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from Stephen Howard contains these words: When conducting your research into the legality of relocating moles, please bear in mind that the woods I refer to are on my land. Touché -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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On 2/6/04 22:43, in article , "Kay
Easton" wrote: In article , Sacha writes On 2/6/04 19:23, in article , "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote: The message from Stephen Howard contains these words: When conducting your research into the legality of relocating moles, please bear in mind that the woods I refer to are on my land. Touché Well, yes and no. Stephen didn't tell us that and so Jane's response was quite reasonable. If people release moles or other wild critters onto 'wild' land, there is a good chance they'll be annoying/upsetting someone else. If Stephen is happy to have his woods ploughed up by moles that's very nice for all of them. Of course, at some point his woods must have a boundary - and Moley might not be content to remain within it........ Well, that's equally true if Stephen just decides to leave them be. Or are you suggesting everyone has a duty to eradicate moles in case they move out of their own garden into someone else's? I think that everyone has a duty NOT to move moles off their own land and onto someone else's. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds after garden to email me) |
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:22:28 +0100, Sacha
wrote: On 2/6/04 19:23, in article , "Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote: The message from Stephen Howard contains these words: When conducting your research into the legality of relocating moles, please bear in mind that the woods I refer to are on my land. Touché Well, yes and no. Stephen didn't tell us that and so Jane's response was quite reasonable. If people release moles or other wild critters onto 'wild' land, there is a good chance they'll be annoying/upsetting someone else. If Stephen is happy to have his woods ploughed up by moles that's very nice for all of them. Of course, at some point his woods must have a boundary - and Moley might not be content to remain within it........ In which case your solution appears to be... Kill them!! Kill them allllllllllllllaahahahhahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa So, next question then.... what sort of kit do I need to take out the following 'pests' that ( damn them ) roam around my woods and most of Hants: Moles Rabbits Badgers Deer Foxes Pigeons Rats Squirrels Anything looking vaguely like Bill Oddie... I think that covers most of the *******s....wouldn't want anyone to complain that nasty animals are popping out of my woods and 'ploughing' up the land...I mean, how DARE they!! Next thing you know they'll be raping peasants and stealing our jobs..... Wild animals on wild land....it's a recipe for disaster, I tell you! Regards, -- Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk Emails to: showard{who is at}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk |
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In article , Sacha
writes On 2/6/04 22:43, in article , "Kay Easton" wrote: In article , Sacha writes If Stephen is happy to have his woods ploughed up by moles that's very nice for all of them. Of course, at some point his woods must have a boundary - and Moley might not be content to remain within it........ Well, that's equally true if Stephen just decides to leave them be. Or are you suggesting everyone has a duty to eradicate moles in case they move out of their own garden into someone else's? I think that everyone has a duty NOT to move moles off their own land and onto someone else's. Yeah, but that wasn't what I asked! I was asking about your comment that the moles might not confine themselves to Stephen's woods on his own land. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
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On 3/6/04 8:40, in article , "Kay
Easton" wrote: In article , Sacha writes snip I think that everyone has a duty NOT to move moles off their own land and onto someone else's. Yeah, but that wasn't what I asked! I was asking about your comment that the moles might not confine themselves to Stephen's woods on his own land. If he doesn't want them in his garden and isn't going to risk them going to someone else's garden, he has to trap them, I suppose. We put up with ours for as long as we can and then we trap them. We're surrounded by fields so keeping them out isn't a hope and for some reason, they particularly like the neighbouring churchyard. In the past, and in other gardens, I've had to get 'the mole man' in who puts down strychnine worms but that has been used only when things were very bad. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove the weeds after garden to email me) |
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In article , Stephen Howard
writes If Stephen is happy to have his woods ploughed up by moles that's very nice for all of them. Of course, at some point his woods must have a boundary - and Moley might not be content to remain within it........ In which case your solution appears to be... Kill them!! Kill them allllllllllllllaahahahhahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa Hang on a minute. Why are you up in the boughs all of a sudden? You are the one who said: What're the chances that it'll just bugger off with all the digging that's going on? It's unlikely I'll be able to set a trap - the soil is much too friable You are the one who said: I was all for setting a trap, and even went to the garden centre at the weekend to buy one.. You are the one who said: Current sco Mole 1 - Me 0. Seconds away... round two! I thought you wanted to get rid of moles . . . . I now learn that you don't . . . . I am confused :(((((((((( -- Jane Ransom in Lancaster. I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see |
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On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:06:25 +0100, Jane Ransom
wrote: In article , Stephen Howard writes If Stephen is happy to have his woods ploughed up by moles that's very nice for all of them. Of course, at some point his woods must have a boundary - and Moley might not be content to remain within it........ In which case your solution appears to be... Kill them!! Kill them allllllllllllllaahahahhahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa Hang on a minute. Why are you up in the boughs all of a sudden? You are the one who said: What're the chances that it'll just bugger off with all the digging that's going on? It's unlikely I'll be able to set a trap - the soil is much too friable You are the one who said: I was all for setting a trap, and even went to the garden centre at the weekend to buy one.. Indeed - and I also said "but the kids took one look at it and complained." In other words - I stopped and thought about my actions. OK, so the kids probably complained on the basis that, to them, the mole is a nice little furry creature. Nevertheless, it caused me to pause and reconsider my stance. I'm glad I did. You are the one who said: Current sco Mole 1 - Me 0. Seconds away... round two! Not really sure what your point is regarding this comment - I was neatly outflanked by the mole's allies ( the kids ), hence 'Mole 1". Next round is the bucket trap round, where the contestant gets to place buckets under the run in the hope that the mole will drop into one of them. I thought you wanted to get rid of moles . . . . I now learn that you don't . . . . I am confused :(((((((((( Hmm, yes, you do seem to be. Here's what you wrote earlier: On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 19:04:17 +0100, Jane Ransom wrote: In article , Stephen Howard writes I'm giving the mole the benefit of the doubt - I'll try to catch it and release it in the woods. Apart from the fact that that is illegal, don't you think you are being rather selfish by passing your problem on to someone else? I think the intention was clear - that I planned to attempt to catch the mole alive and release it into the woods. Speaking of which - any update for us on your assertion that such a practice would be illegal? Regards, -- Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations www.shwoodwind.co.uk Emails to: showard{whoisat}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk |
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The message
from Stephen Howard contains these words: (snip) wouldn't want anyone to complain that nasty animals are popping out of my woods and 'ploughing' up the land...I mean, how DARE they!! Next thing you know they'll be raping peasants and stealing our jobs..... I read that as raping pheasants...omigod, next the rotters will be robin worms :-( As for stealing our jobs, birds have been stealing jobs from pesticide companies for decades. Wild animals on wild land....it's a recipe for disaster, I tell you! Wild land, now there's another example of criminal abuse of the human race. Rough mountains should be crushed flat, and twisted rivers filled in, before they finish us off. Janet. |
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The message
from Stephen Howard contains these words: So, next question then.... what sort of kit do I need to take out the following 'pests' that ( damn them ) roam around my woods and most of Hants: Moles Piece of split cane with a knob on the top; trowel; moletraps; split canes. Pigeons (Beginner's kit) Good air rifle. (Expert's kit) Several decoy pigeons; camouflage net; camp stool [9]; f.a.c.; pump or repeater shotgun; a bag of forked twigs for setting up corpses as more decoys; big bag; big Thermos; Bag of sandwiches, pork pie, water or soft drink, cake or similar; good book or difficult crossword. Rabbits Rats Squirrels High power q/halogen parallel beam lamp; good air rifle with night-capable 'scope. Badgers Deer Foxes f.a.c; ·243 HV rifle and night 'scope; q/halogen parallel beam lamp; (injured) wabbit squeaker [35]; Lard Roller pick-up or similar; Rifle rest on roof of cab; Someone to operate lamp; ear-defenders (two pairs of). Anything looking vaguely like Bill Oddie... Sell you a pre-loved Challenger, Guv? I think that covers most of the *******s....wouldn't want anyone to complain that nasty animals are popping out of my woods and 'ploughing' up the land...I mean, how DARE they!! Next thing you know they'll be raping peasants and stealing our jobs..... Wild animals on wild land....it's a recipe for disaster, I tell you! Nah: recipe for some fine game pies, casseroles etc. I recommend eschewing the badgers and foxes though. And as for Bill Oddie, you could try an old brent goose recipe [99]. [9] That is, a folding, canvas and steel contraption like a junior deckchair, not a stool with an embroidered velvet cushion.... [35] assuming you can't make the noise without help [99] Brent goose: pluck and draw your goose, and hang in a cool place for four days. Meanwhile, find two porous red bricks and wash them thoroughly. Dry them out in the oven. Make a marinade of: olive oil; burnt red wine; red wine vinegar; tablespoon of mixed whole peppercorns; teaspoon of allspice; two blades of mace; whole nutmeg, grated; tablespoon of crushed juniper berries; marjoram; sage; thyme; juice of a large orange; tablespoon of molasses or honey; tablespoon of redcurrant jelly. Put in a saucepan and just bring to the boil. put hot bricks in a large dish and pour marinade over bricks. Allow to cool, then cover, and leave in a cool place. After the goose has hung for four days, take it down and stuff it with the bricks. Place goose in a big baking pan and baste with the remainder of the marinade. Cover goose with four layers of greased brown paper, and then with aluminium foil. Place goose in oven on a very low heat: just below 100° C is ideal, and leave the goose there until cooked. (Six days is not too long.) Remove goose from oven. Remove bricks. Throw goose away, and eat bricks. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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In article , Stephen Howard
writes Speaking of which - any update for us on your assertion that such a practice would be illegal? I beg your pardon, it is 'discouraged', not 'illegal'. A mole is solitary and has its system of tunnels with which it is totally familiar and which it defends fiercely. So if you catch it and release it somewhere else, it causes it a great deal of trauma. Additionally it will try to find somewhere to live. If it tries to take over another mole's tunnel, they will fight and one or other will be killed or very badly injured. I knew there was a reason you should not catch and release a mole :( If you are soft hearted, you just have to let moley be. Releasing it into the wild is dooming it to death or disability at the hands of another mole or death in a farmer's trap :((((((((( -- Jane Ransom in Lancaster. I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg but if you need to email me for any other reason, put ransoms at jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see |
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"Jaques d'Alltrades" wrote in message k... The message from Stephen Howard contains these words: When conducting your research into the legality of relocating moles, please bear in mind that the woods I refer to are on my land. Touché -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ ******** Wot's a "foobar"?. Doug. ******* |
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On Thu, 3 Jun 2004 15:32:25 +0100, Jane Ransom
wrote: In article , Stephen Howard writes Speaking of which - any update for us on your assertion that such a practice would be illegal? I beg your pardon, it is 'discouraged', not 'illegal'. Fair enough. The nice man from DEFRA called to say that there was no such legislation in force, and gave me a few helpful hints and tips. A mole is solitary and has its system of tunnels with which it is totally familiar and which it defends fiercely. So if you catch it and release it somewhere else, it causes it a great deal of trauma. Additionally it will try to find somewhere to live. If it tries to take over another mole's tunnel, they will fight and one or other will be killed or very badly injured. I knew there was a reason you should not catch and release a mole :( I'm not so convinced. Plenty of people seem quick to point out ( with some glee! ) that moley can dig at a rate of knots - so it can build a sizeable network or 'fortress' in a very short space of time. Certainly the advice given by DEFRA indicates that no-one's really studied what happens when they're released into the wild - it's just as likely it'll hit dirt digging. If you are soft hearted, you just have to let moley be. Releasing it into the wild is dooming it to death or disability at the hands of another mole or death in a farmer's trap :((((((((( I doubt it - as the man from DEFRA said, it's a creature that's built to survive ( he thinks I'll be incredibly lucky to catch it alive ) and as resourceful in its environment as any rat...and just as hardy. Regards, -- Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations www.shwoodwind.co.uk Emails to: showard{whoisat}shwoodwind{dot}co{dot}uk |
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