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On Thu, 6 May 2004 19:41:19 +0100, "Tumbleweed"
wrote:


"martin" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 6 May 2004 16:32:55 +0100, "Tumbleweed"
wrote:


"Derek Turner" wrote in message
.. .

you MAY be able to do something similar with OE but I can't check as I
wont have that piece of crap on my machine.

So whats wrong with it, specifically? (you can certainly mangle addresses
with it) and since you dont have it and are apparently know nothing about
it, I wonder why you call it a 'piece of crap'.

Abusing MS products is a sort of religion.

I'm only surprised that the all powerful Holy Linux hasn't been
mentioned, so far :-)


FWIW I am newly running Linux on another PC (Redhat Advanced Server) and
have to say its not as user friendly as Windows, nor does it have the
hardware compatability yet, for example I would have to committ unnatural
acts to get it to work with my wireless card whereas windows worked right
out of the box.

It may be more powerful but that is definitely at the expense of
ease-of-use. This is from a desktop rather than a server POV. What it has
got going for it ATM is relative immunity to viruses, partially because of
how it works and partially because the virus/worm writers dont target it.

I have similar experience and I totally agree with you.

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On Thu, 6 May 2004 16:32:55 +0100, "Tumbleweed"
wrote:



there's one born every minute!

Do you mean someone who paid money for a newreader that does nothing
significantly different or extra that OE (for free) doesnt?

it does it significantly quicker and more elegantly, and off-line too!


So whats wrong with it, specifically?

how long have you got? thousands of trojanned machines all over the
world spewing spam because of the wonderful 'features' built in to OE
would be a start. How many critical security 'updates' have I had to
apply to Agent in all the time I've used it? ditto Mozilla? a very
round number! it seems that almost every week M$ discover (or realise
that someone else has discovered and exploited) yet another hole in
this piece of crap.

and since you dont have it and are apparently know nothing about
it, I wonder why you call it a 'piece of crap'.

I have it, Windows XP leaves me no choice, but I have uninstalled it.
I know a LOT about it because I'm forever having to rescue friends and
colleagues from its fall-out. Contrary to opinion expressed in this
thread I have nothing aginst M$ products per se, I use them daily,
it's just OE/IE that I loathe for the reasions stated above.

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On Thu, 06 May 2004 12:21:26 +0200, martin wrote:

~On Thu, 06 May 2004 10:56:33 +0100, Derek Turner
~wrote:
~
~On Thu, 06 May 2004 11:34:58 +0200, martin wrote:
~
~
~X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409
~
~there's one born every minute!
~
~Are implying that Agent users don't get spam?

I wish!

~no, but Agent does allow different 'from' and 'reply-to' settings (not
~sure that OE does

jane checks AllFields
yep, still have daft addy set in From: and Default in Reply-To which
means the From: addy. Good, I didn't reset it in my sleep one day.

I do like the fact I can set group properties different to email. And
I'm still using the ancient Agent I've had for years cos they still
haven't got multiple mail accounts in Agent 2!

~It does as somebody else has already said.
~
~OE is much easier for a non specialist PC user to learn. I use Agent
~my wife uses OE. It's not a matter of intelligence, but learning and
~inclination, my wife has a PhD in physics, I haven't.
She does? What area? (I always like to hear of other female
physicists)

~My wife has never used her e-mail address to post to a newsgroup and
~still gets spam. My daughter, who has never used her wanadoo e-mail
~account at all even for mail, gets about 20 spam messages sent to her
~account a day.
The one that gets me is that 50% of spam comes to an addy which was
used precisely once some 8 years ago to post to one newsgroup.
Thank goodness for Demon's filtering - most gets stomped on now and
mailwasher gets the rest.

~) what one does with that to avoid spam is another
~matter. OE defaults to advertising the real e-mail address to all and
~sundry, Agent does not.
~
~despite which many Agent users use their real e-mail address
~for news.
Been there, done that, got the spam deluge.

~
~get yourself a decent newsreader client for a start
~
~her news reader is not the source of her problem.
~
~the way it 'defaults' to posting the real e-mail address (needed for
~the e-mail bit) in its newsreader functions is a contributory factor
~here, wouldn't you say?
~
~no, it's the fact that the user didn't know how to insert something
~different, if it hadn't defaulted to her real e-mail address she
~wouldn't have been able to use mail and news at all.
~Judging from posts to the forte news group there are also Agent
~users, who don't know how to insert a false e-mail address for news
~groups.

Took me years to find the override setting - was doing it manually up
until a few months ago. Boy, I grumbled when I found it!

Seriously, all readers in default form and installation will put
unmunged addys on the from: field. Whatever their pedigree.
It's the old story - if you don't know it's there you can't use it...


--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks!

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On Thu, 6 May 2004 20:05:38 +0000 (UTC),
(jane) wrote:


~OE is much easier for a non specialist PC user to learn. I use Agent
~my wife uses OE. It's not a matter of intelligence, but learning and
~inclination, my wife has a PhD in physics, I haven't.
She does? What area? (I always like to hear of other female
physicists)

Ultra Violet Astronomy.

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In article , Vicky
writes
Please could someone explain how I disguise my email details when using
newsgroups? My email address appears to have been harvested from this one
already.

Too late if its already been harvested.
An alternative is to us a mail checking program to weed out the spam for
you.
--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

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In article , Gwenhyffar
Milgi writes

That's why I use this one only for Usenet. Real mail gets sent to my
real mail address.

Ah well - I've just emailed you with something I thought might be
helpful but which I didn't want to bother the whole group with, so I
guess you won't get that one then! ;-)


--
Kay Easton

Edward's earthworm page:
http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm

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The message
from "Vicky" contains these words:

Oops - try again - thanks Richard

Vicky



you might want to rethink that "invalid" address, tho, home.co.uk is a
real
domain name,

When replying to usenet posts, it's usual to include the name and
from-address of the person whose post you quote, as I've included yours.
Then other people who perhaps join the thread after it started, or
looking it up in the archives, know who is conversing.

Putting your reply underneath the comment you're replying to, as mine
is, is also normal practice in this group. Putting it on top, as you do,
is called top-posting; it disrupts threads and some of the most helpful
and knowledgeable urglers ignore messages from top-posters.

Every week there's a useful post called abc for newcomers to urg.
www.google/groups also has a very useful "help" section which explains
how to get the best from usenet.

Janet

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On Thu, 6 May 2004 09:12:07 +0100, "Vicky"
wrote:

Please could someone explain how I disguise my email details when using
newsgroups? My email address appears to have been harvested from this one
already.

Thanks

Vicky

Until about a week ago, I was getting around 100 spam e-mails per day
and rising, despite having a false address (I used mailwasher
www.mailwasher.net to filter them). But Virgin.net have recently
started filtering spam from all messages they handle. Since then my
spam messages have dropped to between zero and five per day. I don't
see why all ISP's can't do the same, at which point spam would cease
as there'd be no point in sending it.

(I have no financial connection with Virgin.net, BTW).


--
Chris

E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net

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In message , Janet
Baraclough.. writes
The message from "Vicky"
contains these words:

Oops - try again - thanks Richard

Vicky



you might want to rethink that "invalid" address, tho, home.co.uk is a
real
domain name,

When replying to usenet posts, it's usual to include the name and
from-address of the person whose post you quote, as I've included yours.

Hmmm - Janet, Richard did and in this instance you didn't. :((

Then other people who perhaps join the thread after it started, or
looking it up in the archives, know who is conversing.

Putting your reply underneath the comment you're replying to

Richard did so.

--
dave @ stejonda

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"Derek Turner" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 6 May 2004 16:32:55 +0100, "Tumbleweed"
wrote:



there's one born every minute!

Do you mean someone who paid money for a newreader that does nothing
significantly different or extra that OE (for free) doesnt?

it does it significantly quicker and more elegantly, and off-line too!

It does *what* significantly quicker? I click on a message or email its
there as fast as I need it, essentially instantaneously. OE will read off
line as well.



So whats wrong with it, specifically?

how long have you got? thousands of trojanned machines all over the
world spewing spam because of the wonderful 'features' built in to OE
would be a start. How many critical security 'updates' have I had to
apply to Agent in all the time I've used it? ditto Mozilla? a very
round number! it seems that almost every week M$ discover (or realise
that someone else has discovered and exploited) yet another hole in
this piece of crap.

There have been very few OE updates at all. And the problems are (or were)
to so with default behavious like opening attachments that newbies didnt
know to switch off. You could equally well set agent to open attachments.
Also, very few of those machines 'spewing spam' will be doing it via OE,
most of thsi stuff comes with its own email engine these days.


and since you dont have it and are apparently know nothing about
it, I wonder why you call it a 'piece of crap'.

I have it, Windows XP leaves me no choice, but I have uninstalled it.

Contradiction there surely?It leave s you no choice to have it but you
uninstalled it?

I know a LOT about it because I'm forever having to rescue friends and
colleagues from its fall-out. Contrary to opinion expressed in this
thread I have nothing aginst M$ products per se, I use them daily,
it's just OE/IE that I loathe for the reasions stated above.


Your friends who were clueless enough to open up & run attachments from
unknown people? Those same friends would have done that on Agent.


--
Tumbleweed

Remove my socks for email address

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On Thu, 6 May 2004 20:57:52 +0100, Kay Easton
wrote:

In article , Gwenhyffar
Milgi writes

That's why I use this one only for Usenet. Real mail gets sent to my
real mail address.

Ah well - I've just emailed you with something I thought might be
helpful but which I didn't want to bother the whole group with, so I
guess you won't get that one then! ;-)


I did get it, haven't replied yet, but I caught it because it had the
newsgroup subject.

I do check before chucking, but that is done without downloading the
mail, so it never reaches my machine.

--
"My candle burns at both ends; it will not last the night
but ah my foes and oh my friends -- it gives a lovely light"

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On Thu, 06 May 2004 22:20:54 +0200, martin wrote:

~On Thu, 6 May 2004 20:05:38 +0000 (UTC),
(jane) wrote:
~
~
~~OE is much easier for a non specialist PC user to learn. I use Agent
~~my wife uses OE. It's not a matter of intelligence, but learning and
~~inclination, my wife has a PhD in physics, I haven't.
~She does? What area? (I always like to hear of other female
~physicists)
~
~Ultra Violet Astronomy.
~
Nice! I know an astronomer or two... I'm an MRI physicist meself,
though got into it all through amateur observational astronomy. Still
have a couple of 'scopes lurking about the place, though too many
streetlights round here.

Anyone actually see the lunar eclipse? It was behind a load of trees
from here and I couldn't get the 'scope to a visible spot!

(Don't ask how I got hooked on gardening - I'm still not sure!)

(trying to get vaguely on topic :)

--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks!

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In message , Chris Hogg
writes
On Thu, 6 May 2004 09:12:07 +0100, "Vicky"
wrote:

Please could someone explain how I disguise my email details when using
newsgroups? My email address appears to have been harvested from this one
already.

Thanks

Vicky

Until about a week ago, I was getting around 100 spam e-mails per day
and rising, despite having a false address (I used mailwasher
www.mailwasher.net to filter them). But Virgin.net have recently
started filtering spam from all messages they handle. Since then my
spam messages have dropped to between zero and five per day. I don't
see why all ISP's can't do the same, at which point spam would cease
as there'd be no point in sending it.

ISP has spam filter, ISP filters out what it thinks is spam, someone
doesn't receive an email, loses big contract, sues ISP.......? Though
most ISP's seem to bringing something like this in.

Personally I wouldn't trust an ISP not to cock it up.

Actually most of the crap we are getting isn't spam anyway, but endless
variations of one virus or another. Or auto replies from virus scanners
etc. telling me that someone sent out a virus email using a fake email
address at my domain - idiots.

Dave mentioned somewhere about having a valid Reply-to address. I've
been doing that for some years now. While the from address is harvested,
the reply to's haven't received any significant spam at all. Though I do
use a disposable address, just in case. I much prefer this to a junk
address.

There are people out there who never received an email from me that may
have been to their benefit because the original bounced and I never got
round to sending it again.
--
Chris French and Helen Johnson, Leeds
urg Suppliers and References FAQ:
http://www.familyfrench.co.uk/garden/urgfaq/index.html

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On Fri, 7 May 2004 01:37:47 +0100, Chris French and Helen Johnson
wrote:

In message , Chris Hogg
writes
On Thu, 6 May 2004 09:12:07 +0100, "Vicky"
wrote:

Please could someone explain how I disguise my email details when using
newsgroups? My email address appears to have been harvested from this one
already.

Thanks

Vicky

Until about a week ago, I was getting around 100 spam e-mails per day
and rising, despite having a false address (I used mailwasher
www.mailwasher.net to filter them). But Virgin.net have recently
started filtering spam from all messages they handle. Since then my
spam messages have dropped to between zero and five per day. I don't
see why all ISP's can't do the same, at which point spam would cease
as there'd be no point in sending it.

ISP has spam filter, ISP filters out what it thinks is spam, someone
doesn't receive an email, loses big contract, sues ISP.......? Though
most ISP's seem to bringing something like this in.

Personally I wouldn't trust an ISP not to cock it up.

A more common approach is for the ISP to tag mail it has identified as
SPAM and pass all mail to user. The user decides what to do with it.
Franz and I use different ISPs that both operate this way. I think
Franz bins his without looking, after deciding that after several
months of checking, that his ISP was fool proof, I filter mine into
the trash folder and take a quick look before deleting. This seems to
be a reasonable way for an ISP to detect and handle spam.

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On Thu, 6 May 2004 22:58:27 +0000 (UTC),
(jane) wrote:

On Thu, 06 May 2004 22:20:54 +0200, martin wrote:

~On Thu, 6 May 2004 20:05:38 +0000 (UTC),
(jane) wrote:
~
~
~~OE is much easier for a non specialist PC user to learn. I use Agent
~~my wife uses OE. It's not a matter of intelligence, but learning and
~~inclination, my wife has a PhD in physics, I haven't.
~She does? What area? (I always like to hear of other female
~physicists)
~
~Ultra Violet Astronomy.
~
Nice! I know an astronomer or two... I'm an MRI physicist meself,
though got into it all through amateur observational astronomy. Still
have a couple of 'scopes lurking about the place, though too many
streetlights round here.

My wife's knowledge of astronomy was limited to stuff in the UV
spectrum received from satellites. She retired decades ago when we got
married.