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McCready 03-03-2005 09:01 PM

Gardeners World
 
What happened to Chris Beardshaw?

Monty hasn't mentioned why he's disappeared.




andrewpreece 03-03-2005 09:36 PM


"McCready" wrote in message
k...
What happened to Chris Beardshaw?

Monty hasn't mentioned why he's disappeared.



I much rather have Chris back than that strange red-bad-haired woman!

Andy



Neil Tonks 04-03-2005 07:36 AM

I think this clip from his website (www.chrisbeardshaw.com) might give a
clue:

New! Chris launches The Great Garden Challenge. Chris is to present the new
gardening programme on C4 - The Great Garden Challenge. The exciting new
programme will be going out live from Blenheim Palace every afternoon from
March 21st until July and sets out to find the best gardening designers in
Britain.

Neil.


"McCready" wrote in message
k...
What happened to Chris Beardshaw?

Monty hasn't mentioned why he's disappeared.






Oxymel of Squill 04-03-2005 10:11 AM

more bloody daft ideas from telly commissioners

that crappy show with the Irish bloke last year was dreadful, I suppose this
will be of the same ilk




New! Chris launches The Great Garden Challenge. Chris is to present the
new gardening programme on C4 - The Great Garden Challenge. The exciting
new programme will be going out live from Blenheim Palace every afternoon
from March 21st until July and sets out to find the best gardening
designers in Britain.

Neil.


"McCready" wrote in message
k...
What happened to Chris Beardshaw?

Monty hasn't mentioned why he's disappeared.








jay jay 04-03-2005 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McCready
What happened to Chris Beardshaw?

Monty hasn't mentioned why he's disappeared.


And Sarah Raven wasn't there either... well, at least the dreaded A T hasn't arrived (yet)

jay jay

bigboard 04-03-2005 02:03 PM

McCready wrote:

What happened to Chris Beardshaw?

Monty hasn't mentioned why he's disappeared.



I'm not sure what's happened to him, but the compost heaps looked good.

--
The scum also rises.
-- Dr. Hunter S. Thompson


jane 04-03-2005 03:14 PM

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:01:18 GMT, "McCready"
wrote:

~What happened to Chris Beardshaw?
~
~Monty hasn't mentioned why he's disappeared.
~
Poached by the opposition I think, which is fairy snuff since the Beeb
poached Monty off C4... Fair swap to me - now all they have to do is
get rid of all the other pretties and leave just the plantspeople and
stop doing the garden tours in favour of practical stuff and I'll be
happy.

Talking of practical, anyone want to chat about the new-style BBC GW
Magazine? I opened my April one yesterday and was extremely pleasantly
surprised - hugely revamped/expanded 'what to do now' sections, a new
series on allotments covering both traditional style and raised bed
(yippee) and more of it (not visibly all adverts).

I resubbed last summer using the Tesco clubcard cheapie offer (a year
for 8 quid of tokens, so free) and so it's even better value!


--
jane

Don't part with your illusions. When they are gone,
you may still exist but you have ceased to live.
Mark Twain

Please remove onmaps from replies, thanks!

JennyC 05-03-2005 06:28 PM


"andrewpreece" wrote in message
...

"McCready" wrote in message
k...
What happened to Chris Beardshaw?

Monty hasn't mentioned why he's disappeared.



I much rather have Chris back than that strange red-bad-haired woman!

Andy


Oh !!
I liked her :~)
Jenny



Kay 05-03-2005 10:24 PM

In article , Janet Baraclough
writes
The message
from "JennyC" contains these words:


"andrewpreece" wrote in message
...


I much rather have Chris back than that strange red-bad-haired woman!


'bad-haired'?
You judge the quality of the gardening advice by the appearance of the
person giving it, do you? Or is that just when it's a woman?


Oh !!
I liked her :~)


Me too. I much prefer a skilled plant enthusiast like Carol Klein to all
those self-conscious, preening meeja personalities.

She seemed to me to be giving sensible advice in a straightforward way
without a lot of unnecessary flannel.
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"


Mike 05-03-2005 10:47 PM



I much rather have Chris back than that strange red-bad-haired woman!


'bad-haired'?
You judge the quality of the gardening advice by the appearance of the
person giving it, do you? Or is that just when it's a woman?


:-))



JennyC 06-03-2005 06:25 AM


"Kay" wrote in message
...
In article , Janet Baraclough
writes
The message
from "JennyC" contains these words:


"andrewpreece" wrote in message
...


I much rather have Chris back than that strange red-bad-haired woman!


'bad-haired'?
You judge the quality of the gardening advice by the appearance of the
person giving it, do you? Or is that just when it's a woman?


Oh !!
I liked her :~)


Me too. I much prefer a skilled plant enthusiast like Carol Klein to all
those self-conscious, preening meeja personalities.

She seemed to me to be giving sensible advice in a straightforward way
without a lot of unnecessary flannel.
--
Kay


And I liked her hair colour :~)
Jenny



mich 06-03-2005 07:52 AM


"jay jay" wrote in message
...

McCready Wrote:
What happened to Chris Beardshaw?

Monty hasn't mentioned why he's disappeared.



And Sarah Raven wasn't there either... well, at least the dreaded A T
hasn't arrived (yet)


I wish the dreaded AT would arrive actually! He is still hard to beat.
This is no comment against Monty Don but most other presenters could take a
tip ftom AT. He speaks clearly and although he has an accent it doesnt get
in the way of his clear received Englsih which is accessible to all of us no
matter where we are viewing.

AT has personality. Monty Don needs to get a bit more forceful, he is being
drowned out by his team. Teams need leaders. Presenters need good
personailites. None of the present bunch ave got - well " presence" ( AT has
it in bucket loads!)

Laisse fairre and democracies do not work well in such situations. I
preferred the " one man style" of the old programming ( even pre AT)
personally.

As for carol klein , she is certainly knowledgeable but her accent gets me
and I am having difficulty tuning into it. I find it " harsh" . I
preferred sarah raven.

OK , so I am picky.
Rant over.







JennyC 06-03-2005 11:29 AM


"mich" wrote in message
...

"jay jay" wrote in message
...

McCready Wrote:
What happened to Chris Beardshaw?

Monty hasn't mentioned why he's disappeared.



And Sarah Raven wasn't there either... well, at least the dreaded A T
hasn't arrived (yet)


I wish the dreaded AT would arrive actually! He is still hard to beat.
This is no comment against Monty Don but most other presenters could take a
tip ftom AT. He speaks clearly and although he has an accent it doesnt get
in the way of his clear received Englsih which is accessible to all of us no
matter where we are viewing.


Each to his own - I hate AT !

AT has personality. Monty Don needs to get a bit more forceful, he is being
drowned out by his team.


Ah but such a sexy voice :~))

Teams need leaders.


Disagree. The mix and match suits me fine

Presenters need good personailites. None of the present bunch ave got - well "

presence" ( AT has it in bucket loads!)

See above :~)


Laisse fairre and democracies do not work well in such situations. I
preferred the " one man style" of the old programming ( even pre AT)
personally.

As for carol klein , she is certainly knowledgeable but her accent gets me
and I am having difficulty tuning into it. I find it " harsh" . I
preferred sarah raven.


She is indeed good. I love her grubby old cloths. She lloks like a proper
gardener and makes me feel quite at home :~)

OK , so I am picky.
Rant over.


Did you notice Racheal whatsits nails ? How can she call herself a gardener with
fangs like that ?

Jenny





Alan Gould 06-03-2005 03:27 PM

In article , JennyC
writes

Did you notice Racheal whatsits nails ? How can she call herself a gardener
with
fangs like that ?

Rachel de Thame. She has put on a lot of weight since her confinement.
She is more of a gardening presenter than a gardener. Monty Don on the
other hand is a gardener to his fingertips, but he seems to have
problems in putting it over on TV. His weekly articles in the Sunday
Observer are excellent. IMHO the ghost of A.T. haunts G.W.
--
Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs.

JennyC 06-03-2005 05:55 PM


"Alan Gould" wrote in message
...
In article , JennyC
writes

Did you notice Racheal whatsits nails ? How can she call herself a gardener
with
fangs like that ?

Rachel de Thame. She has put on a lot of weight since her confinement.
She is more of a gardening presenter than a gardener. Monty Don on the
other hand is a gardener to his fingertips, but he seems to have
problems in putting it over on TV. His weekly articles in the Sunday
Observer are excellent. IMHO the ghost of A.T. haunts G.W.
Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs.


No.......the ghost of Jeff Hamilton :~(
Jenny



Kay 06-03-2005 07:05 PM

In article , JennyC
writes
Did you notice Racheal whatsits nails ? How can she call herself a gardener with
fangs like that ?


What really irritated me was the sequence of closeups of alpines each
focused on R de T's face just behind the pot.
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"


Mark Thomas 06-03-2005 08:44 PM

McCready wrote:
What happened to Chris Beardshaw?

Monty hasn't mentioned why he's disappeared.




Chris himself said on the first episode that he would be back in a
fornight....

Mark

Mike Lyle 06-03-2005 09:42 PM

Kay wrote:
In article , JennyC


writes
Did you notice Racheal whatsits nails ? How can she call herself a
gardener with fangs like that ?


What really irritated me was the sequence of closeups of alpines

each
focused on R de T's face just behind the pot.


Infuriating. But telly people think we're really interested only in
people. I hope Monty went back and covered up that raspberry root he
left exposed.

Mike.



Sacha 06-03-2005 10:44 PM

On 6/3/05 21:42, in article , "Mike Lyle"
wrote:

Kay wrote:
In article , JennyC


writes
Did you notice Racheal whatsits nails ? How can she call herself a
gardener with fangs like that ?


What really irritated me was the sequence of closeups of alpines

each
focused on R de T's face just behind the pot.


Infuriating. But telly people think we're really interested only in
people. I hope Monty went back and covered up that raspberry root he
left exposed.

Mike.


I can tell you from personal experience that you cannot 'tell' telly people
anything. A couple of years ago a series was shot for one of the sky type
channels and we were in it. The man heading it knew his stuff, his plants,
garden design etc. and was good. I made one plea - "show the names of the
plants when they appear on screen". He told us that he had absolutely no
control over that but it was up to the producers/editors in the studio. I
rest my baggage!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)


Alan Gould 07-03-2005 05:20 AM

In article , JennyC
writes
IMHO the ghost of A.T. haunts G.W.
Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs.


No.......the ghost of Jeff Hamilton :~(


Yes, sadly missed.
--
Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs.

Janet Tweedy 07-03-2005 12:18 PM

In article , Alan Gould
writes
In article , JennyC
writes
IMHO the ghost of A.T. haunts G.W.
Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs.


No.......the ghost of Jeff Hamilton :~(


Yes, sadly missed.



Whatever happened to Ally Ward? And I wish they would have a guest once
in a blue moon, the calibre of Helen Dillon for example.

janet
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Stan The Man 07-03-2005 01:56 PM

In article ,
Victoria Clare wrote:

"JennyC" wrote in :


"andrewpreece" wrote in message
...

I much rather have Chris back than that strange red-bad-haired woman!

Andy


Oh !!
I liked her :~)


She's growing on me - seems to know her stuff, but what a painful voice
that is to listen to. It's like she's gargled gravel.

I think she has a very gentle, sexy voice - and sexy smiley eyes. Of
secondary concern, she is a top plantswoman. She can also be very, very
funny. Nothing against Sarah Raven (queen of grunge), who I like for
different reasons but Carol Klein's recruitment to GW is long overdue.

Joe Swift is welcome too. His cheeky chappy cheeriness makes up for the
humour void built up by Monty, Rachel and Chris Beardshaw. I expect the
producers wanted to inject a greater variety of pace and style and I
think the new team will serve them well. I do detest Monty though and
his horticultural shortcomings must be embarrassing for the producers
at times. Give me AT any day. Another I would like to see in there is
James Alexander Sinclair (the hat man) but he probably sounds too 'BBC'
for them. Very entertaining and knowledgeable presenter though.

Stan

Victoria Clare 07-03-2005 02:09 PM

"JennyC" wrote in :


"andrewpreece" wrote in message
...

I much rather have Chris back than that strange red-bad-haired woman!

Andy


Oh !!
I liked her :~)


She's growing on me - seems to know her stuff, but what a painful voice
that is to listen to. It's like she's gargled gravel.

Victoria

Tim Challenger 07-03-2005 02:50 PM

On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:14:20 +0000 (UTC), jane wrote:

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:01:18 GMT, "McCready"
wrote:

~What happened to Chris Beardshaw?
~
~Monty hasn't mentioned why he's disappeared.
~
Poached by the opposition I think, which is fairy snuff since the Beeb
poached Monty off C4... Fair swap to me - now all they have to do is
get rid of all the other pretties and leave just the plantspeople and
stop doing the garden tours in favour of practical stuff and I'll be
happy.

Talking of practical, anyone want to chat about the new-style BBC GW
Magazine? I opened my April one yesterday and was extremely pleasantly
surprised - hugely revamped/expanded 'what to do now' sections, a new
series on allotments covering both traditional style and raised bed
(yippee) and more of it (not visibly all adverts).

I resubbed last summer using the Tesco clubcard cheapie offer (a year
for 8 quid of tokens, so free) and so it's even better value!


I haven't got mine yet - looking forward to it if it is as you say. But I
agree about the old one. It's really "bitty", and the adverts were all over
the place and very intrusive. I can leave out the garden tours totally.

--
Tim C.

Pam Moore 07-03-2005 03:55 PM

On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:08:05 GMT, Janet Baraclough
wrote:

The message
from "JennyC" contains these words:


"andrewpreece" wrote in message
...


I much rather have Chris back than that strange red-bad-haired woman!


Oh !!
I liked her :~)


Me too. I much prefer a skilled plant enthusiast like Carol Klein to all
those self-conscious, preening meeja personalities.


I like Carol Klein and admire her knowledge and welcome her on the
team. BTW last weekI met Diana Guy, winner of BBC Gardener of the
Year. She was full of praise for Monty. Said she hadn't washed her
cheek since he kissed her!!! She has a lovely garden. Look in Yellow
Book, Dorset. Lots of hellebores at present.

Pam in Bristol

Sacha 07-03-2005 03:56 PM

On 7/3/05 13:56, in article , "Stan The Man"
wrote:

snip

I think she has a very gentle, sexy voice - and sexy smiley eyes. Of
secondary concern, she is a top plantswoman. She can also be very, very
funny. Nothing against Sarah Raven (queen of grunge), who I like for
different reasons but Carol Klein's recruitment to GW is long overdue.

Joe Swift is welcome too. His cheeky chappy cheeriness makes up for the
humour void built up by Monty, Rachel and Chris Beardshaw. I expect the
producers wanted to inject a greater variety of pace and style and I
think the new team will serve them well. I do detest Monty though and
his horticultural shortcomings must be embarrassing for the producers
at times. Give me AT any day. Another I would like to see in there is
James Alexander Sinclair (the hat man) but he probably sounds too 'BBC'
for them. Very entertaining and knowledgeable presenter though.

Stan


Carol Klein certainly does know her stuff but the hat man and Joe Swift
grate on my nerves like fingernails on a blackboard. The hat irritates me
as 'gimmicky' and I can't get past that. I like Monty Don's style of
presentation and don't dislike Chris Beardshaw but do find him a bit bland,
somehow. His personality doesn't seem to come across on telly but there's
nothing irritating or annoying about him.
Carol's garden and nursery are small but worth a visit if in that area.
It's v. hard to find, though and I believe someone else from here visited
more recently than we did, so will have better directions, probably.
--

Sacha
(remove the weeds for email)


Kay 07-03-2005 05:57 PM

In article , Victoria
Clare writes
"JennyC" wrote in :


"andrewpreece" wrote in message
...

I much rather have Chris back than that strange red-bad-haired woman!

Andy


Oh !!
I liked her :~)


She's growing on me - seems to know her stuff, but what a painful voice
that is to listen to. It's like she's gargled gravel.

I didn't even notice!

What accent has she got? Is it something I'm used to?
--
Kay
"Do not insult the crocodile until you have crossed the river"


Magwitch 08-03-2005 02:07 AM

Sacha muttered:

On 6/3/05 21:42, in article , "Mike Lyle"
wrote:

Kay wrote:
In article , JennyC


writes
Did you notice Racheal whatsits nails ? How can she call herself a
gardener with fangs like that ?

What really irritated me was the sequence of closeups of alpines

each
focused on R de T's face just behind the pot.


Infuriating. But telly people think we're really interested only in
people. I hope Monty went back and covered up that raspberry root he
left exposed.

Mike.


I can tell you from personal experience that you cannot 'tell' telly people
anything. A couple of years ago a series was shot for one of the sky type
channels and we were in it. The man heading it knew his stuff, his plants,
garden design etc. and was good. I made one plea - "show the names of the
plants when they appear on screen". He told us that he had absolutely no
control over that but it was up to the producers/editors in the studio. I
rest my baggage!


I recently took part in a pilot for a potential TV series. It was all very
standard stuff (the grasses * yawn, the bamboo screen * yawn again) that
took place in the designer/presenter to- be's garden, that is until I
noticed their pond, completely clogged with parrot feather and nearly
tripped up on the slimey decking...

I prefer my own garden.


steve 08-03-2005 06:38 PM

I would make do with Monty and Sarah Raven. mmmm Sarah Raven. practical,
attractive, down to earth and knowledgeable. lovely.


"jay jay" wrote in message
...

McCready Wrote:
What happened to Chris Beardshaw?

Monty hasn't mentioned why he's disappeared.



And Sarah Raven wasn't there either... well, at least the dreaded A T
hasn't arrived (yet)

jay jay


--
jay jay




goldfinch 10-03-2005 07:17 AM

Carol's garden and nursery are small but worth a visit if in that area.
It's v. hard to find, though and I believe someone else from here visited
more recently than we did, so will have better directions, probably.
--

Sacha
(remove the weeds for email)

-------------
We used a recently aquired GPS to find Carol Klein's garden, and still had
to ask somebody for directions ;-)
You have been warned!

Well worth a visit though.

Marina
E. Sx



Sacha 10-03-2005 12:03 PM

On 10/3/05 9:35, in article ,
" wrote:

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 23:17:50 -0800, "goldfinch"
wrote:

Carol's garden and nursery are small but worth a visit if in that area.
It's v. hard to find, though and I believe someone else from here visited
more recently than we did, so will have better directions, probably.
--

Sacha
(remove the weeds for email)

-------------
We used a recently aquired GPS to find Carol Klein's garden, and still had
to ask somebody for directions ;-)


Don't you to know where it is fairly accurately to be able to locate
it with a GPS?


With the GPS we have (Tom Tom) you can type in a full address (which for
Carol is Glebe Cottage Plants, Pixie Lane, Warkleigh, Umberleigh, Devon,
EX37 9DH 01769 540554) or just a post code, or just a town name. In the case
of CK's nursery, there are no signs to it at all and as it's only an acre
overall with the garden, it's not some large mass that you see from afar.
AND it's along a track across a field somewhere in a small hamlet, AFAIR, so
some research on location is a good idea!
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)


Sacha 10-03-2005 05:48 PM

On 10/3/05 17:01, in article ,
" wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:03:12 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

snip
With the GPS we have (Tom Tom) you can type in a full address (which for
Carol is Glebe Cottage Plants, Pixie Lane, Warkleigh, Umberleigh, Devon,
EX37 9DH 01769 540554) or just a post code, or just a town name. In the case
of CK's nursery, there are no signs to it at all and as it's only an acre
overall with the garden, it's not some large mass that you see from afar.
AND it's along a track across a field somewhere in a small hamlet, AFAIR, so
some research on location is a good idea!


On my GPS, a Garmin 12XL, I have to give the longitude and latitude.
If I get it right, it will guide to me within +/-5 metres of the
location.


That's on a boat, right? ;-) I know we get a lot of rain in England
but.....
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)


Sacha 10-03-2005 06:38 PM

On 10/3/05 17:50, in article ,
" wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 17:48:29 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

On 10/3/05 17:01, in article
,
" wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:03:12 +0000, Sacha
wrote:

snip
With the GPS we have (Tom Tom) you can type in a full address (which for
Carol is Glebe Cottage Plants, Pixie Lane, Warkleigh, Umberleigh, Devon,
EX37 9DH 01769 540554) or just a post code, or just a town name. In the
case
of CK's nursery, there are no signs to it at all and as it's only an acre
overall with the garden, it's not some large mass that you see from afar.
AND it's along a track across a field somewhere in a small hamlet, AFAIR,
so
some research on location is a good idea!

On my GPS, a Garmin 12XL, I have to give the longitude and latitude.


or an OS coordinate.


But you didn't say that, originally. ;-)

If I get it right, it will guide to me within +/-5 metres of the
location.


That's on a boat, right? ;-)


It's not particular where it is. At the moment it is at home in a
cupboard.


No travel plans, then? Nonetheless, the one we have, which is designed for
a car, operates as I described earlier.

I know we get a lot of rain in England
but.....


... never rains but it pours?


No, no. We can get the odd mild drizzle. Round here that can last for 6
months - or feel as if it does. Right now, it's so dry that I'm reminded of
some Jersey February droughts, in March!
--

Sacha
(remove the weeds for email)


Jeff 10-03-2005 11:53 PM

Victoria Clare wrote:


She's growing on me - seems to know her stuff, but what a painful voice
that is to listen to. It's like she's gargled gravel.

Victoria


Not as bad as Gay Search - remember her?
God, her voice was painful!

Just watching Stefan Buczacki at the moment on UK Style Gardens (Stefans
Ultimate Gardens).
Pity we don't see more of him - he really knows his stuff.
I think he had a bust-up with the BBC over Gardner's Question Time a few
years back so they ditched him :-(

Jeff

Des Higgins 11-03-2005 10:53 AM


"VivienB" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:53:47 GMT, Jeff wrote:

Victoria Clare wrote:


She's growing on me - seems to know her stuff, but what a painful voice
that is to listen to. It's like she's gargled gravel.

Victoria


Not as bad as Gay Search - remember her?
God, her voice was painful!


What a picky lot you are! I am listening to *what* they are telling
me, so I can try to judge whether it is likely to be useful. So long
as they speak clearly, what does the timbre (or whatever it is you
object to) matter? I would much prefer either of these women telling
me something that I can use, to the decorative and pretty-voiced ones
going on about something valueless.

Regards, VivienB


I think it is like a "who was your favourite Doctor Who?" type argument.
We all have fond memories of particular eras and individuals and forget the
bad bits.
Geoff Hamilton was in place just as gardening went into super show business
mode in the mid 1990s and many people remember him as a cross between mother
Theresa and Indiana Jones. I certainly have fond memories of Gardeners
World from dem days but that is a mixture of Geoff's personality (warm,
comforting, knowledgeable) and the fact that I was not super-saturated with
TV garden makeoverology at the time. Everyone since Geoff will look cheap
and nasty, no matter who they are. I certainly do find many garden TV
people irritating but that is partly because the entire genre has become
irritating. Somewhere out there a producer is dreamimg up a
reality-TV-garden-makeover-save-the-children-pop-idol-aid program which will
be hosted by Ant and Dec.

Apart from all that, speaking purely subjectively and persoanally, Gay
search was one of the better presenters and I actually like Monty Don a lot
and Titchmarch is very very good but got over-exposed (as he probably
realises himself). Diarmuid Gavin is a bit of fun; I take great delight in
finding people who dislike him because he does not tell you how many ponds
per square foot of hoof and horn to use as a top dressing in late Spring for
boosting leeks. Rachel de Thame has a clear accent and is very eye-catching
but somehow Diarmuid standing in a huge muddy hole in the ground with three
hairy builders from sligo balancing a 19 tonne brass sphere is more
entertaining to me.

Des Higgins






Janet Tweedy 11-03-2005 11:08 AM

In article , VivienB
writes

What a picky lot you are! I am listening to *what* they are telling
me, so I can try to judge whether it is likely to be useful. So long
as they speak clearly, what does the timbre (or whatever it is you
object to) matter? I would much prefer either of these women telling
me something that I can use, to the decorative and pretty-voiced ones
going on about something valueless.

Regards, VivienB



But isn't that the essence of a good communicator? I bet there's loads
of really great gardeners out there but if they deliver the information
n a voice that has about as much enthusiasm and emotion as if they were
reading the telephone directory then the joy of their subject won't be
imparted. However Geoff and Alan and Dan Pearson and others all seem to
actually LOVE gardening whereas Diarmuid of the motorway constructions
and Chris of the 'I can jump over this fence easily' never seem to have
the 'enthusiasm' for the individual plants, just the 'overall effect'

I guess there's two sides to gardening in the media's eyes. The effect
party who just want to have a five foot of blue/wavy to fill a space
like buying three foot of library books and then there's the others who
do look at an effect but actually seem to see the plants and especially
(joy of joys) the actual varieties. I mean to say, they suggest 'a
clematis' to fill a space but then there's ;literally hundreds to choose
from!
Helen Dillon and the RTE programme about 8 years ago was brilliant, they
suggested varieties, some common, some unusual and even had me viewing
with a pen and paper. They didn't generalise for 'effect' but actually
looked at each plant and its performance.

janet
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Janet
Hedgerows & lawns
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk/plants

Des Higgins 11-03-2005 11:22 AM


"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message
...
In article , VivienB
writes

What a picky lot you are! I am listening to *what* they are telling
me, so I can try to judge whether it is likely to be useful. So long
as they speak clearly, what does the timbre (or whatever it is you
object to) matter? I would much prefer either of these women telling
me something that I can use, to the decorative and pretty-voiced ones
going on about something valueless.

Regards, VivienB



But isn't that the essence of a good communicator? I bet there's loads of
really great gardeners out there but if they deliver the information n a
voice that has about as much enthusiasm and emotion as if they were
reading the telephone directory then the joy of their subject won't be
imparted. However Geoff and Alan and Dan Pearson and others all seem to
actually LOVE gardening whereas Diarmuid of the motorway constructions and
Chris of the 'I can jump over this fence easily' never seem to have the
'enthusiasm' for the individual plants, just the 'overall effect'

I guess there's two sides to gardening in the media's eyes. The effect
party who just want to have a five foot of blue/wavy to fill a space like
buying three foot of library books and then there's the others who do look
at an effect but actually seem to see the plants and especially (joy of
joys) the actual varieties. I mean to say, they suggest 'a clematis' to
fill a space but then there's ;literally hundreds to choose from!
Helen Dillon and the RTE programme about 8 years ago was brilliant, they
suggested varieties, some common, some unusual and even had me viewing
with a pen and paper. They didn't generalise for 'effect' but actually
looked at each plant and its performance.


I am forced to agree with this. Helen Dillon is THE best garden programme
presenter I have ever seen. She is unique.
I did not realise you lot over on the "mainland" got to see that programme.
She is quite a character, apparently, and has a keen sense of humour. I
recall in one programme she pointed out how to remember where to plant a
particular rose variety which had a ladies name. The name escapes me but
let's pretend it was Victoria. She said with a straight face that Victoria
was bad in a bed but good against a wall. She used to write the gardening
column for one of the Irish Sunday newspapers (Sunday Tribune) and these
were collected and published in book form. Some of it is very funny. It is
all passionate and informative.


janet
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Janet
Hedgerows & lawns
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk/plants




Stan The Man 11-03-2005 03:08 PM

In article , VivienB
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:53:47 GMT, Jeff wrote:

Victoria Clare wrote:


She's growing on me - seems to know her stuff, but what a painful voice
that is to listen to. It's like she's gargled gravel.

Victoria


Not as bad as Gay Search - remember her?
God, her voice was painful!


What a picky lot you are! I am listening to *what* they are telling
me, so I can try to judge whether it is likely to be useful. So long
as they speak clearly, what does the timbre (or whatever it is you
object to) matter? I would much prefer either of these women telling
me something that I can use, to the decorative and pretty-voiced ones
going on about something valueless.


It matters to the BBC, and every other programme maker because
gardening programmes aren't Open University courses but
lifestyle/entertainment shows which, while educating some of us will
entertain others who may be less committed gardeners, casual viewers,
etc. So these days, someone who looks and sounds good will get the
presenting job over someone who may be more knowledgeable. Of the two
attributes, voice is more important than looks (I have been known to
sit in a darkened room to enjoy old recordings of Percy Thrower, whose
mellifluous tones will never be surpassed imho).

Here's my ratings - for Looks/Voice/Knowledge - of a selection of
gardening presenters:

Percy Thrower: 2/10/9
Alan Titchmarsh 8/8/8
Geoff Hamilton 8/7/9
Monty Don 7/9/5
Clay Jones 5/9/9
Peter Seabrook 4/5/9
Carol Klein 4/4/9
Chris Beardshaw 9/5/7
Rachel de Thame 9/7/5
Joe Swift 5/6/7
Stefan Buczacki 4/7/8
Kim Wilde 7/6/5
Dan Pearson 4/6/8
Diarmuid Gavin 6/1/4
Sven Wombwell 7/6/6
James Alexander Sinclair 7/8/9
Charlie Dimmock 3/4/5


Now, who have I forgotten...?

Mike 11-03-2005 04:50 PM


Charlie Dimmock 3/4/5


You rate her Organ Stops as THREE!!!!!!!!!?????????????

:-(((((((((



Sacha 11-03-2005 04:52 PM

On 11/3/05 15:08, in article , "Stan The
Man" wrote:

snip

Here's my ratings - for Looks/Voice/Knowledge - of a selection of
gardening presenters:

Percy Thrower: 2/10/9
Alan Titchmarsh 8/8/8
Geoff Hamilton 8/7/9
Monty Don 7/9/5
Clay Jones 5/9/9
Peter Seabrook 4/5/9
Carol Klein 4/4/9
Chris Beardshaw 9/5/7
Rachel de Thame 9/7/5
Joe Swift 5/6/7
Stefan Buczacki 4/7/8
Kim Wilde 7/6/5
Dan Pearson 4/6/8
Diarmuid Gavin 6/1/4
Sven Wombwell 7/6/6
James Alexander Sinclair 7/8/9
Charlie Dimmock 3/4/5


Now, who have I forgotten...?


Gay Search. ;-)
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www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove the weeds to email me)



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