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"Alan Gould" wrote uk... Bob Hobden writes Not tried "organic" chemicals for pest control so can't comment. Chemicals such as insecticides, herbicides and fungicides are not used in organic systems. In a totally separate wildlife garden then OK. Our site is a 9.6 acre wildlife garden except for 4 plots 2 of which are ours so we don't have to think about giving wildlife somewhere, it's more about fighting to keep wildlife off our plots/veg. Each gardener to their own way of gardening. We work with nature and we find it very rewarding. We would find it very stressful to fight nature. Interesting comment when you just said you use "organic" chemicals to control insect damage. No doubt you also use other methods like fleece, cloches, netting etc all of which is fighting nature. Digging, weeding, watering, pruning......is all fighting nature. If we don't fight nature we would have no leeks (Leek Moth), no brassicas (Flea Beatle) and no peas or beans (Pea & Bean Weevil). Doesn't leave much. :-) Mind you with the withdrawal of synthetic chemicals from the private gardener we might all have to resort to "organic" chemicals of unknown compounds and strength or give up growing our own food and buy Organic (TM). Never! -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
Bob Hobden wrote:
"Alan Gould" wrote uk... [...] We would find it very stressful to fight nature. Interesting comment when you just said you use "organic" chemicals to control insect damage. No doubt you also use other methods like fleece, cloches, netting etc all of which is fighting nature. Digging, weeding, watering, pruning......is all fighting nature. If we don't fight nature we would have no leeks (Leek Moth), no brassicas (Flea Beatle) and no peas or beans (Pea & Bean Weevil). Doesn't leave much. :-) Mind you with the withdrawal of synthetic chemicals from the private gardener we might all have to resort to "organic" chemicals of unknown compounds and strength or give up growing our own food and buy Organic (TM). Never! Oh dear! Here we go again! Why not just ask straight out "How dare organic gardeners wear clothes?" Let's not pretend that those on either side of the argument are stupid. No doubt some on both sides are, but that's irrelevant. And some of them, such as you, simply like a good old cheerful punch-up. I suggest a new subject-line prefix, analogous to "OT": "PUP" standing for "Punch-Up, Please". -- Mike. |
In article , Bob Hobden
writes Interesting comment when you just said you use "organic" chemicals to control insect damage. AFAIK I have never referred to 'organic chemicals' in the recognised horticultural sense of the expression because no such thing exists. -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. |
In article , Mike Lyle mike_lyle_uk@REMO
VETHISyahoo.co.uk writes Oh dear! Here we go again! Why not just ask straight out "How dare organic gardeners wear clothes?" Let's not pretend that those on either side of the argument are stupid. No doubt some on both sides are, but that's irrelevant. And some of them, such as you, simply like a good old cheerful punch-up. I suggest a new subject-line prefix, analogous to "OT": "PUP" standing for "Punch-Up, Please". There's no need for any punch up. The subject of organic gardening is fully detailed in the urg FAQ on the subject at: http://www.nugget.demon.co.uk/MetaFA...gardening.html -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. |
Alan Gould wrote:
In article , Mike Lyle mike_lyle_uk@REMO VETHISyahoo.co.uk writes Oh dear! Here we go again! Why not just ask straight out "How dare organic gardeners wear clothes?" Let's not pretend that those on either side of the argument are stupid. No doubt some on both sides are, but that's irrelevant. And some of them, such as you, simply like a good old cheerful punch-up. I suggest a new subject-line prefix, analogous to "OT": "PUP" standing for "Punch-Up, Please". There's no need for any punch up. The subject of organic gardening is fully detailed in the urg FAQ on the subject at: http://www.nugget.demon.co.uk/MetaFA...gardening.html My point entirely; but if Bob wants to play, I'll play. The difference will be that, though arguing in quite the same ludic spirit, I'll actually mean it. I won't, for example, say that if he doesn't like eating organic things he'd better restrict his diet to minerals, which was about the level of his sighting shots. I've practiced on dear Franz, after all (I do hope he's OK). -- Mike. |
In article , Mike Lyle mike_lyle_uk@REMO
VETHISyahoo.co.uk writes There's no need for any punch up. The subject of organic gardening is fully detailed in the urg FAQ on the subject at: http://www.nugget.demon.co.uk/MetaFA...gardening.html My point entirely; but if Bob wants to play, I'll play. The difference will be that, though arguing in quite the same ludic spirit, I'll actually mean it. I won't, for example, say that if he doesn't like eating organic things he'd better restrict his diet to minerals, which was about the level of his sighting shots. I've even been told that I shouldn't take Dr.prescribed medications! I've practiced on dear Franz, after all (I do hope he's OK). Yes, where is dear old Franz lately? He really was not able to grasp the concept of organic gardening because he was trying to relate it to his own very different ways. I will willingly discuss and explain organic methods for anyone who wants to know about it. They don't need to either like the system or agree with it, but if they want to knock it, they would be able to do that much better if they know something about it. Unfortunately it too often goes back to deliberate mis-definitions of the words 'organic' and 'chemical' in the context of gardening, as Bob has just sadly shown. -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. |
Alan Gould wrote:
In article , Mike Lyle mike_lyle_uk@REMO VETHISyahoo.co.uk writes [...] I've practiced on dear Franz, after all (I do hope he's OK). Yes, where is dear old Franz lately? [...] He's been missing from sci.physics for some weeks, too. I took the liberty of dropping an email three weeks ago, but have had no reply. -- Mike. |
"Alan Gould" wrote t I will willingly discuss and explain organic methods for anyone who wants to know about it. They don't need to either like the system or agree with it, but if they want to knock it, they would be able to do that much better if they know something about it. Unfortunately it too often goes back to deliberate mis-definitions of the words 'organic' and 'chemical' in the context of gardening, as Bob has just sadly shown. How can one discuss sensibly with organic growers of veg who constantly talk about working with nature when they fight nature just as much as any other gardener, they dig, they cover the ground to smother it, they fertilise, they weed, they stake, they water, they remove butterfly eggs and caterpillars, they spray with plant extracts (chemicals) of unknown strength, and worse, they make up the brew themselves so have little idea of the chemical compounds involved and their effect on wildlife( sorry they aren't chemicals are they, they must be magic then. Get real, some of our best chemicals came from plants originally and some kill). Work with nature indeed! They just fight to control it another way. -- Regards Bob (who gardens with as little synthetic or otherwise chemicals as he can get away with) In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
"Mike Lyle" wrote . My point entirely; but if Bob wants to play, I'll play. The difference will be that, though arguing in quite the same ludic spirit, I'll actually mean it. I won't, for example, say that if he doesn't like eating organic things he'd better restrict his diet to minerals, which was about the level of his sighting shots. I've practiced on dear Franz, after all (I do hope he's OK). Can't read or do you need glasses Mike? Perhaps Franz was fed up with silly comments such as yours above, unrelated to the thread as written, just so you can have a go. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
Bob Hobden wrote:
"Mike Lyle" wrote . My point entirely; but if Bob wants to play, I'll play. The difference will be that, though arguing in quite the same ludic spirit, I'll actually mean it. I won't, for example, say that if he doesn't like eating organic things he'd better restrict his diet to minerals, which was about the level of his sighting shots. I've practiced on dear Franz, after all (I do hope he's OK). Can't read or do you need glasses Mike? Perhaps Franz was fed up with silly comments such as yours above, unrelated to the thread as written, just so you can have a go. I'm afraid it may be more serious than that, Bob. He hasn't appeared in sci.physics since 18 March. -- Mike. |
In article , Bob Hobden
writes Work with nature indeed! They just fight to control it another way. Wrong Bob, all wrong. -- Alan & Joan Gould - North Lincs. |
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from "Mike Lyle" contains these words: Alan Gould wrote: In article , Mike Lyle mike_lyle_uk@REMO VETHISyahoo.co.uk writes [...] I've practiced on dear Franz, after all (I do hope he's OK). Yes, where is dear old Franz lately? [...] He's been missing from sci.physics for some weeks, too. I took the liberty of dropping an email three weeks ago, but have had no reply. Funny, I was wondering that, too. I do hope he's OK. -- Rusty Open the creaking gate to make a horrid.squeak, then lower the foobar. http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/ |
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"Alan Gould" wrote ... Work with nature indeed! They just fight to control it another way. Wrong Bob, all wrong. If you really believe that then good luck to you. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
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