"mich" wrote in message
...

You wrote too much.
Do you really believe that anybody will pay any attention to your
mouthings other than in the tone I am displaying here?

Franz

On 30/8/04 2:34 pm, in article , "Mike"
wrote:




I'm damned if I see the need to remain unfailingly polite in the face of
rudeness from others.


So if somebody swore at you, you would lower yourself to their level and
swear back?

I know of a past 'Manager' who did that.

One should lead by example, bring them up to your standard.

Mike


Which will mean that you'll stop trying to stir things up then Mike?
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

In article , mich
writes

"Mike" wrote in message
...



I'm damned if I see the need to remain unfailingly polite in the face of
rudeness from others.


So if somebody swore at you, you would lower yourself to their level and
swear back?

No. Just as in this thread I didn't hurl back insults such as had been
thrown at me.

--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

In article , mich
writes
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

No I didnt loose sight of who posted what.
Your sig is above isnt it Kay?

That was not the quotation you appeared to be commenting on. If it was
that sig that you meant, the context of your comment suggests you
understand it in a different way from me.

--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

So if somebody swore at you, you would lower yourself to their level and
swear back?

I know of a past 'Manager' who did that.

One should lead by example, bring them up to your standard.

Mike


Which will mean that you'll stop trying to stir things up then Mike?
--

I take it you agree that people should be able to swear and use bad language
at you and not bring it to their attention, that it is the language of the
gutter?

"I think not"

Have you seen me swear?

No. So why should I accept people swearing at me?

Language of the gutter and proof that they do not comprehend the English
Language.

Channel 2 @ 9.00pm. I have read the write up on pages 66 and 68 of the Radio
Times. By the looks of things, not the sort of children to be proud of, and
as a female, I guess you are not toooo pleased at their being a member of
your sex.

And in case any newbie thinks I am a 'goodie goodie' doesn't swear, drink,
smoke or gamble you are wrong. I have served in the Royal Navy, and worked
in Shipyards and on Building Sites. There is a place for everything, and
swearing in public is a no no and I regard these newsgroups as VERY public.

You will now pull that to pieces Sacha, but that is your way with those
'outside' the 'inner circle' of uk.rec.gardening.

Mike
Who doesn't knowingly tell lies

I'm damned if I see the need to remain unfailingly polite in the face
of
rudeness from others.


So if somebody swore at you, you would lower yourself to their level
and
swear back?

No. Just as in this thread I didn't hurl back insults such as had been
thrown at me.

--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"


but by your own admission, you failed to stay polite.

What do you do if you are passing through a doorway and then hold it open
for the people coming or going through next and fail to say 'Thank you',
accept that as 'the norm' and do the same thing yourself next time? Thus
lowering your standards to theirs?

Why not bring them up in the world with some manners?

"I'm sorry, what was that you said?"
'I didn't say anything'
"Oh, I thought you said Thank you"

As I walked into a Pedestrian Precinct, I saw a lady sitting on a seat ahead
of me drop something, "Excuse me, I think you have dropped something" and
pointed to it
'Oh it's only rubbish'
"Would it not be a good idea to put it in the Rubbish bin AT THE END OF THE
SEAT?"

she picked it up and put it in the bin.

Only one thing I am ashamed to say about this case.

She was about my age. :-(( Should have known better.

Do you, or Sacha, just drop your litter where you finish with it?

"I think not"

so why accept it from others?

and before you jump back and shout abuse at me,
..
..
..
..
..

think of what I am saying

Mike

If only life was that simple.


Life is as complicated as YOU wish to make it

Mike

On 30/8/04 4:41 pm, in article , "Mike"
wrote:

snip
You will now pull that to pieces Sacha, but that is your way with those
'outside' the 'inner circle' of uk.rec.gardening.

I don't know of any inner circle in urg but I do know that if there is a bad
situation which has nothing to do with you, you can never resist jumping in
to make it worse. As you are doing now.
Kay has been rude to nobody but somebody who can't be bothered to observe
the group or find out anything about it - apparently - has been rather rude
to her. And you, being in a minority of one and with a personal axe to
grind, simply have to egg them on.
WHEN you can contribute as much to this group as Kay does, which is of
interest and use to the group, you might be in a position to comment
usefully on the posts of the *gardening* people here. It will, of course,
then be a cold and snowy day in Hell but I'm sure we can wait.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...

"mich" wrote in message
...

You wrote too much.
Do you really believe that anybody will pay any attention to your
mouthings other than in the tone I am displaying here?

Franz

Frankly, I think your tone says far more about you than it does me.

"Mike" wrote in message
...



I'm damned if I see the need to remain unfailingly polite in the
face of
rudeness from others.


So if somebody swore at you, you would lower yourself to their level
and
swear back?

No. Never. I swear back at them from on high.

Franz

"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in message
...
The message
from "jakell" contains these words:


When newsgroups are created, the proposers have to present a
democratically-agreed charter for that group which lays down the ground
rules of what the group is for, and whether it's a binary, or non-binary
group.This group, like many others, was set up as a non-binary one (no
pictures).Competent isps and newsreaders, comply with those Usenet
conventions by stripping binary posts sent to non-binary groups.
Reputable isps include "compliance with Usenet charters" in their
clients' conditions of service; in other words clients who repeatedly
abuse usenet, often get their account terminated by the isp.

None of my isp's or newsreaders must be reputable then g
I have three and it came through clearly on all of them g


But frankly, cutting the chase on all of this. There was no need for the
initial responses made to the OP!
They were hurtful and unnecessary.
Thats my opinion. I am entitled to it as much as you are to yours ( all of
you) and I have no intention of replying further to any posts here.

Thus Baraclough does spake!!

All ye shall heed what Baraclough does spake!!

..
..
..
..

(Did wonder when she was going to pop up)

Thus Sacha shall spake unto us also!!

The terrible twins.
Baraclough and Sacha.

There is no North and South divide for as long as Devon and the Scottish
Isles shall speak 'Area unto area'

(With apologies to BBC 'Nation shall speak unto Nation' sorry if you are not
old enough to appreciated when manners were of somewhat important, and we
who live, or try to live by those standards are sat on)

Tin Hats on everybody, Baraclough and Sacha will now fire broadsides..

:-)) Have a nice day :-))

Would Mabbett care to make a contribution?????????????

It was "Cerumin's" closing comment on his original reply that prompted me to
reply, athought I did think it would go through the ng...another silly
mistake, but I will learn. He said the whole post had been deleted
"thankfully"-aren't learners allowed mistakes without being held up to
ridicule. Thanks to all who responded in a civilised manner.
"Janet Baraclough.." wrote in message
...
The message
from "jakell" contains these words:

please see enclosed reply I sent to "Cerumin", I didn't think it was bad
enough to earn his response, but if my manner of writting is not what is
expected at groups, I would appreciate any advice people can give.

You emailed to Chris;

I'm sorry that you think blocking a picture of a plant is so great.
Being
a
novice to computing I was unaware of the restrictions on getting
information
from what appeared to be a group on gardening, which afterall is a
mainly
visual experience. How stupid of me.

The users of this newsgroup do not make the rules which govern the
creation of Usenet groups.

When newsgroups are created, the proposers have to present a
democratically-agreed charter for that group which lays down the ground
rules of what the group is for, and whether it's a binary, or non-binary
group.This group, like many others, was set up as a non-binary one (no
pictures).Competent isps and newsreaders, comply with those Usenet
conventions by stripping binary posts sent to non-binary groups.
Reputable isps include "compliance with Usenet charters" in their
clients' conditions of service; in other words clients who repeatedly
abuse usenet, often get their account terminated by the isp.

That's one reason why it's important for you to understand how usenet
works.

How to present posts, what kind are allowed, and how to get the best
from the group, is all explained in an easy to understand welcome post
that appears every week, called abc for newcomers. (It isn't called that
to be patronising, but to make sure it appears at the top of alphabetic
post listings).

Having been given straight information that you had posted something
we can't see, it was even sillier of you to compound it by haranguing
Chris in private email as if it was his fault.

It's not his personal choice to reject your picture, any more than he
decided you need a licence for vehicle driving and should drive on the
left. This is just the normal accepted convention that keeps usenet
traffic flowing and works to everyone's benefit.

Janet.

aren't learners allowed mistakes without being held up to
ridicule.

Not in this newsgroup with so many experts and net nannies watching over you
:-((

"Mike" wrote in message
...

[snip the nonsense]

Quit preaching.

Franz

"Mike" wrote in message
...

[snip]

And in case any newbie thinks I am a 'goodie goodie' doesn't swear,
drink,
smoke or gamble you are wrong. I have served in the Royal Navy, and
worked
in Shipyards and on Building Sites. There is a place for everything,
and
swearing in public is a no no and I regard these newsgroups as VERY
public.

Good for you. Now go away.

Franz

[snip the nonsense]


Advice to make the world a nicer place, certainly not nonsense, unless you
are unable to comprehend.


Quit preaching.

Preaching? "I think not"


Franz


Mike
Have a nice day, I will :-))

"mich" wrote in message
...

"Franz Heymann" wrote in message
...

"mich" wrote in message
...

You wrote too much.
Do you really believe that anybody will pay any attention to your
mouthings other than in the tone I am displaying here?

Franz

Frankly, I think your tone says far more about you than it does me.

Of course it does. I intend it to do so.

Franz

Good for you. Now go away.

Franz


Ah! A new net nanny?

By whose authority do you tell me to go away?

"mich" wrote in message
...

[snip]

But frankly, cutting the chase on all of this. There was no need
for the
initial responses made to the OP!
They were hurtful and unnecessary.
Thats my opinion. I am entitled to it as much as you are to yours
( all of
you) and I have no intention of replying further to any posts here.

What an excellent decision!

Franz

In message , Martin
writes

**** off troll. We don't like net nannys here.


Why the need to cross-post - and engorge your meagre posts with
meaningless unoriginal gibberish? Inadequate in some other area(s), one
can only presume.

Looking at your choice of crossposting, it appears you just can't cope
with the idea that there are groups of people actively communicating
with each other about things they want to talk about. Like the spoilt
brat in the playground, you'd rather they all stopped when you realise
your inability to join in.

But of course, that doesn't concern you as you are capable only of
spewing forth bile.

What does "Free speech" mean to you?

It means that you can pose and posture in your inimitable style - well,
imitated only by a few million teenagers just taking their first
faltering steps on the road to maturity.

It means that you don't bother to listen to anyone except your self.

Yes, let's all pay homage to another brave upholder of narcissistic
anarchism.

I guess I shouldn't be responding to such a crap troll, but surely -
even by your own woeful standards of "free speech" - *even* you must
understand that saying you don't want net nannies is... what's the word?
Ah yes, hypocritical. Don't worry - this whole post is pretty much
rhetorical - so don't tax yourself by trying to comprehend. I can see
you need to conserve what little reasoning you might have left.

--
regards andyw

In message , Martin
writes
I must admit responding to you is not very taxing,

Indeed, the quality of your response shows that in spades.

but dont put yourself down.

On the other hand, if you did, you might be able to type more accurately
- and even say something worthwhile..

--
regards andyw

On 30/8/04 7:12 pm, in article , "Mike"
wrote:

snip

Tin Hats on everybody, Baraclough and Sacha will now fire broadsides..

:-)) Have a nice day :-))

Would Mabbett care to make a contribution?????????????



What a cheap bully you are. You never fail to demonstrate that which is the
*only* good thing to be said for you.
Tell us, Mike. Why are you so frightened of women?

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

-- Tell us, Mike. Why are you so frightened of women?


As a male and the superior of the sexes, I am not afraid of the females of
the human race.

On 31/8/04 8:06 am, in article , "Mike"
wrote:



-- Tell us, Mike. Why are you so frightened of women?


As a male and the superior of the sexes, I am not afraid of the females of
the human race.


Your own repetitive behaviour gives the lie to that - men who try to
belittle and bully women into silence or compliance always are.
You're the typical playground bully. You pick on one or two targets -
however innocuous their behaviour - and you try to get the rest of the
'gang' to join in with you. When they don't, you go back to 'behaving'
yourself for a while, until what you see as another opportunity or another
troll presents itself. This is a constant and deeply unattractive pattern
with you and those of us who have been here for a long time know it all too
well. You didn't even have the guts to send me your address when you asked
me for seeds but just sent a post code and your wife's name! The hilarious
thing about that O Cravenly Crowe is that I take the Jersey Weekly Post and
you'd advertised your full address in that just beforehand. At the very
least it made you even more a figure of fun.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

Thank you for that little tirade, I trust that now you have got it off your
chest, you feel a little better.

Now down to my address. Not very observant are you?

Practically EVERY local newspaper in the country prints letters from me with
regards to my Royal Naval activities.

EVERY BBC Local Radio station in the country has my address because of the
many broadcasts I have made in the past.

Again your not very observant, because if you were to do a little search on
the items in my signature, you will not only see a photo of me, but full
details of my address and possibly, but I hope not, my telephone number, and
the only reason I hope my number is not printed, is that I like to receive
mail with the members details which are filed.

Another medium you may wish to observe, is Channel 4 Teletext in the Service
Association sections, and this is in reference to your comment re my Post
Code, (which should have told you that I receive so much mail, that the Post
Office don't need my full address) you will observe two Associations which
are really short in address form 'The Big Cats Association' (appertaining to
some frigates named after Leopards, Jaguars, Pumas and Lynx) No 7 Po36 8PG
and again for the Cathedral Class, again just 7, PO36 8PG

For your information, when I went up to Faslane, the Submarine Base, at the
invitation of the Royal Navy to inspect and spend some time on
H.M.S.Vanguard, our latest Nuke Powered Submarine, I put a letter in the
post to me, addressed "RN Shipmates PO36 8PG" and posted it just outside
the main gate, it arrived.

I would imagine by now, that you realise that the Post Code system is 100%
accurate, because it serves only a few houses or businesses, and the more
mail you receive, the easier it is for the postman, so getting back to you
jibe re my address, it just goes to show that you are not very well read or
informed.

And, as a finale, the Royal Air Force are glad of the help I give them.

I trust you fully understand the above message, but should be in any doubt,
please do not hesitate to contact me by one of the many methods of
communications when are well and truly advertised

:-))

Mike
Have a nice day..... I will :-))


British Pacific Fleet Reunion Birmingham September 17th - 20th
H.M.S.Collingwood Assoc. Mini Reunion Weekend at Coventry Sept 24th - 27th
Nat. Service (RAF) Assoc. AGM & Reunion Hayling Island 8th - 11th October
www.nsrafa.com

On 31/8/04 10:09 am, in article , "Mike"
wrote:

Thank you for that little tirade, I trust that now you have got it off your
chest, you feel a little better.

Well, you clearly don't, judging by the self-justifying and pathetically
boastful rant that followed!

Now down to my address. Not very observant are you?

snip of self-indulgent crap

Sorry, Mike, not interested in your over-weening idea of your importance in
the scheme of ex-servicemen. None of it has to do with this group - all of
it has to do with your ego.
A plague upon it.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

A plague upon it.
--
Sacha

Load of crap snipped, AND the advertising

Anyway, the bit about the plague, isn't the way that has been put, a sort of
curse on me? Isn't that what Witches and Gypsies and do when they are losing
an argument or been put in their place ;-))

Mike

--
British Pacific Fleet Reunion Birmingham September 17th - 20th
H.M.S.Collingwood Assoc. Mini Reunion Weekend at Coventry Sept 24th - 27th
Nat. Service (RAF) Assoc. AGM & Reunion Hayling Island 8th - 11th October
www.nsrafa.com

"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:49:25 +0100, news
wrote:

In message , Martin
writes

**** off troll. We don't like net nannys here.


Why the need to cross-post - and engorge your meagre posts with
meaningless unoriginal gibberish? Inadequate in some other area(s), one
can only presume.

**** off troll and dumb ****ing demon internet pervert mug.

Confusious says "he who swears first has lost the argument"
http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/

On 31/8/04 11:29 am, in article , "Mike"
wrote:

A plague upon it.
--
Sacha

Load of crap snipped, AND the advertising

Anyway, the bit about the plague, isn't the way that has been put, a sort of
curse on me? Isn't that what Witches and Gypsies and do when they are losing
an argument or been put in their place ;-))

Mike

No, it's what we do when insignificant bullies try to kid others into
believing they're Busy & Important people who have a snowball's chance in
hell of putting others in their place. 'bye now, Mike, try to be a good
little matelot (retd.)

--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)

"GOOD GOLLY MISS mOLLY" wrote in
message ...

"Martin" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:49:25 +0100, news
wrote:

In message , Martin
writes

**** off troll. We don't like net nannys here.


Why the need to cross-post - and engorge your meagre posts with
meaningless unoriginal gibberish? Inadequate in some other
area(s), one
can only presume.

**** off troll and dumb ****ing demon internet pervert mug.

Confusious says "he who swears first has lost the argument"
http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/

He's not swearing. It is his mother tongue, judging by the contents
of his reply to you.

Franz