GwG wrote:
"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
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the SED into account when setting the conditions of your permit. You may
need to be taking action now, use the links below for more information
on SED./Quote

Sorry to but in, but aren't you spending a little too much time arguing
with an obvious nutter?

Walt Davidson wrote:
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:37:42 GMT, yoss
wrote:


Sorry to but in, but aren't you spending a little too much time arguing
with an obvious nutter?


I know both he and you are obvious nutters ... but hey, it's fun!
:-)


Oi! Leave me out of this. :p

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:01:53 +0100, "GwG" wrote:

If so, why not name the preservative, instead of vaguely referring to it
as "One of the wood preservative agents mentioned in an earlier posting"
I have read somewhere that certain forms of creosote are harmful, but I
think those forms of creosote are harmful, no matter how they are
applied, so they probably should not be used anyway.
Am I being ignorant of the law regarding the spraying of preservatives
on fences, or does the law specifically refer to the spraying of toxic
substances on fences?

Hi,

All preservatives will have a 'COSHH/MHDS' sheet available from the
manufacturers which will give precautions for application and use.

Also bear in mind creosote type stuff stinks like crazy, and might not
make your garden a more pleasant environment, or endear you to your
neighbours. It's probably overkill for a fence, there are better
alternatives available.

cheers,
Pete.

In article ,
Pete C writes:
|
| Also bear in mind creosote type stuff stinks like crazy, and might not
| make your garden a more pleasant environment, or endear you to your
| neighbours. It's probably overkill for a fence, there are better
| alternatives available.

Like what? Creosote works, BECAUSE it is nasty. Most of the others
are fairly useless as preservatives, though they come in pretty
colours.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article ,
Pete C writes:

Also bear in mind creosote type stuff stinks like crazy, and might
not make your garden a more pleasant environment, or endear you to
your neighbours. It's probably overkill for a fence, there are
better alternatives available.

Like what? Creosote works, BECAUSE it is nasty. Most of the others
are fairly useless as preservatives, though they come in pretty
colours.


I know this link is for Solihul, but it is a countrywide law and this site
explains it quite well.
http://www.solihull.gov.uk/wwwce/asp...cle.asp?id=349

"Tenex" wrote
if you're using creosote then some grades can be sprayed using a
standard cheap garden pressure sprayer.

Which inspired me to chase up the current rules on Creosote. Best I
found was http://www.hse.gov.uk/hthdir/noframes/creosote.htm It's no
longer even legal to use up old stock bought before the ban, it seems.

It's still available for industrial processes, but the controls are
severe.

If you google for 'creosote substitute' then there are a few availble,
and I have bought one from a local hardware store. Not sure I'd put
it in a sprayer, though, any more than I would old fashioned creosote.

"roy" wrote in message
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They should be banned

They aren't and there is not a law against using them.

and people like you who use them
jailed for inflicting airborn contaminants/vocs/preservatives

You don't know what type of 'paint' I am planning to spray do you?

on your neighbours.

Who said I had neighbours?

If you want to make and song and dance about polluting the air I suggest you
begin by having a go at industry such as municipal waste incinerators and
other industrial processes. Or how about the release of radioactive gases
into the air by nuclear power stations, and the greenhouse gases emissions
produced by destructive logging and burning fossil fuels like oil, coal and
gas? Have ago at industry and the government if you want to be productive in
stopping air pollution, but I doubt being productive is your forte. In fact
lets hope for the sake of humanity that you are not capable of
re-production - not having children would be your greatest contribution to
this planet.

Why have a go at a guy painting his fence...I suggest you remove whatever it
is that has crawled up your arse and died. (and dispose of it safely and in
an environmentally friendly way.)

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:31:26 +0100, Oo wrote:

Hi

I have quite a bit of garden fencing that needs painted, I fancy using
some kind of sprayer (preferably electric and as cheap as possible). Any
ideas?


Many thanks!!

Kind regards


Oo

THANKS to those who responded with *useful* and informative info.


"Oo" wrote in message
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Hi

I have quite a bit of garden fencing that needs painted, I fancy using
some kind of sprayer (preferably electric and as cheap as possible). Any
ideas?


Many thanks!!

Kind regards


Oo

In article ,
Jackie Green . uk wrote:
Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article ,
Pete C writes:

Also bear in mind creosote type stuff stinks like crazy, and might
not make your garden a more pleasant environment, or endear you to
your neighbours. It's probably overkill for a fence, there are
better alternatives available.

Like what? Creosote works, BECAUSE it is nasty. Most of the others
are fairly useless as preservatives, though they come in pretty
colours.

I know this link is for Solihul, but it is a countrywide law and this site
explains it quite well.
http://www.solihull.gov.uk/wwwce/asp...cle.asp?id=349

That figures. "Domestic use isn't a serious problem, so we are making
it illegal." Typical of those idiots.

But that wasn't the point. I queried the statement that there were
better products available. Most of the gimmicky ones encouraged for
domestic use will colour the wood, and do little else.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:39:31 +0100, "GwG" wrote:

in fact, I have never even considered that there
could be a problem, but to suggest jailing me for not being aware,
without even offering any education on the subject, seems a bit
extreme.

Ignorance of the law is no defence. It is an offence to pollute the
atmosphere ... full stop.

That is twaddle. Think of motor cars, electric power plants,
bonfires, incinerators.............

One of the wood preservative agents mentioned in an earlier posting
contains a particularly toxic cocktail of pollutants.

Which preservative?
What does the cocktail of pollutants consist of?
Why should spraying a fence necessarily pollute the atmosphere? I
would have thought the spray components which don't land on the fence
would settle out in a matter of a few tens of seconds.

Franz

"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
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In article ,
Walt Davidson writes:
| On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:39:31 +0100, "GwG" wrote:
|
| in fact, I have never even considered that there
| could be a problem, but to suggest jailing me for not being
aware,
| without even offering any education on the subject, seems a bit
extreme.
|
| Ignorance of the law is no defence. It is an offence to pollute
the
| atmosphere ... full stop.

No, it isn't. If it were, using a motor vehicle would be a crime.
And spraying a fence is not an offence.

| One of the wood preservative agents mentioned in an earlier
posting
| contains a particularly toxic cocktail of pollutants.

If you mean creosote then, yes, it does. But they are not
particularly
volatile, and the main danger is to the person applying it. It is
also grossly exaggerated by the scientifically ignorant.

Unless my memory is wrong, creosote is no longer a component of the
wood preservatives on the retail market.

Franz

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
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[snip]
I am not here to argue with you.

What was the purpose of your intervention then?

Franz

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:05:32 +0100, "Viking Stodge"
wrote:

All due respect

And none at all to you.

From a personal point of view, if I had a neighbour who started
quoting EU
regulations and VOC's I would buy the largest, noisiest compressor
I could
find and spray away to my hearts content.......with a big smile on
my face.

I expect you would .... like the selfish, antisocial ******* that
you
are.

Well, you don'e exactly appear to be a very social sort of *******.
Are you constipated or something?

Franz

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:01:53 +0100, "GwG" wrote:

It would have been helpful to have a reference to a particular law
regarding fence spraying, (as this is what is being discussed
here),
then I might be suitably informed of what I am being ignorant
about. Is
it just certain chemicals that should not be sprayed, or is it
illegal
to spray any preservatives on a fence, no matter how safe that
preservative may be?

THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ACT 1990 (EPA 1990)
Part I: Integrated Pollution Control (IPC) and Local Authority Air
Pollution Control (LAAPC)

Section PG6/33(97) - wood coating processes.

It is difficult for me to get a copy of that document. Perhaps you
couls post one or two relevant sentences here? You would then be
educating a large number of urglers simultaneously.

Franz

Franz

"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:31:20 +0100, "GwG" wrote:

Without doubt, noxious vapours emitted as a result of spraying
garden
fences with preservatives would come under the heading of "fumes or
gases from private dwellings".

Which idiot other than you would contemplate spraying his garden fence
from a position in his private dwelling? Surely it would be more
efficacious to stand right next to the fence?

Even an unpleasant odour from the
preservative agent used might be deemed to "interfere with a
person's
legitimate use of land, such as neighbours in their homes and
gardens".

As would a mighty fart.

Have you ever been in the countryside when the farmers are occupied
with muckspreading? Is it illegal? My house and garden are enveloped
in what is euphemistically called an agricultural smell at those
times. Do you really think I could sue the farmers?

Franz