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wrote in message ... Hello, I bought a mandarin orange plant and a grapefruit plant in the summer. Unfortunately when I went away, they were either over watered or under watered, because when I came back, they dropped their leaves. After a little dormant period, they have started to shoot again. I looked closer today and see that they are shooting from the bottom of the "trunk". Now I should explain that I am new to all this (if that wasn't obvious already). Three quarters of the way up the trunk there is a faint diagonal line, so I am wondering if this is the graft? I have read some books and they say when repotting citrus, to make sure the graft is above soil level. Reading that made me think the graft was quite low, so I'm not sure; these are a foot high. Does the graft rise as the plant grows? I know apples for example are grafted. I hadn't realised citrus was. The thing is, these new shoots are below, what I think may be the graft. Without waiting months for them to flower and fruit, do you think that what I am growing is not what I am expecting? What are citrus grafted onto (and why?). Is this the best place to ask citrus questions? I saw a couple of UK gardening groups in Usenet but this seemed the biggest. I thought I would ask here before posting to the international rec.gardening group. I visited yahoo groups but that found 120 groups matching "citrus" though most seemed to have nothing to do with fruit! The ones that did had only 5-7 members! Thanks for your help. I have been in contact with my brother in South Africa, one of whose friends, Ferdi Esselen, owns what is said to be the largest citrus nursery in the world, at Mamalene, Mpumalanga. According to him, the general practice nowadays is not to graft, but to bud all citrus trees. The stock is cut off flat at about 15 cm above ground level, and is budded at that level. The bud-level does rise very slowly over time by a matter of centimetres only. I wonder if the OP's trees were deliberately budded or (unlikely?) grafted high up specifically to make specimen standards. Franz |
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wrote in message ... Hello, I bought a mandarin orange plant and a grapefruit plant in the summer. Unfortunately when I went away, they were either over watered or under watered, because when I came back, they dropped their leaves. After a little dormant period, they have started to shoot again. I looked closer today and see that they are shooting from the bottom of the "trunk". Now I should explain that I am new to all this (if that wasn't obvious already). Three quarters of the way up the trunk there is a faint diagonal line, so I am wondering if this is the graft? I have read some books and they say when repotting citrus, to make sure the graft is above soil level. Reading that made me think the graft was quite low, so I'm not sure; these are a foot high. Does the graft rise as the plant grows? I know apples for example are grafted. I hadn't realised citrus was. The thing is, these new shoots are below, what I think may be the graft. Without waiting months for them to flower and fruit, do you think that what I am growing is not what I am expecting? What are citrus grafted onto (and why?). Is this the best place to ask citrus questions? I saw a couple of UK gardening groups in Usenet but this seemed the biggest. I thought I would ask here before posting to the international rec.gardening group. I visited yahoo groups but that found 120 groups matching "citrus" though most seemed to have nothing to do with fruit! The ones that did had only 5-7 members! Thanks for your help. I have been in contact with my brother in South Africa, one of whose friends, Ferdi Esselen, owns what is said to be the largest citrus nursery in the world, at Mamalene, Mpumalanga. According to him, the general practice nowadays is not to graft, but to bud all citrus trees. The stock is cut off flat at about 15 cm above ground level, and is budded at that level. The bud-level does rise very slowly over time by a matter of centimetres only. I wonder if the OP's trees were deliberately budded or (unlikely?) grafted high up specifically to make specimen standards. Franz |
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On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:09:02 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: I wonder if the OP's trees were deliberately budded or (unlikely?) grafted high up specifically to make specimen standards. Hi. I was the OP. I do not think they were grafted anymore because there is not a bulge like there is on say, an apple tree, which grafted. Forgive my ignorance, I'm new to this, what is budding? |
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:10:03 +0000, Pam Moore
wrote: I bought a citrus mitis in flower from Ikea last year. As the small fruit developed I found a lemon forming on a twig from just below the obvious graft. What did the graft look like? I'm trying to tell if I have one. |
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On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:09:02 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann"
wrote: I wonder if the OP's trees were deliberately budded or (unlikely?) grafted high up specifically to make specimen standards. Hi. I was the OP. I do not think they were grafted anymore because there is not a bulge like there is on say, an apple tree, which grafted. Forgive my ignorance, I'm new to this, what is budding? |
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On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:10:03 +0000, Pam Moore
wrote: I bought a citrus mitis in flower from Ikea last year. As the small fruit developed I found a lemon forming on a twig from just below the obvious graft. What did the graft look like? I'm trying to tell if I have one. |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:09:02 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: I wonder if the OP's trees were deliberately budded or (unlikely?) grafted high up specifically to make specimen standards. Hi. I was the OP. I do not think they were grafted anymore because there is not a bulge like there is on say, an apple tree, which grafted. Forgive my ignorance, I'm new to this, what is budding? Prune the stock (The plant whose roots you want to utilise) right off. Usually 1" or so above the ground in the case of a rose, and about 6" in the case of a citrus plant. Slice off a few healthy growing buds from the desired plant, including a heel. Make "T" incisions in the bark of the stock, gently peel back the bark and insert the bud. Repeat for as many buds as you want to put in, and bandage the wound with raffia or suchlike. Make sure there are no growth buds of the stock left below the point at which the desired buds were inserted. In the case of roses, I have never discovered any horticultural reason for budding, except that it means that on a commercial scale, you can produce a large number off budded plants from one mother plant. I have always had reasonable success in propagating my roses from cuttings. This might mean a longer waiting time for first flowering, but it has the advantage that the plants are on their own roots and there is no bother with unwanted growth from below a bud or graft. Franz |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:09:02 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: I wonder if the OP's trees were deliberately budded or (unlikely?) grafted high up specifically to make specimen standards. Hi. I was the OP. I do not think they were grafted anymore because there is not a bulge like there is on say, an apple tree, which grafted. Forgive my ignorance, I'm new to this, what is budding? Prune the stock (The plant whose roots you want to utilise) right off. Usually 1" or so above the ground in the case of a rose, and about 6" in the case of a citrus plant. Slice off a few healthy growing buds from the desired plant, including a heel. Make "T" incisions in the bark of the stock, gently peel back the bark and insert the bud. Repeat for as many buds as you want to put in, and bandage the wound with raffia or suchlike. Make sure there are no growth buds of the stock left below the point at which the desired buds were inserted. In the case of roses, I have never discovered any horticultural reason for budding, except that it means that on a commercial scale, you can produce a large number off budded plants from one mother plant. I have always had reasonable success in propagating my roses from cuttings. This might mean a longer waiting time for first flowering, but it has the advantage that the plants are on their own roots and there is no bother with unwanted growth from below a bud or graft. Franz |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:09:02 +0000 (UTC), "Franz Heymann" wrote: I wonder if the OP's trees were deliberately budded or (unlikely?) grafted high up specifically to make specimen standards. Hi. I was the OP. I do not think they were grafted anymore because there is not a bulge like there is on say, an apple tree, which grafted. Forgive my ignorance, I'm new to this, what is budding? Prune the stock (The plant whose roots you want to utilise) right off. Usually 1" or so above the ground in the case of a rose, and about 6" in the case of a citrus plant. Slice off a few healthy growing buds from the desired plant, including a heel. Make "T" incisions in the bark of the stock, gently peel back the bark and insert the bud. Repeat for as many buds as you want to put in, and bandage the wound with raffia or suchlike. Make sure there are no growth buds of the stock left below the point at which the desired buds were inserted. In the case of roses, I have never discovered any horticultural reason for budding, except that it means that on a commercial scale, you can produce a large number off budded plants from one mother plant. I have always had reasonable success in propagating my roses from cuttings. This might mean a longer waiting time for first flowering, but it has the advantage that the plants are on their own roots and there is no bother with unwanted growth from below a bud or graft. Franz |
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from contains these words: Hi. I was the OP. I do not think they were grafted anymore because there is not a bulge like there is on say, an apple tree, which grafted. Forgive my ignorance, I'm new to this, what is budding? A slit is cut in the bark of the host stock. Sometimes this is a straight cut, other times a 'T'. A bud is removed from a tree of the desired variety, still attached to a small piece of bark. The sliver/square/ellipse of bark is slipped beneath the bark slit, and the wound bound up with waxed cord or with tape. The bud grows into a twig and the wood above the budding is removed. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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The message
from contains these words: Hi. I was the OP. I do not think they were grafted anymore because there is not a bulge like there is on say, an apple tree, which grafted. Forgive my ignorance, I'm new to this, what is budding? A slit is cut in the bark of the host stock. Sometimes this is a straight cut, other times a 'T'. A bud is removed from a tree of the desired variety, still attached to a small piece of bark. The sliver/square/ellipse of bark is slipped beneath the bark slit, and the wound bound up with waxed cord or with tape. The bud grows into a twig and the wood above the budding is removed. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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from contains these words: On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:10:03 +0000, Pam Moore wrote: I bought a citrus mitis in flower from Ikea last year. As the small fruit developed I found a lemon forming on a twig from just below the obvious graft. What did the graft look like? I'm trying to tell if I have one. Tends to look like | | or | | or sometimes | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |__| | /| |\/| ( ) |/ | | | |¯¯| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | All usually have a scar over where the cut ends join. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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from contains these words: On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:10:03 +0000, Pam Moore wrote: I bought a citrus mitis in flower from Ikea last year. As the small fruit developed I found a lemon forming on a twig from just below the obvious graft. What did the graft look like? I'm trying to tell if I have one. Tends to look like | | or | | or sometimes | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |__| | /| |\/| ( ) |/ | | | |¯¯| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | All usually have a scar over where the cut ends join. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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The message
from contains these words: On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 10:10:03 +0000, Pam Moore wrote: I bought a citrus mitis in flower from Ikea last year. As the small fruit developed I found a lemon forming on a twig from just below the obvious graft. What did the graft look like? I'm trying to tell if I have one. Tends to look like | | or | | or sometimes | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |__| | /| |\/| ( ) |/ | | | |¯¯| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | All usually have a scar over where the cut ends join. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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