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Hi
I am thinking of attempting to grow bilberries (not blueberries) in my back garden in Oxfordshire. I have a conveniently bricked-round, slightly elevated, area in the back garden of a reasonable size and in a reasonable part-shade/part-sun (depending on time of day) position. From picking bilberries, they generally seem to grow on hills (not necessarily high up), often amongst heather and there is usually a kind of moss over the ground aswell. From this I would conclude that they like moist enviroments and I seem to remember that heather likes a certain soil type, so does that mean bilberries do aswell? If they do require a special soil I was thinking I could dig out a couple of feet of the existing soil and replace it with a soil/compost they like, but would that be enough? Perhaps after diggin out the 2ft of soil I could put an inch of concrete down and then put the favoured soil on top, so that the bilberry roots don't grow down into soil they don't like! Any guidance would be much appreciated. Regards Bigus |
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Bilberries require very acid soil. I think they are similar to heather in
that they can only take nutrient in via a microfungal population on their roots. They used to-maybe still grow on Waldridge Fell near where I lived many years ago in County Durham. Altitude only about 500ft, rainfall c25ins year. I think the main requirement is an impoverished peaty soil pH around 4.5. I live in Devon now via Cheshire and am growing blueberries-billberries are nice, but will be a lot of effort for not very much. The blueberries are in a raised bed brick filled with peat /leaf mold and wood chippings. I feed the blueberries with ericaceous fertiliser and mulch them heavily with wood and bark chippings, which I found out later were recommended. I haven't checked the pH. The underlying soil is a clay pH 6.5. "Bigus" wrote in message ... Hi I am thinking of attempting to grow bilberries (not blueberries) in my back garden in Oxfordshire. I have a conveniently bricked-round, slightly elevated, area in the back garden of a reasonable size and in a reasonable part-shade/part-sun (depending on time of day) position. From picking bilberries, they generally seem to grow on hills (not necessarily high up), often amongst heather and there is usually a kind of moss over the ground aswell. From this I would conclude that they like moist enviroments and I seem to remember that heather likes a certain soil type, so does that mean bilberries do aswell? If they do require a special soil I was thinking I could dig out a couple of feet of the existing soil and replace it with a soil/compost they like, but would that be enough? Perhaps after diggin out the 2ft of soil I could put an inch of concrete down and then put the favoured soil on top, so that the bilberry roots don't grow down into soil they don't like! Any guidance would be much appreciated. Regards Bigus |
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![]() "Bigus" wrote in message ... Hi I am thinking of attempting to grow bilberries (not blueberries) in my back garden in Oxfordshire. snip AFAIK they do not crop very heavily on a 'per plant' basis - at least not in the wild. If you want a useable crop instead of just an interesting specimen plant I think you will need a very large bed. I guess this is why most people grow blueberries instead. Cheers Dave R |
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"david taylor" wrote in message
... Bilberries require very acid soil. I think they are similar to heather in that they can only take nutrient in via a microfungal population on their roots. They used to-maybe still grow on Waldridge Fell near where I lived many years ago in County Durham. Altitude only about 500ft, rainfall c25ins year. I think the main requirement is an impoverished peaty soil pH around 4.5. I live in Devon now via Cheshire and am growing blueberries-billberries are nice, but will be a lot of effort for not very much. The blueberries are in a raised bed brick filled with peat /leaf mold and wood chippings. I feed the blueberries with ericaceous fertiliser and mulch them heavily with wood and bark chippings, which I found out later were recommended. I haven't checked the pH. The underlying soil is a clay pH 6.5. Thanks for the advice.. I found a place - www.dorset-blueberry.co.uk - that supplies blueberry bushes of many different varieties and there are some crossbreeds that apparently have a taste and anti-oxidant level reasonably close to that of bilberries, so I'm thinking of egtting some of those in autumn when their next batch is ready. When you say you have a raised bed filled with peat/leaf mold, what exactly do you mean? That is, do you effectively have a layer of the peat/leaf-mold on top of your normal (clay) soil, with nothing separating the two? If so, how thick is the peat/mold layer? Bigus |
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David W.E. Roberts wrote:
: "Bigus" wrote in message : ... : Hi : : I am thinking of attempting to grow bilberries (not blueberries) in my : back : garden in Oxfordshire. : snip : AFAIK they do not crop very heavily on a 'per plant' basis - at least not in : the wild. : If you want a useable crop instead of just an interesting specimen plant I : think you will need a very large bed. : I guess this is why most people grow blueberries instead. A several years back there was a similar thread on sci.agriculture.fruit and a Czech guy advised growing an edible bushy Lonicera as a bilberry substitute, he even sent me some seed, but never told me the species. Unfortunately I've lost touch with him. But a google search last year found references to Lonicera Kamchatika, some USA nurseries are offering some named varieties and are calling it "Honeyberry". The berries are black and an oval kidney shape, are ripe at end of may early june, and the are a bit reminiscent of bilberries. The bushes are ok in my garden which if anything is slightly alkaline. They took a few years from seed to get to fruit production and last year I managed to collect about 500g of fruit from 6 bushes - hardly huge quantities. I'm hoping there will be more this year. The fruit is bitter if picked too early. I'm not entirely sure how best to propagate - one bush appears to be superior in fruit size and number than the others. I'll need to try cuttings etc. cheers Jim |
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In message , Bigus
writes Hi I am thinking of attempting to grow bilberries (not blueberries) in my back garden in Oxfordshire. I have a conveniently bricked-round, slightly elevated, area in the back garden of a reasonable size and in a reasonable part-shade/part-sun (depending on time of day) position. From picking bilberries, they generally seem to grow on hills (not necessarily high up), often amongst heather and there is usually a kind of moss over the ground aswell. From this I would conclude that they like moist enviroments and I seem to remember that heather likes a certain soil type, so does that mean bilberries do aswell? Yes. They will need acidic ericaceous peat based compost and they may well be fussy about growing at all in a garden - unless it is very windy and you can maintain the right balance of moorland water and drought. You are probably better off growing high bush blueberries, and going out on the moors to harvest free natural bilberries when they are in season. If they do require a special soil I was thinking I could dig out a couple of feet of the existing soil and replace it with a soil/compost they like, but would that be enough? Perhaps after diggin out the 2ft of soil I could put an inch of concrete down and then put the favoured soil on top, so that the bilberry roots don't grow down into soil they don't like! Any guidance would be much appreciated. Why do you want to specifically grow bilberries at home? There are plenty of wild bushes and it isn't a particularly pretty plant. Regards, -- Martin Brown |
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"Martin Brown" wrote in message
... Yes. They will need acidic ericaceous peat based compost and they may well be fussy about growing at all in a garden - unless it is very windy and you can maintain the right balance of moorland water and drought. You are probably better off growing high bush blueberries, Yes, I'm coming round to that line of thinking. and going out on the moors to harvest free natural bilberries when they are in season. I do that aswell.. well there's a place near Preston when I go up and see relatives each August. I've still got some of last August's pick in the freezer :-) If they do require a special soil I was thinking I could dig out a couple of feet of the existing soil and replace it with a soil/compost they like, but would that be enough? Perhaps after diggin out the 2ft of soil I could put an inch of concrete down and then put the favoured soil on top, so that the bilberry roots don't grow down into soil they don't like! Any guidance would be much appreciated. Why do you want to specifically grow bilberries at home? There are plenty of wild bushes and it isn't a particularly pretty plant. My favourite fruit and so the taste far outweighs the of attractiveness for me. While I do pick some wild ones each August, I have to do it rather intensively because I only have a couple of days to do it in, since the only place I know of to pick them is nr Preston. If you do happen to know of any area nearer to Oxfordshire, then please let me know! Regards Bigus |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Bigus wrote:
Why do you want to specifically grow bilberries at home? There are plenty of wild bushes and it isn't a particularly pretty plant. My favourite fruit and so the taste far outweighs the of attractiveness for me. While I do pick some wild ones each August, I have to do it rather intensively because I only have a couple of days to do it in, since the only place I know of to pick them is nr Preston. If you do happen to know of any area nearer to Oxfordshire, then please let me know! There used to be bilberries (aka wortleberries) on Exmoor when I was a boy. I expect there still are. -- +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Internet: | writing from | | Fidonet: David Rance 2:252/110 | Caversham, | | BBS: telnet://mesnil.demon.co.uk | Reading, UK | +-------------------------------------------------------+ |
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The message
from J Jackson contains these words: I'm not entirely sure how best to propagate - one bush appears to be superior in fruit size and number than the others. I'll need to try cuttings etc. Most Lonicera seem to layer pretty well. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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The message
from "Bigus" contains these words: /bilberries/ If you do happen to know of any area nearer to Oxfordshire, then please let me know! Well, I know some places on the Isle of Lewis. FVSVO nearer...... -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:42:31 +0100, Jaques d'Alltrades
wrote: I'm not entirely sure how best to propagate - one bush appears to be superior in fruit size and number than the others. I'll need to try cuttings etc. Most Lonicera seem to layer pretty well. I once stuck a heeled twig of a Lonicera in a recently filled pot in the autumn - it started growing leaves the next spring. Glenys -- "A Newsweek poll said if the election were held today, John Kerry would beat Bush 49 percent to 46 percent. And today, President Bush called Newsweek magazine a threat to world peace." Jay Leno |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:27:18 +0100, "Bigus"
wrote: "david taylor" wrote in message ... Bilberries require very acid soil. I think they are similar to heather in that they can only take nutrient in via a microfungal population on their roots. They used to-maybe still grow on Waldridge Fell near where I lived many years ago in County Durham. Altitude only about 500ft, rainfall c25ins year. I think the main requirement is an impoverished peaty soil pH around 4.5. I live in Devon now via Cheshire and am growing blueberries-billberries are nice, but will be a lot of effort for not very much. The blueberries are in a raised bed brick filled with peat /leaf mold and wood chippings. I feed the blueberries with ericaceous fertiliser and mulch them heavily with wood and bark chippings, which I found out later were recommended. I haven't checked the pH. The underlying soil is a clay pH 6.5. Thanks for the advice.. I found a place - www.dorset-blueberry.co.uk - that supplies blueberry bushes of many different varieties and there are some crossbreeds that apparently have a taste and anti-oxidant level reasonably close to that of bilberries, so I'm thinking of egtting some of those in autumn when their next batch is ready. When you say you have a raised bed filled with peat/leaf mold, what exactly do you mean? That is, do you effectively have a layer of the peat/leaf-mold on top of your normal (clay) soil, with nothing separating the two? If so, how thick is the peat/mold layer? The dunes in the Friesian Islands, especially Texel, are covered in bilberries/blueberries. Needless to say the dunes are not covered in peat/leaf mold. |
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Jaques d'Alltrades wrote:
: The message : from J Jackson contains these words: : I'm not entirely sure how best to propagate - one bush appears to be : superior in fruit size and number than the others. I'll need to try : cuttings etc. : Most Lonicera seem to layer pretty well. These aren't climbers, they are bushes of a very upright habit - but I'll investigate Jim |
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The message
from J Jackson contains these words: Jaques d'Alltrades wrote: : The message : from J Jackson contains these words: : I'm not entirely sure how best to propagate - one bush appears to be : superior in fruit size and number than the others. I'll need to try : cuttings etc. : Most Lonicera seem to layer pretty well. These aren't climbers, they are bushes of a very upright habit - but I'll investigate Nor are most Lonicera climbers, I believe. Lower branches from my Lonicera hedge layer unasked. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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