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my grandfather (he's 96) tells me to keep all used teabags empty them and through them in the garden is this good food for the plants/vegetables, soil or just an old wives tale
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In article , gramgill writes: | | my grandfather (he's 96) tells me to keep all used teabags empty them | and through them in the garden is this good food for the | plants/vegetables, soil or just an old wives tale Nah. Just throw them on the compost heap (or garden, if you like); don't bother about emptying them. Yes, he's right - and they are particularly appropriate (even uncomposted) for plants like camellias that like a bed of leaf mould (which is roughly what used tea leaves are). Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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writes my grandfather (he's 96) tells me to keep all used teabags empty them and through them in the garden is this good food for the plants/vegetables, soil or just an old wives tale I use them on mine. -- June Hughes |
"June Hughes" wrote in message ... In message , gramgill writes my grandfather (he's 96) tells me to keep all used teabags empty them and through them in the garden is this good food for the plants/vegetables, soil or just an old wives tale My mum does this - she says they don't rot down very fast if they're put complete into the compost heap. Andy. |
"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , gramgill writes: | | my grandfather (he's 96) tells me to keep all used teabags empty them | and through them in the garden is this good food for the | plants/vegetables, soil or just an old wives tale Nah. Just throw them on the compost heap (or garden, if you like); don't bother about emptying them. Yes, he's right - and they are particularly appropriate (even uncomposted) for plants like camellias that like a bed of leaf mould (which is roughly what used tea leaves are). You'll have to be either very young or a very avid tea drinker to provide a reasonable bed of mould for a camellia {:-)) Franz |
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"June Hughes" wrote in message ... In message , gramgill writes my grandfather (he's 96) tells me to keep all used teabags empty them and through them in the garden is this good food for the plants/vegetables, soil or just an old wives tale My mum does this - she says they don't rot down very fast if they're put complete into the compost heap. But tea leaves are high in nitrogen, so they're a good thing. You can rip each bag in half as you chuck it in the compost bucket to spread them out, of course, and the fibres in the bag itself will break down sooner or later. Mike. |
In article , "Oxymel of Squill" writes: | very dangerous advice if the word of Brussels is to be believed. The EU | recently declared the teabag (a construction od leaves and paper) to be an | 'animal product' and banned Cardiff Council from adding them to its | composting process | http://www.independence.org.uk/abc_n...hp?t=1&id=1169 Not at all. That is nonsense perpetrated by the Little Englanders, whose only skill appears to be in persuading the (admittedly stupid) UK population to believe their lies. If you take a further look, and bother to find out about the reasons for the rule (which isn't what is said), you will find that it is rooted in an attempt to get particularly unscientific and deliberately negligent counties (like the UK) to avoid creating another epidemic like the foot and mouth one. The rule might be ridiculous, but the fact that such rules are needed because we can't trust our own government to look after our own interests is worse. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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very dangerous advice if the word of Brussels is to be believed. The EU recently declared the teabag (a construction od leaves and paper) to be an 'animal product' and banned Cardiff Council from adding them to its composting process http://www.independence.org.uk/abc_n...hp?t=1&id=1169 [...] Well, crazy as it sounds, this is no "straight banana" story. It's the milk residues in _used_ teabags which are suspect; and this is part of the battery of precautions against foot-and-mouth disease. Overkill, I'm sure, especially as it's hard to get proper unpasteurised milk these days, and unenforceable; but if you're going to ban animal products from municipal compost I suppose you just have to ban them all. Vaccinate the cattle, I say. Or even treat the disease when it comes up, and let our cattle develop a degree of immunity. But we don't do sensible round here. Mike. |
On 28 Jan 2005 10:36:16 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
~ ~In article , ~"Oxymel of Squill" writes: ~| very dangerous advice if the word of Brussels is to be believed. The EU ~| recently declared the teabag (a construction od leaves and paper) to be an ~| 'animal product' and banned Cardiff Council from adding them to its ~| composting process ~| http://www.independence.org.uk/abc_n...hp?t=1&id=1169 ~ ~Not at all. That is nonsense perpetrated by the Little Englanders, ~whose only skill appears to be in persuading the (admittedly stupid) ~UK population to believe their lies. The actual problem is that some people make tea by putting milk and a teabag in a cup or mug then adding hot water, so the milk (definitely an animal product!) may well be on the teabags. Personally I shiver at the thought of putting water onto cold milk and teabag, as the resulting tea tastes awful! One of my work colleagues makes it like that, and I didn't realise for some time why her offerings tasted weird compared with everyone else's, until one day I was watching... Now we'll no doubt have a discussion on the benefits of whether it's tea first or milk first :-))) ~If you take a further look, and bother to find out about the reasons ~for the rule (which isn't what is said), you will find that it is ~rooted in an attempt to get particularly unscientific and deliberately ~negligent counties (like the UK) to avoid creating another epidemic ~like the foot and mouth one. The rule might be ridiculous, but the ~fact that such rules are needed because we can't trust our own ~government to look after our own interests is worse. ~ or folk don't know how to make tea???? ;-) ;-) ;-) I compost all my teabags (definitely no milk added), fwiw. For a while I also composted work's, which was a very large number but the storage buckets kept going mouldy between my weekly collections and some folk just fished out their bags sopping wet and shoved them in without squeezing so it was often awash... urgh. Ah the perils of trying to be green... -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
On my garden empty tea bags rotted down much, much later rather than sooner.
Fed up with seeing them scattered around the borders, I now throw them in the wheelie bin. D.D. --- "Mike Lyle" wrote in a message: You can rip each bag in half as you chuck it in the compost bucket to spread them out, of course, and the fibres in the bag itself will break down sooner or later. |
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Doubledigger wrote: On my garden empty tea bags rotted down much, much later rather than sooner. Fed up with seeing them scattered around the borders, I now throw them in the wheelie bin. How very unadventurous. Why not: Use them as ammunition for a CATapult? Build a raised bed for peat-loving plants? Use them as sandbags when the icecaps melt and England floods? Dry them and burn them for an Irish turf fire experience? I am sure that people can think of other gardening ideas .... Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , Doubledigger wrote: On my garden empty tea bags rotted down much, much later rather than sooner. Fed up with seeing them scattered around the borders, I now throw them in the wheelie bin. How very unadventurous. Why not: Use them as ammunition for a CATapult? Build a raised bed for peat-loving plants? Use them as sandbags when the icecaps melt and England floods? Dry them and burn them for an Irish turf fire experience? I am sure that people can think of other gardening ideas .... Regards, Nick Maclaren. Use to cover the hole in the bottom of flowerpots........... String up for the birds - British birds would probably love a dried cuppa, or they could use them as nest material...... Jenny |
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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , "Oxymel of Squill" writes: | very dangerous advice if the word of Brussels is to be believed. The EU | recently declared the teabag (a construction od leaves and paper) to be an | 'animal product' and banned Cardiff Council from adding them to its | composting process | http://www.independence.org.uk/abc_n...hp?t=1&id=1169 Not at all. That is nonsense perpetrated by the Little Englanders, whose only skill appears to be in persuading the (admittedly stupid) UK population to believe their lies. What precisely are you asserting is the lie? That teabags contaminated by milk are classified as an animal product, and cannot be low-temperature composted? If you take a further look, and bother to find out about the reasons for the rule (which isn't what is said), you will find that it is rooted in an attempt to get particularly unscientific and deliberately negligent counties (like the UK) to avoid creating another epidemic like the foot and mouth one. More exactly, it would be countries with particularly unscientific and deliberately negligent governments (like the current UK one). The rule might be ridiculous, but the fact that such rules are needed because we can't trust our own government to look after our own interests is worse. -and the smokescreen laid down by europhiliacs attempting to deny that kitchen refuse was banned from being composted would feature where in your weltanschauung? -- Anton |
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writes How very unadventurous. Why not: Use them as ammunition for a CATapult? Build a raised bed for peat-loving plants? Use them as sandbags when the icecaps melt and England floods? Dry them and burn them for an Irish turf fire experience? I am sure that people can think of other gardening ideas .... Stand by for a very long and interesting list from Janet Barraclough, she's one of the most adventurous and inventive 'recyclers' I know :) Janet -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , "Oxymel of Squill" writes: very dangerous advice if the word of Brussels is to be believed. The EU recently declared the teabag (a construction od leaves and paper) to be an 'animal product' and banned Cardiff Council from adding them to its composting process http://www.independence.org.uk/abc_n...hp?t=1&id=1169 Not at all. That is nonsense perpetrated by the Little Englanders, whose only skill appears to be in persuading the (admittedly stupid) UK population to believe their lies. What precisely are you asserting is the lie? That teabags contaminated by milk are classified as an animal product, and cannot be low-temperature composted? No, the way that clarification was hidden from the casual reader. This may or may not have been deliberate misrepresentation: I don't know, so I won't call it a flat-out lie for now. The way it was said that the EU banned Cardiff Council from doing something, when it was the Council's own decision. A daft-sounding, and pretty nearly unworkable, but actually reasonable, decision. I agree that it was based on an EU rule, so I suppose you could call it an EU ban; but these things can always be presented in either a neutral way, or one loaded to one side or the other. If you take a further look, and bother to find out about the reasons for the rule (which isn't what is said), you will find that it is rooted in an attempt to get particularly unscientific and deliberately negligent counties (like the UK) to avoid creating another epidemic like the foot and mouth one. More exactly, it would be countries with particularly unscientific and deliberately negligent governments (like the current UK one). Not just the current one: all British Governments are like that. The rule might be ridiculous, but the fact that such rules are needed because we can't trust our own government to look after our own interests is worse. -and the smokescreen laid down by europhiliacs attempting to deny that kitchen refuse was banned from being composted would feature where in your weltanschauung? No, it could be argued that the smokescreen is laid by Europhobes. The OP, for example, was given the impression that tea-bags, as such, were classified as an animal product: this impression is false. That's a feature of my weltschmerz. Mike. |
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~On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:08:03 +0100, wrote: ~ ~On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 10:48:48 +0000 (UTC), "anton" wrote: ~ ~ ~"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... ~ ~ In article , ~ "Oxymel of Squill" writes: ~ | very dangerous advice if the word of Brussels is to be believed. The EU ~ | recently declared the teabag (a construction od leaves and paper) to be ~an ~ | 'animal product' and banned Cardiff Council from adding them to its ~ | composting process ~ | http://www.independence.org.uk/abc_n...hp?t=1&id=1169 ~ ~ Not at all. That is nonsense perpetrated by the Little Englanders, ~ whose only skill appears to be in persuading the (admittedly stupid) ~ UK population to believe their lies. ~ ~What precisely are you asserting is the lie? That teabags contaminated by ~milk are classified as an animal product, and cannot be low-temperature ~composted? ~ ~Tea bags are not mentioned in the legislation ~http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/s...20031482.htm#4 ~ ~The real problem is ... ~ ~"The city’s problem is that the council does not possess a ~high-temperature composting plant, which the EU directive requires to ~ensure that any undesirable organisms are killed off. Indeed, there is ~no such plant anywhere in Wales." This is actually rather more worrying. If the central composting plant cannot get to high temperatures, how on earth are they going to prevent the resulting compost spreading somebody's dumped Japanese Knotweed or horsetail all over Wales??? Urk. South Welsh gardeners may be wise to avoid buying the resulting compost! -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
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jane wrote: This is actually rather more worrying. If the central composting plant cannot get to high temperatures, how on earth are they going to prevent the resulting compost spreading somebody's dumped Japanese Knotweed or horsetail all over Wales??? Urk. South Welsh gardeners may be wise to avoid buying the resulting compost! Well, they may be, but not for that reason. Such roots don't last long even in a 'cold' composting process, because they have to either grow or die - and there isn't enough light (and often not enough air) to grow. Also, when they do sprout, the new growth is very susceptible to attack by bacteria and fungi. The danger comes from bacteria, fungi etc. with resistant spores, such as tetanus or anthrax (neither currently a major problem in the UK), and possibly things like white rot of alliums. I don't know which plant pathogens have resistant spores, but it is fewer than most people think. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from "anton" contains these words: -and the smokescreen laid down by europhiliacs attempting to deny that kitchen refuse was banned from being composted would feature where in your weltanschauung? UK kitchen refuse is not banned from composting http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/...cs/kitchen.htm From your source: "This effectively means that compost produced from kitchen waste cannot be spread onto land" so while you can compost it, you cannot legally spread the compost onto land' Bit pointless really, composting, isn't it, unless you 'spread it on land'. (and as I recall, the earlier claims that it was, stemmed from careless reading of Defra's statement on composting of industrial foodwaste.) The legislation is not restricted to industrial foodwaste. Again from your source: "The amended Animal By-products Order ***will*** also exempt domestic households from the need to be licensed by the State Veterinary Service to compost catering/kitchen waste." [My emphasis added] So the ******* have made illegal what nearly everyone in this ng is doing, and since then have been trying to avoid admitting it. I'm even deeper in the soup, because I have hens. Happy composting, -- Anton |
wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:47:49 -0000, "Mike Lyle" wrote: anton wrote: "Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , "Oxymel of Squill" writes: very dangerous advice if the word of Brussels is to be believed. The EU recently declared the teabag (a construction od leaves and paper) to be an 'animal product' and banned Cardiff Council from adding them to its composting process http://www.independence.org.uk/abc_n...hp?t=1&id=1169 Not at all. That is nonsense perpetrated by the Little Englanders, whose only skill appears to be in persuading the (admittedly stupid) UK population to believe their lies. What precisely are you asserting is the lie? That teabags contaminated by milk are classified as an animal product, and cannot be low-temperature composted? No, the way that clarification was hidden from the casual reader. This may or may not have been deliberate misrepresentation: I don't know, so I won't call it a flat-out lie for now. The way it was said that the EU banned Cardiff Council from doing something, when it was the Council's own decision. A daft-sounding, and pretty nearly unworkable, but actually reasonable, decision. I agree that it was based on an EU rule, so I suppose you could call it an EU ban; but these things can always be presented in either a neutral way, or one loaded to one side or the other. If you take a further look, and bother to find out about the reasons for the rule (which isn't what is said), you will find that it is rooted in an attempt to get particularly unscientific and deliberately negligent counties (like the UK) to avoid creating another epidemic like the foot and mouth one. More exactly, it would be countries with particularly unscientific and deliberately negligent governments (like the current UK one). Not just the current one: all British Governments are like that. Yes. /All/ Britsh govts deliberately negligent? Only one government has ever allowed f & m to spread, avoiding calling the army in, because they wanted to hold to their schedule for an early election. The rule might be ridiculous, but the fact that such rules are needed because we can't trust our own government to look after our own interests is worse. -and the smokescreen laid down by europhiliacs attempting to deny that kitchen refuse was banned from being composted would feature where in your weltanschauung? What is banned is the production of unsterilised compost. More or less true. What's actually banned is spreading it on land. So millions of householders are breaking the law. No, it could be argued that the smokescreen is laid by Europhobes. The OP, for example, was given the impression that tea-bags, as such, were classified as an animal product: this impression is false. That's a feature of my weltschmerz. I'm not with you. 'The reason, according to the EU's Animal By-Products Order 1999, is that teabags, and indeed used coffee filters, could have come in contact with contaminated milk' Seems a pretty clear statement. Which word don't you like? It's interesting the way that a google search for this sort of disinformation/nonesense usually leads to a Rupert Murdoch publication. It's more interesting that pro-EU propaganda fails when the legislation itself is actually unearthed. -- Anton |
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from "anton" contains these words: -and the smokescreen laid down by europhiliacs attempting to deny that kitchen refuse was banned from being composted would feature where in your weltanschauung? UK kitchen refuse is not banned from composting http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/...cs/kitchen.htm From your source: "This effectively means that compost produced from kitchen waste cannot be spread onto land" so while you can compost it, you cannot legally spread the compost onto land' Bit pointless really, composting, isn't it, unless you 'spread it on land'. (and as I recall, the earlier claims that it was, stemmed from careless reading of Defra's statement on composting of industrial foodwaste.) The legislation is not restricted to industrial foodwaste. Again from your source: "The amended Animal By-products Order ***will*** also exempt domestic households from the need to be licensed by the State Veterinary Service to compost catering/kitchen waste." [My emphasis added] So the ******* have made illegal what nearly everyone in this ng is doing, and since then have been trying to avoid admitting it. I'm even deeper in the soup, because I have hens. Happy composting, ¿Que? I could have sworn that said domestic households ***will*** be exempted! Must be getting old. Mike. |
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wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Jan 2005 13:47:49 -0000, "Mike Lyle" wrote: anton wrote: "Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , "Oxymel of Squill" writes: very dangerous advice if the word of Brussels is to be believed. The EU recently declared the teabag (a construction od leaves and paper) to be an 'animal product' and banned Cardiff Council from adding them to its composting process http://www.independence.org.uk/abc_n...hp?t=1&id=1169 Not at all. That is nonsense perpetrated by the Little Englanders, whose only skill appears to be in persuading the (admittedly stupid) UK population to believe their lies. What precisely are you asserting is the lie? That teabags contaminated by milk are classified as an animal product, and cannot be low-temperature composted? No, the way that clarification was hidden from the casual reader. This may or may not have been deliberate misrepresentation: I don't know, so I won't call it a flat-out lie for now. The way it was said that the EU banned Cardiff Council from doing something, when it was the Council's own decision. A daft-sounding, and pretty nearly unworkable, but actually reasonable, decision. I agree that it was based on an EU rule, so I suppose you could call it an EU ban; but these things can always be presented in either a neutral way, or one loaded to one side or the other. If you take a further look, and bother to find out about the reasons for the rule (which isn't what is said), you will find that it is rooted in an attempt to get particularly unscientific and deliberately negligent counties (like the UK) to avoid creating another epidemic like the foot and mouth one. More exactly, it would be countries with particularly unscientific and deliberately negligent governments (like the current UK one). Not just the current one: all British Governments are like that. Yes. /All/ Britsh govts deliberately negligent? Only one government has ever allowed f & m to spread, avoiding calling the army in, because they wanted to hold to their schedule for an early election. I said all Br Govts were particularly unscientific and deliberately negligent. I didn't specify foot-and-mouth; but on that I think they've all been both unscientific and gutless to the point of something hard to distinguish from negligence. The rule might be ridiculous, but the fact that such rules are needed because we can't trust our own government to look after our own interests is worse. -and the smokescreen laid down by europhiliacs attempting to deny that kitchen refuse was banned from being composted would feature where in your weltanschauung? What is banned is the production of unsterilised compost. More or less true. What's actually banned is spreading it on land. So millions of householders are breaking the law. No, it could be argued that the smokescreen is laid by Europhobes. The OP, for example, was given the impression that tea-bags, as such, were classified as an animal product: this impression is false. That's a feature of my weltschmerz. I'm not with you. 'The reason, according to the EU's Animal By-Products Order 1999, is that teabags, and indeed used coffee filters, could have come in contact with contaminated milk' Seems a pretty clear statement. Which word don't you like? The reference is indeed clear: taking the link as a whole it's clearly to used tea-bags, not to tea-bags as such. You appear to have said as much yourself earlier in the thread. It's interesting the way that a google search for this sort of disinformation/nonesense usually leads to a Rupert Murdoch publication. It's more interesting that pro-EU propaganda fails when the legislation itself is actually unearthed. I don't think I've actually _seen_ any pro-EU propaganda in this country for a generation or so. It's time there was some. Mike. |
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Mike Lyle wrote: anton wrote: /All/ Britsh govts deliberately negligent? Only one government has ever allowed f & m to spread, avoiding calling the army in, because they wanted to hold to their schedule for an early election. I said all Br Govts were particularly unscientific and deliberately negligent. I didn't specify foot-and-mouth; but on that I think they've all been both unscientific and gutless to the point of something hard to distinguish from negligence. All recent ones, certainly. The actions that led to the creation of BSE (a UK exclusive - a new disease!) started during the reign of the Blessed Margaret. I doubt that she had anything to do with it, though, not even by appointing particularly clueless and boot-licking (to large, unscrupulous corporations) ministers. I am pretty certain that the decisions were never put in front of any minister in a way that they could reasonably have been expected to realise possible consequences. The actions leading to the foot and mouth epidemic were nearly as old, and those leading to the import of Dutch elm disease were older. In all cases (as with the Manchester aircraft fire, the Herald of Free Enterprise, the Falklands invasion and others), the experts had been trying to explain why the consequence was inevitable for some years, but were being ignored. Whitehall rules, irresponsibly. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
SNIP The reference is indeed clear: taking the link as a whole it's clearly to used tea-bags, not to tea-bags as such. Hands up those who compost unused teabags. Steve |
"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message ... In article , Nick Maclaren writes How very unadventurous. Why not: Use them as ammunition for a CATapult? Build a raised bed for peat-loving plants? Use them as sandbags when the icecaps melt and England floods? Dry them and burn them for an Irish turf fire experience? I am sure that people can think of other gardening ideas .... Ericaceous mini-growbags? Steve |
On 30 Jan 2005 20:19:24 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
~In article , ~jane wrote: ~ ~This is actually rather more worrying. If the central composting plant ~cannot get to high temperatures, how on earth are they going to ~prevent the resulting compost spreading somebody's dumped Japanese ~Knotweed or horsetail all over Wales??? ~ ~Urk. South Welsh gardeners may be wise to avoid buying the resulting ~compost! ~ ~Well, they may be, but not for that reason. Such roots don't last ~long even in a 'cold' composting process, because they have to either ~grow or die - and there isn't enough light (and often not enough air) ~to grow. Also, when they do sprout, the new growth is very susceptible ~to attack by bacteria and fungi. er, I think it *can* survive http://www.compost.me.uk/html/japanese_knotweed.html "The results of the study suggest that for regeneration to be prevented a temperature greater than 55oC needs to be maintained in the compost, for at least one week." So I guess the question is how hot does it actually get? ~The danger comes from bacteria, fungi etc. with resistant spores, such ~as tetanus or anthrax (neither currently a major problem in the UK), ~and possibly things like white rot of alliums. I don't know which ~plant pathogens have resistant spores, but it is fewer than most people ~think. mmm I'd hate to acquire white rot or anything else for that matter via poorly made compost. I could do right now with about a ton of topsoil for my new lottie raised beds but not till I find a reputable supplier for that and the organic matter it will no doubt need mixing with. Ah, the joys of organic veggie gardening! -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from "anton" contains these words: "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... UK kitchen refuse is not banned from composting http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/...cs/kitchen.htm (snip) So the ******* have made illegal what nearly everyone in this ng is doing, and since then have been trying to avoid admitting it. You're misleading this group. No. Defra's website is not as clear as it should be, because it refers to the 'amended legislation' without making it totally clear as to whether the relevant amendment is the 2001 amendment or the 'pending' amendment. However, "Pending the amending of the legislation, spreading on land composted waste that contains meat, or could have come into contact with meat, or has been in premises that also handle meat, remains illegal" makes it clear enough. Here is what Defra says, spelled out for you from the source I quoted above. *" Q3. Under the amended legislation, ****will*** householders who keep pets or other animals (which would *access composted material spread on their land) be allowed to use composted kitchen waste on their *gardens? *Yes, subject to certain conditions (see below) and providing it is composted from the kitchen waste *of the household. [my emphasis added above] You missed the future tense in the 'will'. I suggest that you re-read it taking careful note of how they use the future tense to tell us about what the legislation *will* be in future. It's a sad thing when government output is designed to cover their previous cock-ups and mislead us, and has to be read with a lawyer's eye to discover what the real state of affairs is. -- Anton |
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shazzbat wrote: The reference is indeed clear: taking the link as a whole it's clearly to used tea-bags, not to tea-bags as such. Hands up those who compost unused teabags. I have done :-) Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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jane wrote: ~ ~Well, they may be, but not for that reason. Such roots don't last ~long even in a 'cold' composting process, because they have to either ~grow or die - and there isn't enough light (and often not enough air) ~to grow. Also, when they do sprout, the new growth is very susceptible ~to attack by bacteria and fungi. er, I think it *can* survive http://www.compost.me.uk/html/japanese_knotweed.html "The results of the study suggest that for regeneration to be prevented a temperature greater than 55oC needs to be maintained in the compost, for at least one week." Anyone who expects to produce compost from unsorted but compostable household and garden waste in a week clearly believes in fairy godmothers. I don't have that in my garden, but my experience is that perennial weed roots (and potatoes) will often last a winter; what kills them is sprouting in warmth and damp, being unable to establish viable leaves, and being attacked by bacteria and fungi. I don't believe that perennial weeds are likely to get through any COMPLETE composting process that is capable to handling cardboard, privet prunings, orange rind and the other things that need to be composted. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... anton wrote: I'm not with you. 'The reason, according to the EU's Animal By-Products Order 1999, is that teabags, and indeed used coffee filters, could have come in contact with contaminated milk' Seems a pretty clear statement. Which word don't you like? The reference is indeed clear: taking the link as a whole it's clearly to used tea-bags, not to tea-bags as such. You appear to have said as much yourself earlier in the thread. I find it hard to imagine anybody putting any unused tea-bags on the compost heap, except as a result of an occasional mistake. {:-)) [snip] Franz |
In article , "Franz Heymann" writes: | | I find it hard to imagine anybody putting any unused tea-bags on the | compost heap, except as a result of an occasional mistake. | {:-)) Nah. We were clearing out cupboards and there were some ancient ones - not used because I don't like them much and use leaf tea. We were also given some special tea bags that were singularly repulsive (e.g. with added rhubarb and samphire) that got the same treatment. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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In article , "Franz Heymann" writes: I find it hard to imagine anybody putting any unused tea-bags on the compost heap, except as a result of an occasional mistake. {:-)) Nah. We were clearing out cupboards and there were some ancient ones - not used because I don't like them much and use leaf tea. We were also given some special tea bags that were singularly repulsive (e.g. with added rhubarb and samphire) that got the same treatment. Yep, my position, too. Though I have also composted stale leaf tea in my time. Mike. |
In article , "Mike Lyle" writes: | | Yep, my position, too. Though I have also composted stale leaf tea in | my time. Me too :-) I have never had the nerve to use it directly as a peat substitute, but I can think of few reasons not to. Black tea is, after all, only partially composted leaves .... Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , "Franz Heymann" writes: | | I find it hard to imagine anybody putting any unused tea-bags on the | compost heap, except as a result of an occasional mistake. | {:-)) Nah. We were clearing out cupboards and there were some ancient ones - not used because I don't like them much and use leaf tea. We were also given some special tea bags that were singularly repulsive (e.g. with added rhubarb and samphire) that got the same treatment. May I take it that you found something innocuous but equally repulsive to give to the giver? Franz |
wrote in message ... On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:47:48 +0000 (UTC), "anton" wrote: "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from "anton" contains these words: "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... UK kitchen refuse is not banned from composting http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/...cs/kitchen.htm (snip) So the ******* have made illegal what nearly everyone in this ng is doing, and since then have been trying to avoid admitting it. You're misleading this group. No. or yourself? Defra's website is not as clear as it should be, because it refers to the 'amended legislation' without making it totally clear as to whether the relevant amendment is the 2001 amendment or the 'pending' amendment. However, "Pending the amending of the legislation, spreading on land composted waste that contains meat, or could have come into contact with meat, or has been in premises that also handle meat, remains illegal" makes it clear enough. Milk residues in tea bags are meat? No, but the inside of an udder is, depending on your definition of meat. Franz |
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from "anton" contains these words: "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from "anton" contains these words: "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... UK kitchen refuse is not banned from composting http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/...cs/kitchen.htm (snip) So the ******* have made illegal what nearly everyone in this ng is doing, and since then have been trying to avoid admitting it. You're misleading this group. No. Defra's website is not as clear as it should be, because it refers to the 'amended legislation' without making it totally clear as to whether the relevant amendment is the 2001 amendment or the 'pending' amendment. However, "Pending the amending of the legislation, spreading on land composted waste that contains meat, or could have come into contact with meat, or has been in premises that also handle meat, remains illegal" makes it clear enough ""Use of compost from "green waste". Where green waste has been properly composted and is no longer waste then there are no restrictions on its use on land. " "However the composting and use of green (garden) waste is unaffected by these provisions." We were talking about kitchen waste, including vegetable waste from kitchens, e.g teabags, so your quote concerning green waste is irrelevant. Here is what Defra says, spelled out for you from the source I quoted above. *" Q3. Under the amended legislation, ****will*** householders who keep pets or other animals (which would *access composted material spread on their land) be allowed to use composted kitchen waste on their *gardens? *Yes, subject to certain conditions (see below) and providing it is composted from the kitchen waste *of the household. [my emphasis added above] You missed the future tense in the 'will'. I suggest that you re-read it taking careful note of how they use the future tense to tell us about what the legislation *will* be in future. You're lost in the past, it was clearly dated 2001. Don't be daft Janet- "Page published 24 April 2003; Page last modified 14 July, 2004 " Of course it's possible that defra are sufficiently clownish to refer to 2001 as being in the future on a page dated 2004. However, during a similar discussion I read the actual legislation (2001) and that indeed made it illegal to compost and spread on land /anything/ that had been in a kitchen, without any derogation for individual households. "Use of compost from "green waste". Where green waste has been properly composted and is no longer waste then there are no restrictions on its use on land. Yes. They define green waste as garden waste, and anything that has been in a kitchen and hence is potentially contaminated, is excluded from their definition of green waste. Use of compost from "mixed" waste Where catering or household waste contains meat or other products derived from animals then, although it may be composted, it may not, currently, be used on land. The Animal By- Products Order prohibits the use of this mixed compost on land where animals (including wild birds) may have access. However, this position, is set to change. The draft EU Regulation on Animal By -Products will allow the use of properly composted mixed waste on all land except pastural land. We expect this Regulation to come into force in the Spring of 2002." The above quote is not from the url you quote, and I suspect that you've missed a trick. Please give the source of your quote. -- Anton |
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 17:42:46 GMT, Janet Baraclough
wrote: ~The message ~from (Nick Maclaren) contains these words: ~ ~ In article , ~ jane wrote: ~ ~ ~ ~Well, they may be, but not for that reason. Such roots don't last ~ ~long even in a 'cold' composting process, because they have to either ~ ~grow or die - and there isn't enough light (and often not enough air) ~ ~to grow. Also, when they do sprout, the new growth is very susceptible ~ ~to attack by bacteria and fungi. ~ ~ er, I think it *can* survive ~ http://www.compost.me.uk/html/japanese_knotweed.html ~ ~ "The results of the study suggest that for regeneration to be ~ prevented a temperature greater than 55oC needs to be maintained in ~ the compost, for at least one week." ~ ~ Anyone who expects to produce compost from unsorted but compostable ~ household and garden waste in a week clearly believes in fairy ~ godmothers. ~ ~ The claim above doesn't say one week at 55 degrees is long enough to ~create compost. It says that one week of sustained 55 degrees in the ~compost process, will ensure JK plant-parts can't regenerate. Which it doesn't sound like the Welsh process can, sadly. I know we've had discussions in urg before on whether commercial composting can kill such things: now we know they may not be able to, so I shall make a point of never buying anything from the local recycling centre until all of them have to be operating to EU guidelines ie hot enough. *sigh* -- jane Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone, you may still exist but you have ceased to live. Mark Twain Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks! |
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