OXFORD BUILDERS BACK OUT of animal research laboratory at Oxford. HOORAY another one bites the dust.
 

A hearty well done to Animal Aid and co for their efforts in educating
people on the abuse of animals.



full story on their website.

http://www.animalaid.org.uk/press/0407mont.htm

Oxford builders back out
Statement in response to the announcement by Montpellier that it is
giving up work on the proposed Oxford animal research centre
Animal Aid welcomes the news that Montpellier, the building company
contracted to construct a new animal research laboratory at Oxford
University, has pulled out of the project. We only wish its decision
had been driven by a realisation that the proposed centre will cause
immense suffering to a large number of animals, while producing no
medical benefits for people.

Animal Aid is thoroughly committed to non-violent, non-intimidatory
campaigning, as are the vast majority of animal rights advocates. The
broad commitment to non-violence is made evident by our deep disgust
at the kind of Home Office-sanctioned cruelty that takes place in
animal labs, such as those proposed for Oxford. That animals are
deliberately poisoned, surgically mutilated, deprived of food and
water is bad enough. That such torments are claimed to point the way
towards cures for human diseases is a primitive and vicious falsehood.


For background information on animal experiments see Killing animals
and humans and our 2002 report, Bred to Suffer: animals as models of
human disease.

More and more scientists are beginning to question the validity of
animal experiments - but these same individuals are reluctant to 'come
out', for fear of the impact this would have on their career
prospects. Quite simply, animal experiments have become an ingrained
habit, with scientific careers and reputations established on the back
of them.

Some early media reports suggested that no experiments would take
place at the new Oxford University unit - it would be for housing
animals only. But this attempt at misinformation was exposed by
careful scrutiny of the plans submitted to the local authority. Oxford
needs, in future, to deal straight with the public. Moreover, it needs
to abandon its fixation on the 'animal model' and commit itself to
modern, human-centred scientific methods of research.

Andrew Tyler
Director, Animal Aid

..........................

Notes to Editors

For further information contact Andrew Tyler on 01732 364546.

We have an ISDN line for broadcast quality interviews.


Join Animal Aid in the campaign against animal experiments - send for
a free vivisection action pack today.

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Hooray...
Now lets fish....

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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:21:15 +0100, Nick Maclaren
wrote:

A hearty well done to Animal Aid and co for their efforts in educating
people on the abuse of animals.

You mean you actually want to congratulate the nutters. I suppose it
takes all sorts.

OXFORD BUILDERS BACK OUT of animal research laboratory at Oxford. HOORAY another one bites the d
 

Angling is set to achieve what was once thought impossible this Autumn as
the Government unveils its plans to protect the sport from all external
threats.
(Angling Times July 2004)
Good news even if I am a little cynical. How many anglers of voting age in
the UK? Is their a general election some time next year?

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...
A hearty well done to Animal Aid and co for their efforts in educating
people on the abuse of animals.

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On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:50:18 +0100, me wrote:

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:21:15 +0100, Nick Maclaren
wrote:

A hearty well done to Animal Aid and co for their efforts in educating
people on the abuse of animals.

You mean you actually want to congratulate the nutters. I suppose it
takes all sorts.
No - what he means is that they have taught them how to do it.
--
neil
delete delete to reply

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In article ,
wrote:
On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:21:15 +0100, Nick Maclaren
wrote:

A hearty well done to Animal Aid and co for their efforts in educating
people on the abuse of animals.

You mean you actually want to congratulate the nutters. I suppose it
takes all sorts.

No he doesn't. It's another forgery, probably Pete trying a different
routing.

Cheerio,

--

OXFORD BUILDERS BACK OUT of animal research laboratory at Oxford. HOORAY another one bites the d
 

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 07:21:15 +0100, Nick Maclaren
wrote:

A hearty well done to Animal Aid and co for their efforts in educating
people on the abuse of animals.

You mean you actually want to congratulate the nutters. I suppose it
takes all sorts.


Congratulate, help, support do all we can to help these good people. That is
our agenda.

The above proves the our aim has been achieved (at least temporarily).

Hit the *******s where it hurts the most, in their wallet.

You are living in the past, you should give serious thought to the subject
of 'Vivisection',

before you post crap on usenet. What's you problem, Do you have shares in
Montpellier?

OXFORD BUILDERS BACK OUT of animal research laboratory at Oxford. HOORAY another one bites the d
 

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...
A hearty well done to Animal Aid and co for their efforts in educating
people on the abuse of animals.


So I take it if you need medical treatment that involves drugs, you will
refuse on the basis that life saving drugs might have been tested on
animals?

Do you ever take medication of any sort? If so, then the word "hypocrisy"
spring to mind.

Jack

OXFORD BUILDERS BACK OUT of animal research laboratory at Oxford. HOORAY another one bites the d
 

"Jack Harrison" wrote in message
.. .

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...
A hearty well done to Animal Aid and co for their efforts in educating
people on the abuse of animals.


So I take it if you need medical treatment that involves drugs, you will
refuse on the basis that life saving drugs might have been tested on
animals?

Might? So which prescribed drugs have not been tested on animals? Which
household cleaning products, etc. have not been safety tested on animals?
Surely the answer is as close to none as makes no difference.


Do you ever take medication of any sort? If so, then the word
"hypocrisy"
spring to mind.



ARist, hypocrite, same difference.

Michael Saunby

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Angling is set to achieve what was once thought impossible this Autumn as
the Government unveils its plans to protect the sport from all external
threats.
(Angling Times July 2004)
Good news even if I am a little cynical. How many anglers of voting age in
the UK? Is their a general election some time next year?

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
.. .
A hearty well done to Animal Aid and co for their efforts in educating
people on the abuse of animals.


STOP ABUSING INTERNET
--
Martin

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2004...

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Angling is set to achieve what was once thought impossible this Autumn
as the Government unveils its plans to protect the sport from all
external threats. (Angling Times July 2004)
Good news even if I am a little cynical. How many anglers of voting age
in the UK? Is their a general election some time next year?

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
. ..
A hearty well done to Animal Aid and co for their efforts in educating
people on the abuse of animals.


STOP ABUSING INTERNET

You first.

--
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VISIT ME ONLINE AT: http://peterparsnip.blogspot.com/

"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with
the rod, he shall not die." -- Proverbs 23:13 (AV)

OXFORD BUILDERS BACK OUT of animal research laboratory at Oxford. HOORAY another one bites the d
 

"Jack Harrison" wrote in message
.. .

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...
A hearty well done to Animal Aid and co for their efforts in
educating
people on the abuse of animals.


So I take it if you need medical treatment that involves drugs, you
will
refuse on the basis that life saving drugs might have been tested on
animals?

Do you ever take medication of any sort? If so, then the word
"hypocrisy"
spring to mind.

You forgot to include the use of pigs in the deverlopment of radiation
treatment of cancer, and a variety of animals for various heart
surgical techniques. So the OP had better not ever contract cancer or
a heart problem if he wishes to be true to his "principles", if I may
call them that.

Franz

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Angling is set to achieve what was once thought impossible this Autumn
as the Government unveils its plans to protect the sport from all
external threats.
(Angling Times July 2004)
Good news even if I am a little cynical. How many anglers of voting age
in the UK? Is their a general election some time next year?

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
. ..
A hearty well done to Animal Aid and co for their efforts in educating
people on the abuse of animals.


STOP ABUSING INTERNET

YES!

--
Phil Kyle esq.

http://philkyle2003.reachme.at/

"That's not cheese, it's the product of an unwashed foreskin."

- Craig "I like cheese" Oldfield

OXFORD BUILDERS BACK OUT of animal research laboratory at Oxford. HOORAY another one bites the d
 

"Michael Saunby" wrote in message
...

"Jack Harrison" wrote in message
.. .

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...
A hearty well done to Animal Aid and co for their efforts in educating
people on the abuse of animals.


So I take it if you need medical treatment that involves drugs, you will
refuse on the basis that life saving drugs might have been tested on
animals?

Might? So which prescribed drugs have not been tested on animals? Which
household cleaning products, etc. have not been safety tested on animals?
Surely the answer is as close to none as makes no difference.


Do you ever take medication of any sort? If so, then the word
"hypocrisy"
spring to mind.



ARist, hypocrite, same difference.

Michael Saunby.





Vivisectionists, researchers, scientists call them what you will, they are
all a bunch of "cowards" who abuse animals for a salary.

OTH. Michael Saunby is the only person who admits, in open forum, that he
abuses animals for pleasure.

What can you call this kind of person?

OXFORD BUILDERS BACK OUT of animal research laboratory at Oxford. HOORAY another one bites the d
 

"Ray" wrote in message
...

"Michael Saunby" wrote in message
...

"Jack Harrison" wrote in message
.. .

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...
A hearty well done to Animal Aid and co for their efforts in
educating
people on the abuse of animals.


So I take it if you need medical treatment that involves drugs, you
will
refuse on the basis that life saving drugs might have been tested on
animals?

Might? So which prescribed drugs have not been tested on animals?
Which
household cleaning products, etc. have not been safety tested on
animals?
Surely the answer is as close to none as makes no difference.


Do you ever take medication of any sort? If so, then the word
"hypocrisy"
spring to mind.



ARist, hypocrite, same difference.

Michael Saunby.





Vivisectionists, researchers, scientists call them what you will, they
are
all a bunch of "cowards" who abuse animals for a salary.

OTH. Michael Saunby is the only person who admits, in open forum, that he
abuses animals for pleasure.

What can you call this kind of person?


Another victim of the AR lie machine? See http://www.vare.org.uk for other
examples of the way AR extremists such as Ray use lies and the threat of
lies to terrorise decent honest people who refuse to accept the dishonest
propaganda ARists.

It speaks volumes to learn that you support actions like this - ref :
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/thi...p?story=543009

QUOTE
Last week the man, who wishes to remain anonymous, received a note headed:
"A serious warning from Animal Rights Activists."
It said: "If the company does not stop building the animal laboratory at
Oxford within one week a letter about you will mailed to hundreds of your
neighbours. This letter will make several allegations about your personal
life. It will also contain a forged criminal record showing a string of
sexual offences committed by yourself throughout your adult life."

END QUOTE

Seems that UK AR activist standards of honesty and decency are no better in
their dealings outwith Usenet. Why doesn't that surprise me? The sooner
the lot of you are locked up the better!

Michael Saunby

OXFORD BUILDERS BACK OUT of animal research laboratory at Oxford. HOORAY another one bites the dust.
 

Franz Heymann wrote:
:: You forgot to include the use of pigs in the deverlopment of
:: radiation treatment of cancer, and a variety of animals for
:: various heart surgical techniques. So the OP had better not ever
:: contract cancer or a heart problem if he wishes to be true to his
:: "principles", if I may call them that.
::
:: Franz

What has this to do with fish?
What has this to do with birdwatching?


*LEARN TO SNIP THE NEWSGROUPS TO WHICH YOU ARE REPLYING!!!!!!!!!*

OXFORD BUILDERS BACK OUT of animal research laboratory at Oxford. HOORAY another one bites the d
 

OXFORD BUILDERS BACK OUT of animal research laboratory at Oxford. HOORAY another one bites the d
 

Franz Heymann wrote:
:: You forgot to include the use of pigs in the deverlopment of
:: radiation treatment of cancer, and a variety of animals for
:: various heart surgical techniques. So the OP had better not ever
:: contract cancer or a heart problem if he wishes to be true to his
:: "principles", if I may call them that.
::
:: Franz

What has this to do with fish?
What has this to do with birdwatching?


*LEARN TO SNIP THE NEWSGROUPS TO WHICH YOU ARE REPLYING!!!!!!!!!*

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:36:46 GMT, "Phil L"
wrote:

wrote:
::
:: STOP ABUSING INTERNET
:: --
:: Martin

You are the one who is sending this crap to a hundred newsgroups at a time,
in the little window at the top, the one with all the newsgroup names in,

That is why I posted the headers.

delete them all, apart from the one you are in, or better still, don't reply
at all.

Wrong! I am not.
Another case of Miss Marples puts foot in mouth?
--
Martin

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:38:55 GMT, "Phil L"
wrote:

Franz Heymann wrote:
:: You forgot to include the use of pigs in the deverlopment of
:: radiation treatment of cancer, and a variety of animals for
:: various heart surgical techniques. So the OP had better not ever
:: contract cancer or a heart problem if he wishes to be true to his
:: "principles", if I may call them that.
::
:: Franz

What has this to do with fish?
What has this to do with birdwatching?

It has to do with the subject.


--
Martin

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OXFORD BUILDERS BACK OUT of animal research laboratory at Oxford. HOORAY another one bites the d
 

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OXFORD BUILDERS BACK OUT of animal research laboratory at Oxford. HOORAY another one bites the dust.
 

OXFORD BUILDERS BACK OUT of animal research laboratory at Oxford. HOORAY another one bites the d
 

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:58:16 GMT, "Phil L"
wrote:

wrote:
:: On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 15:36:46 GMT, "Phil L"
:: wrote:
::
::: wrote:
:::::
::::: STOP ABUSING INTERNET
::::: --
::::: Martin
:::
::: You are the one who is sending this crap to a hundred newsgroups
::: at a time, in the little window at the top, the one with all the
::: newsgroup names in,
::
:: That is why I posted the headers.
But if everyone does it, in every group it lands in, your group is
effectively destroyed,

it was a warning to people that it was being cross posted and a
request to stop it.

this is how trolls work - they get X-posted arguments
and crossposted flamewars going between the groups, then just sit back while
ordinary posters carry it on between themselves.

but everybody didn't and I normally have Agent set to not cross post.


::
::: delete them all, apart from the one you are in, or better still,
::: don't reply at all.
::
:: Wrong! I am not.

You are not what?

:: Another case of Miss Marples puts foot in mouth?

??????????

another mystery for you to solve.

--
Martin

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 14:06:34 +0000, Ray wrote:



Vivisectionists, researchers, scientists call them what you will, they are
all a bunch of "cowards" who abuse animals for a salary.

OTH. Michael Saunby is the only person who admits, in open forum, that he
abuses animals for pleasure.

What can you call this kind of person?
An animal Rights activist.
--
neil
delete delete to reply

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:19:28 +0000, Ray wrote:


"Michael Saunby" wrote in message
...

"Ray" wrote in message
...

"Michael Saunby" wrote in message
...

"Jack Harrison" wrote in message
.. .

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
...
A hearty well done to Animal Aid and co for their efforts in
educating
people on the abuse of animals.


So I take it if you need medical treatment that involves drugs, you
will
refuse on the basis that life saving drugs might have been tested on
animals?

Might? So which prescribed drugs have not been tested on animals?
Which
household cleaning products, etc. have not been safety tested on
animals?
Surely the answer is as close to none as makes no difference.


Do you ever take medication of any sort? If so, then the word
"hypocrisy"
spring to mind.



ARist, hypocrite, same difference.

Michael Saunby.





Vivisectionists, researchers, scientists call them what you will, they
are
all a bunch of "cowards" who abuse animals for a salary.

OTH. Michael Saunby is the only person who admits, in open forum, that
he
abuses animals for pleasure.

What can you call this kind of person?


Another victim of the AR lie machine? See http://www.vare.org.uk for
other
examples of the way AR extremists such as Ray use lies and the threat of
lies to terrorise decent honest people who refuse to accept the dishonest
propaganda ARists.

It speaks volumes to learn that you support actions like this - ref :
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/thi...p?story=543009

QUOTE
Last week the man, who wishes to remain anonymous, received a note headed:
"A serious warning from Animal Rights Activists."
It said: "If the company does not stop building the animal laboratory at
Oxford within one week a letter about you will mailed to hundreds of your
neighbours. This letter will make several allegations about your personal
life. It will also contain a forged criminal record showing a string of
sexual offences committed by yourself throughout your adult life."

END QUOTE

Seems that UK AR activist standards of honesty and decency are no better
in
their dealings outwith Usenet. Why doesn't that surprise me? The sooner
the lot of you are locked up the better!

Michael Saunby



Never mind the links Micheal.

Let us deal with something a little closer to home. - Your lack of
integrity.

Last week you started a posting Subject header "This Battle Must Be Won"
21:7:04 on this newsgroup and several others.

During the ensuing thread which developed you made a serious mistatke, YOU
ACTUALLY TOLD THE TRUTH. [My lifestyle does involve killing for sport]
These words are yours Michael, they have not been distorted or changed and
are in the archives of 'Google' for all to see.

At this point Derek interjected with the following:


[ "I don't hunt."
Michael Saunby http://tinyurl.com/5ow8r

"Anyway, I don't hunt. I don't much care for hunting"
Michael Saunby http://tinyurl.com/62ubf

"**** off you ignorant ****. I've told you often enough
- I DON'T HUNT."
Michael Saunby http://tinyurl.com/4narw

You're just a damned liar, Saunby.]

As a reasonable person, I asked Derek to hang fire and give you time for
clarification of your statement. He kindly complied.

Subsequently, I gave you numerous opportunities to retract your statement as
the question of a typo was raised by your fellow Canadian deviant "Dutch". I
also gave you a list of alternatives to help you out of your quandary. My
kindness was not appreciated and indeed, I received nothing other than
abuse.

So Michael, we can only assume that you have a serious problem, you actually
take delight and pleasure from inflicting or watching animals suffer.

You are in no position to be critical of ARAs, in fact you are in no
position to post at all. Clearly you are mentally disturbed.

I have proved, with your help, you a-

A Liar
A Fraud
A Pervert

What more do you want?

If indeed you do want more I can also add masochist.
So starts the false allegation slinging

--
neil
delete delete to reply

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P.Kyle esquire writes

STOP ABUSING INTERNET

YES!

A good opportunity for newbies to learn how to use their killfiles....

--
Oz
This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious.

BTOPENWORLD address about to cease. DEMON address no longer in use.
Use
still functions.

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Be still! and revere Oz, who blessed us with their presence on 25 Jul
2004...

P.Kyle esquire writes

STOP ABUSING INTERNET

YES!

A good opportunity for newbies to learn how to use their killfiles....

Your sig is too big for demon.local. Reduce it, or we will dig, threaten
and sue. It's remarkable what a little digging can produce. Oho!

--
The Reverend Parson Peter Parsnip
VISIT ME ONLINE AT: http://peterparsnip.blogspot.com/

"Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with
the rod, he shall not die." -- Proverbs 23:13 (AV)

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 19:29:41 +0100, Oz
wrote:

P.Kyle esquire writes

STOP ABUSING INTERNET

YES!

A good opportunity for newbies to learn how to use their killfiles....

Oz! What are you doing in demon.local?

Get out, now, while you still have the chance!

--
Paul {Hamilton Rooney}

Owner of the newsgroup demon.local

"Chris {Hamilton Hill} will certainly post the appropriate email if required" - J {Hamilton K}
"What sort of proof would you like? I could post the email from Demon's
legal team, complete with headers" - Chris {Hamilton Hill}
Oho!

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Oz wrote in
:

P.Kyle esquire writes

STOP ABUSING INTERNET

YES!

A good opportunity for newbies to learn how to use their killfiles....


What is a newbie?

--
Phil Kyle esq.

http://philkyle2003.reachme.at/

"That's not cheese, it's the product of an unwashed foreskin."

- Craig "I like cheese" Oldfield

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In article , Phil L
writes
wrote:
:: It has to do with the subject.


At least you trimmed the NG's you posted it to....now if everyone does this,
normality may prevail.


And I, who KFs cross posts, get to see it. ;-/

(I'm not seriously suggesting you should all continue to cross post to
save me the trouble of kfing the thread)

--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

OXFORD BUILDERS BACK OUT of animal research laboratory at Oxford. HOORAY another one bites the d
 

In article , Phil L
writes
wrote:
:: It has to do with the subject.


At least you trimmed the NG's you posted it to....now if everyone does this,
normality may prevail.


And I, who KFs cross posts, get to see it. ;-/

(I'm not seriously suggesting you should all continue to cross post to
save me the trouble of kfing the thread)

--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"

OXFORD BUILDERS BACK OUT of animal research laboratory at Oxford. HOORAY another one bites the d
 

On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:20:59 GMT, "Phil L"
wrote:

:: another mystery for you to solve.

/yawn/

PLONK
--
Martin

OXFORD BUILDERS BACK OUT of animal research laboratory at Oxford. HOORAY another one bites the d
 

Too many miss the point. (sometimes quite deliberately in pursuit of their
views)

There are very few people who like the idea of killing animals for pleasure.
I and as do most civilised people, find the very idea abhorrent.

But sacrificing some animals for the greater good of another animal
species - humans - is a different matter altogether. Of course we need to
minimise the potential stress. But taking the argument its logical
conclusion, any predator animal, be it a lion, crocodile, human, must be
considered evil for the very reason that it is doing something that puts its
own survival before that of its prey. That is nonsense.

Of course, the true position is that if a lion does NOT kill other animals,
then it dies sooner than it needs to. If a human does NOT occasionally kill
other animals, it dies earlier than is necessary.

So isn't that exactly what humans are doing by experiments with animals? We
need/want to look after our own survival and the occasion arises when our
prey is just that - prey in the sense that killing these other animals helps
us stay alive longer.

Jack

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Jack Harrison writes
So isn't that exactly what humans are doing by experiments with animals? We
need/want to look after our own survival and the occasion arises when our
prey is just that - prey in the sense that killing these other animals helps
us stay alive longer.

A quite astonishing amount of drugs are used on pets. I forget the exact
figures but something like 15% of antibiotics are used for 'companion
animals'. I guess this is because they live mush shorter lives than
humans so several will reach old age, and need drugs, to each human.

--
Oz
This post is worth absolutely nothing and is probably fallacious.

BTOPENWORLD address about to cease. DEMON address no longer in use.
Use
still functions.

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"Jack Harrison" wrote in message
news:410421c1$0$113 Of course, the true position is that if a lion does NOT
kill other animals,
then it dies sooner than it needs to. If a human does NOT occasionally
kill
other animals, it dies earlier than is necessary.
--------------------------------------------------
Only problem with your argument is that the Lion only kills to feed itself.
Not as a means to develop some medicine or cosmetic lotion.

So isn't that exactly what humans are doing by experiments with animals?
We
need/want to look after our own survival and the occasion arises when our
prey is just that - prey in the sense that killing these other animals
helps
us stay alive longer.
----------------------------------------------------
As you seem to place all animals in a pecking order here is a thought.
We kill enough fully functional placid animals for food. If we need to
experiment with drugs, their are thousands of dysfunctional animals that
prey on fellow animals, sitting in prisons all over the country. Why dont we
prey on these for research on medicine.

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"Ray" wrote in message
...

....

What more do you want?


An admission from you that you are an animal rights activist. That should
be enough to allow anyone else who encounters this thread to determine the
truth.

Michael Saunby

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"Michael Saunby" wrote in
:


"Ray" wrote in message
...

...

What more do you want?


An admission from you that you are an animal rights activist. That
should be enough to allow anyone else who encounters this thread to
determine the truth.

Michael Saunby




Because being an animals rights activist is a crime, is it?

--
Phil Kyle esq.

http://philkyle2003.reachme.at/

"That's not cheese, it's the product of an unwashed foreskin."

- Craig "I like cheese" Oldfield

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"P.Kyle esquire" wrote in message
05.41...


Because being an animals rights activist is a crime, is it?


Not yet; but it should be enough for any sensible person to establish that
Ray is a liar, or at least prepared to lie big time to in an attempt to
struggle his way towards the moral high ground. A place he can only ever
dream about.

Michael Saunby