Jack Hammer" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:32:03 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:37:15 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill something. Somebody said, "There is no pain involved." and I asked how that waas known. It seems now that there IS pain involved. Precisely. Now who's the idiot? The one who thinks there is no pain involved because grandad uses it to ease a heart condition! It does not "ease a heart condition" and I have not ever heard it being used for that. *I*, not my granddad, have been using warfarin daily for more than a dozen years. *I* did once, by mistake, overuse it suffiently to be able to state categorically that there is no physical pain involved before a coma sets in. I just don't believe the dummies coming out of the woodwork on this. Why in the world do you think your medicine dosage of warfarin has any connection at all with the dosage that kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable? You alone have taken village idiots to new heights of ignorance! sheesh...... Repeating nonsense ad inf does not convert it into a truth. Quite. So you might as well stop repeating yourself :-) I have provided you with the evidence that I experience no physical pain when I had taken enough Warfarin to take me to the verge of a coma. You have not provided evidence. You've given anecdotal accounts ad nauseam of what you say is your experience. That's neither evidence nor proof. Over and out. Had I had any more, the most likely outcome would have been that I would have become comatose quite soon, and would have died of brain haemorrage quite soon after that. At what time would I have experienced this horrendously painful death of which you keep talking? Now I ask you provide the evidence that an overdose of warfarin "kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable" I didn't say that, I merely asked how it was known that it would be a painsless death. I might easily have asked how it was known that it would be an horrendous death. Mary Franz |
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"Jack Hammer" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:10:28 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: The message from "Franz Heymann" contains these words: (Always set mousetraps facing the wall too.) Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one hell of a lot less damage than cats. I've had a box of rare books trashed by the little *******s...... They spread crap everywhere and thereby, diseases. Try keeping your house a little cleaner then. Most of us would spot mouse shit long before the messies started chewing our books. I must admit that I thought the same ... Mary |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:18:50 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from "Franz Heymann" contains these words: (Always set mousetraps facing the wall too.) Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one hell of a lot less damage than cats. I've had a box of rare books trashed by the little *******s...... They spread crap everywhere and thereby, diseases. You're still alive ... .... not all diseases are fatal. Dog crap carries a parasite that leads to blindness, but does not kill. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:25:01 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... Repeating nonsense ad inf does not convert it into a truth. Quite. So you might as well stop repeating yourself :-) I have provided you with the evidence that I experience no physical pain when I had taken enough Warfarin to take me to the verge of a coma. You have not provided evidence. Of course he has. Franz is the evidence. You've given anecdotal accounts ad nauseam of what you say is your experience. That's neither evidence nor proof. Franz gave first hand evidence. That is not anecdotal, but fact. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:15:08 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:32:03 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: Now I ask you provide the evidence that an overdose of warfarin "kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable" PLONK him Franz. The guy is a troll. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Jack Hammer" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:32:03 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:37:15 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill something. Somebody said, "There is no pain involved." and I asked how that waas known. It seems now that there IS pain involved. Precisely. Now who's the idiot? The one who thinks there is no pain involved because grandad uses it to ease a heart condition! It does not "ease a heart condition" and I have not ever heard it being used for that. *I*, not my granddad, have been using warfarin daily for more than a dozen years. *I* did once, by mistake, overuse it suffiently to be able to state categorically that there is no physical pain involved before a coma sets in. I just don't believe the dummies coming out of the woodwork on this. Why in the world do you think your medicine dosage of warfarin has any connection at all with the dosage that kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable? You alone have taken village idiots to new heights of ignorance! sheesh...... Repeating nonsense ad inf does not convert it into a truth. Quite. So you might as well stop repeating yourself :-) I have provided you with the evidence that I experience no physical pain when I had taken enough Warfarin to take me to the verge of a coma. You have not provided evidence. You've given anecdotal accounts ad nauseam of what you say is your experience. That's neither evidence nor proof. Over and out. Had I had any more, the most likely outcome would have been that I would have become comatose quite soon, and would have died of brain haemorrage quite soon after that. At what time would I have experienced this horrendously painful death of which you keep talking? Now I ask you provide the evidence that an overdose of warfarin "kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable" I didn't say that, I merely asked how it was known that it would be a painsless death. I might easily have asked how it was known that it would be an horrendous death. Mary Franz |
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"Jack Hammer" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 22:10:28 GMT, Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: The message from "Franz Heymann" contains these words: (Always set mousetraps facing the wall too.) Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one hell of a lot less damage than cats. I've had a box of rare books trashed by the little *******s...... They spread crap everywhere and thereby, diseases. Try keeping your house a little cleaner then. Most of us would spot mouse shit long before the messies started chewing our books. I must admit that I thought the same ... Mary |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:18:50 -0000, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message ... The message from "Franz Heymann" contains these words: (Always set mousetraps facing the wall too.) Why trap them? It does not cost much to feed them well and they do one hell of a lot less damage than cats. I've had a box of rare books trashed by the little *******s...... They spread crap everywhere and thereby, diseases. You're still alive ... .... not all diseases are fatal. Dog crap carries a parasite that leads to blindness, but does not kill. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:15:08 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:32:03 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: Now I ask you provide the evidence that an overdose of warfarin "kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable" PLONK him Franz. The guy is a troll. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
found a mouse in my loft!
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:15:08 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:32:03 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: Now I ask you provide the evidence that an overdose of warfarin "kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable" PLONK him Franz. The guy is a troll. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
found a mouse in my loft!
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:15:08 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:32:03 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: Now I ask you provide the evidence that an overdose of warfarin "kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable" PLONK him Franz. The guy is a troll. -- Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad |
found a mouse in my loft!
"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Jack Hammer" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:32:03 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:37:15 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill something. Somebody said, "There is no pain involved." and I asked how that waas known. It seems now that there IS pain involved. Precisely. Now who's the idiot? The one who thinks there is no pain involved because grandad uses it to ease a heart condition! It does not "ease a heart condition" and I have not ever heard it being used for that. *I*, not my granddad, have been using warfarin daily for more than a dozen years. *I* did once, by mistake, overuse it suffiently to be able to state categorically that there is no physical pain involved before a coma sets in. I just don't believe the dummies coming out of the woodwork on this. Why in the world do you think your medicine dosage of warfarin has any connection at all with the dosage that kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable? You alone have taken village idiots to new heights of ignorance! sheesh...... Repeating nonsense ad inf does not convert it into a truth. Quite. So you might as well stop repeating yourself :-) I have provided you with the evidence that I experience no physical pain when I had taken enough Warfarin to take me to the verge of a coma. You have not provided evidence. You've given anecdotal accounts ad nauseam of what you say is your experience. That's neither evidence nor proof. Over and out. Had I had any more, the most likely outcome would have been that I would have become comatose quite soon, and would have died of brain haemorrage quite soon after that. At what time would I have experienced this horrendously painful death of which you keep talking? Now I ask you provide the evidence that an overdose of warfarin "kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable" I didn't say that, I merely asked how it was known that it would be a painsless death. I might easily have asked how it was known that it would be an horrendous death. Mary Franz |
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"Franz Heymann" wrote in message ... "Jack Hammer" wrote in message ... On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:32:03 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:37:15 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:47:21 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jack Hammer" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:14:03 +0100, martin wrote: On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:10:32 -0000, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message .. . Warfarin-based poisons are not particularly unpleasant. The victims just get weaker and weaker and lapse into a coma. The Warfarin tends to prevent the blood clotting, and the passage of food down the gut abrades the villi (a design feature to allow nutrients to be absorbed through the walls of the blood vessels) and the animal loses blood internally, and weakens and dies. There is no pain involved. How do you know? because it's used in humans as an anti clotting agent. The village idiot mentality is astounding! That sounds like the voice of experience. Using a substance medicinally is not the same as using it to kill. If you fed enough Warfarin to a human to kill him would it cause pain? Yes. It is a slow and agonizing death, rat or man would bleed to death from the inside. The fact that very minute doses of poison are used very successfully in medicine has nothing to do with it's use to kill something. Somebody said, "There is no pain involved." and I asked how that waas known. It seems now that there IS pain involved. Precisely. Now who's the idiot? The one who thinks there is no pain involved because grandad uses it to ease a heart condition! It does not "ease a heart condition" and I have not ever heard it being used for that. *I*, not my granddad, have been using warfarin daily for more than a dozen years. *I* did once, by mistake, overuse it suffiently to be able to state categorically that there is no physical pain involved before a coma sets in. I just don't believe the dummies coming out of the woodwork on this. Why in the world do you think your medicine dosage of warfarin has any connection at all with the dosage that kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable? You alone have taken village idiots to new heights of ignorance! sheesh...... Repeating nonsense ad inf does not convert it into a truth. Quite. So you might as well stop repeating yourself :-) I have provided you with the evidence that I experience no physical pain when I had taken enough Warfarin to take me to the verge of a coma. You have not provided evidence. You've given anecdotal accounts ad nauseam of what you say is your experience. That's neither evidence nor proof. Over and out. Had I had any more, the most likely outcome would have been that I would have become comatose quite soon, and would have died of brain haemorrage quite soon after that. At what time would I have experienced this horrendously painful death of which you keep talking? Now I ask you provide the evidence that an overdose of warfarin "kills rodents in the most horrendous manner imaginable" I didn't say that, I merely asked how it was known that it would be a painsless death. I might easily have asked how it was known that it would be an horrendous death. Mary Franz |
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