my baby trees, willow and catalpa,& burr Oak non germ.

[Jacqueline Davidson]

I have several Catalpa tree babies that are healthy and thriving. Not my
favorite tree, wouldn't you know. I plan to put them in gallon size
planting cans (gardening cans) when they are a bit taller.

The Willows are doing very well too, each is about 2 feet tall now. I have
moved them to larger pots and will keep them there until they are larger.
Altogether I have about 6 now.

My Chinaberry seeds have not yet germinated, nor have the Burr Oak and Live
Oak. So I don't know what to do with them. Any hints? I had placed them
in good potting soil and I am keeping them moist. The Chinaberrys are
outside on the patio in pots, the Oaks are in the sun room near the window.
Any ideas?

We love trees and want to have many in our bare acre in the back.

Jackie, zone 7, Mississippi

[symplastless]

--
Many tree problems are associated with the following: They are Case
Sensitive.

Unhealthy Trees from the Nursery / Improper Planting
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/T/tree_planting.html

Improper Mulching -
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/mulch.html

Improper Pruning
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning

Improper Fertilization (See A Touch of Chemistry)
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/CHEM.html

Tree Farming and Related Problems
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/

Troubles in the Rhizosphere
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html

Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.
"Jacqueline Davidson" > wrote in message
.. .
>I have several Catalpa tree babies that are healthy and thriving. Not my
>favorite tree, wouldn't you know. I plan to put them in gallon size
>planting cans (gardening cans) when they are a bit taller.
>
> The Willows are doing very well too, each is about 2 feet tall now. I
> have moved them to larger pots and will keep them there until they are
> larger. Altogether I have about 6 now.
>
> My Chinaberry seeds have not yet germinated, nor have the Burr Oak and
> Live Oak. So I don't know what to do with them. Any hints? I had placed
> them in good potting soil and I am keeping them moist. The Chinaberrys
> are outside on the patio in pots, the Oaks are in the sun room near the
> window. Any ideas?
>
> We love trees and want to have many in our bare acre in the back.
>
> Jackie, zone 7, Mississippi
>

[symplastless]

"Jangchub" > wrote in message
...
>
> Since I'm relatively certain you won't be pruning or doing any of the
> other things which you were directed to do, I beg of you first that
> you do not plant chinaberry. It is a noxious weed and is taking over
> many parts of the south, displacing the native trees.
>

Chinaberry tree is a close cousin of the neem tree. During the depression
people that could not afford screens in windows would plant a chinaberry
tree by the window. This kept the insects out. Also if you throw a couple
of leaves from a chinaberry tree in your dog pen the fleas will flea. The
fruits contain a pulp with a poisonous narcotic, and children, poultry, and
pigs are reported to have been poisoned by them The tree is by no means
new to the south just taking over. It has been around for a while.

Also a section on Chinaberry Tree, Melia azedarach. The tree produces
medicinal substances that are narcotic, and deadly to insects, especially
fleas and mosquitoes, Many trees produce medicinal substances that do
benefit humankind in many ways. The nature of potentially beneficial
properties of many of the inclusions in wood and bark are poorly understood.
The saddest part of the story is that some of the trees that are called
weeds may have some of the most valuable substances. They are the first to
be cut. The tree may also form tyloses in vessels. A good picture of
vessels of chinaberry can be found on page 53 of TREE ANATOMY by DR SHIGO.

A good book on seeds.

Seeds of Woody Plants in the United States Ag. Handbook No.450 By the US
Forest Service, it is very good source for information on seeds. If you
have a fax number I will fax the pages for the type of seeds you are
interested in. Just email me your fax number and seeds interested in to
and I will fax them ASAP.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.

[symplastless]

Name some of the unique features of chinaberry that make it helpful to
humans. If you know any. If not, why?

You are one of those people calling trees weeds and know, nothing, about the
unique features of the trees.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Tree Biologist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.
Some people will buy products they do not understand and not buy books that
will give them understanding.


"Jangchub" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 26 May 2008 08:43:28 -0400, "symplastless"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Jangchub" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>> Since I'm relatively certain you won't be pruning or doing any of the
>>> other things which you were directed to do, I beg of you first that
>>> you do not plant chinaberry. It is a noxious weed and is taking over
>>> many parts of the south, displacing the native trees.
>>>
>>
>>Chinaberry tree is a close cousin of the neem tree. During the depression
>>people that could not afford screens in windows would plant a chinaberry
>>tree by the window. This kept the insects out. Also if you throw a
>>couple
>>of leaves from a chinaberry tree in your dog pen the fleas will flea. The
>>fruits contain a pulp with a poisonous narcotic, and children, poultry,
>>and
>>pigs are reported to have been poisoned by them The tree is by no means
>>new to the south just taking over. It has been around for a while.
>>
>>Also a section on Chinaberry Tree, Melia azedarach. The tree produces
>>medicinal substances that are narcotic, and deadly to insects, especially
>>fleas and mosquitoes, Many trees produce medicinal substances that do
>>benefit humankind in many ways. The nature of potentially beneficial
>>properties of many of the inclusions in wood and bark are poorly
>>understood.
>>The saddest part of the story is that some of the trees that are called
>>weeds may have some of the most valuable substances. They are the first
>>to
>>be cut. The tree may also form tyloses in vessels. A good picture of
>>vessels of chinaberry can be found on page 53 of TREE ANATOMY by DR SHIGO.
>
> http://www.discoverlife.org/20/q?search=Melia+azedarach
>
> http://www.texasinvasives.org/Invasives_Database/Results/Detail.asp?Symbol=MEAZ
>
> http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=MEAZ
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=5b68DsGlvVIC&pg=PA182&lpg=PA182&dq=chinaberry+noxious+weed&source=web&ots=GYz5HEfl7I&sig=hWslxF4fbQVHIC6TsGPs5tDZez0&hl=en#PPA181,M1
>
> http://www.hawaiiinvasivespecies.org/iscs/biisc/pdfs/biiscbrochure2007.pdf
>
> Should I continue or are these reliable resources enough to satisfy
> your ignorance?