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Old 14-07-2003, 02:22 AM
Bruce
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Hello, one of my 13" koi has been looking pretty fat in the belly area.
For the last
24-36 hrs one of the other koi has been following nudging this one fat koi.
My question is, do the koi lay live fish or eggs? The reason is that
there are
a thousand 1/16" eggs stuck to my plants, pumps, some rocks and I was
wondering
what the deal was. I also have 4, 5-6" pond comets in this 700 gallon pond.
Can anyone hazard a guess?
Thanks for any info.
Oh, the fish seem to be hanging right near where the waterfall cascades on
the rocks, all side by side and facing the falls. Are they there because
I have low oxygen?
A 1/4 water change didn't seem to make a diff.
Bruce
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Old 14-07-2003, 02:44 AM
RichToyBox
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Bruce,

Koi and goldfish both are egg layers. It sounds as if there was a spawn,
but from your post, I doubt that it was the koi. Koi usually aren't old
enough to spawn at 13". The koi would have lost most of its size during the
spawn, not gotten bigger. The female koi will look really skinny following
the egg laying. The act of spawning by koi, (I don't know about goldfish)
is very violent. The male will be pushing and shoving the female against
the sides of the pond, plant baskets or anything else, and you will think he
is trying to push her out of the pond, no simple nudging. Usually for the
first two or three days they eat the eggs as fast as they can. Between the
milt from the male, which is nearly pure protein, and the additional load of
eating, the ammonia level will go very high and burn the gills if not
treated. The fish staying under the waterfall may be showing the signs of
ammonia burns. Check the ammonia and if it is high, add amquel to bind the
ammonia into the non-toxic ammonium. Since the filter changes the ammonia
to nitrites, the nitrites will also go very high, and cause suffocation, by
causing brown blood disease. Check the nitrites and if high, add salt to
get a 0.1% salt level. Don't feed until all of the eggs are gone or
hatched, such that you don't see them. I suspect the spawn was the comets.

Good luck.
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RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Bruce" wrote in message
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Hello, one of my 13" koi has been looking pretty fat in the belly area.
For the last
24-36 hrs one of the other koi has been following nudging this one fat

koi.
My question is, do the koi lay live fish or eggs? The reason is that
there are
a thousand 1/16" eggs stuck to my plants, pumps, some rocks and I was
wondering
what the deal was. I also have 4, 5-6" pond comets in this 700 gallon

pond.
Can anyone hazard a guess?
Thanks for any info.
Oh, the fish seem to be hanging right near where the waterfall cascades on
the rocks, all side by side and facing the falls. Are they there because
I have low oxygen?
A 1/4 water change didn't seem to make a diff.
Bruce
ps, remove SPAMNOT to reply off list.



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Old 14-07-2003, 02:52 AM
K30a
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Sticky eggs are fish eggs.
Koi and goldfish are not live bearers.

Is hanging out in the waterfall new behavior?
Has the temperature risen lately?
Do you have any water tests?
Spawning can cause water quality problems.
And it sounds like you might be over stocked.
We figure 1,000 gallons for the first koi and 100 gallons for every koi added.
Comets should have 20 gallons each.




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Old 14-07-2003, 04:04 AM
jammer
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How many 13" koi do you have alnog with those big comets in your 700
gallon pond?

I thought i had fish eggs and now i have baby snails everywhere. Glad
i didnt trade for them! haha



On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:16:19 GMT, Bruce
wrote:

Hello, one of my 13" koi has been looking pretty fat in the belly area.
For the last
24-36 hrs one of the other koi has been following nudging this one fat koi.
My question is, do the koi lay live fish or eggs? The reason is that
there are
a thousand 1/16" eggs stuck to my plants, pumps, some rocks and I was
wondering
what the deal was. I also have 4, 5-6" pond comets in this 700 gallon pond.
Can anyone hazard a guess?
Thanks for any info.
Oh, the fish seem to be hanging right near where the waterfall cascades on
the rocks, all side by side and facing the falls. Are they there because
I have low oxygen?
A 1/4 water change didn't seem to make a diff.
Bruce
ps, remove SPAMNOT to reply off list.


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Old 14-07-2003, 04:04 AM
jammer
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Koi are bigger than 13" when they spawn? Wow.
(it's true! you do learn something new every day!)


On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:37:05 GMT, "RichToyBox"
wrote:

Bruce,

Koi and goldfish both are egg layers. It sounds as if there was a spawn,
but from your post, I doubt that it was the koi. Koi usually aren't old
enough to spawn at 13". The koi would have lost most of its size during the
spawn, not gotten bigger. The female koi will look really skinny following
the egg laying. The act of spawning by koi, (I don't know about goldfish)
is very violent. The male will be pushing and shoving the female against
the sides of the pond, plant baskets or anything else, and you will think he
is trying to push her out of the pond, no simple nudging. Usually for the
first two or three days they eat the eggs as fast as they can. Between the
milt from the male, which is nearly pure protein, and the additional load of
eating, the ammonia level will go very high and burn the gills if not
treated. The fish staying under the waterfall may be showing the signs of
ammonia burns. Check the ammonia and if it is high, add amquel to bind the
ammonia into the non-toxic ammonium. Since the filter changes the ammonia
to nitrites, the nitrites will also go very high, and cause suffocation, by
causing brown blood disease. Check the nitrites and if high, add salt to
get a 0.1% salt level. Don't feed until all of the eggs are gone or
hatched, such that you don't see them. I suspect the spawn was the comets.

Good luck.


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Old 14-07-2003, 03:32 PM
John Rutz
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rich normaly yes a koi will be biger than 12-14 in when old enough to
spawn, but i have a couple in my pond I know are at least 3-4 yrs old
that spawned this summer and are only 7-8 in The pond I got em from
and my pond were overcrowded with goldfish and stunted them
it does happen once in a while


RichToyBox wrote:
Bruce,

Koi and goldfish both are egg layers. It sounds as if there was a spawn,
but from your post, I doubt that it was the koi. Koi usually aren't old
enough to spawn at 13". The koi would have lost most of its size during the
spawn, not gotten bigger. The female koi will look really skinny following
the egg laying. The act of spawning by koi, (I don't know about goldfish)
is very violent. The male will be pushing and shoving the female against
the sides of the pond, plant baskets or anything else, and you will think he
is trying to push her out of the pond, no simple nudging. Usually for the
first two or three days they eat the eggs as fast as they can. Between the
milt from the male, which is nearly pure protein, and the additional load of
eating, the ammonia level will go very high and burn the gills if not
treated. The fish staying under the waterfall may be showing the signs of
ammonia burns. Check the ammonia and if it is high, add amquel to bind the
ammonia into the non-toxic ammonium. Since the filter changes the ammonia
to nitrites, the nitrites will also go very high, and cause suffocation, by
causing brown blood disease. Check the nitrites and if high, add salt to
get a 0.1% salt level. Don't feed until all of the eggs are gone or
hatched, such that you don't see them. I suspect the spawn was the comets.

Good luck.



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John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

never miss a good oportunity to shut up

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

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Old 14-07-2003, 11:24 PM
RichToyBox
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Agreed. The qualifier was usually aren't old enough. I have seem smaller
ones spawn, but it is rare.
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"John Rutz" wrote in message
...
rich normaly yes a koi will be biger than 12-14 in when old enough to
spawn, but i have a couple in my pond I know are at least 3-4 yrs old
that spawned this summer and are only 7-8 in The pond I got em from
and my pond were overcrowded with goldfish and stunted them
it does happen once in a while


RichToyBox wrote:
Bruce,

Koi and goldfish both are egg layers. It sounds as if there was a

spawn,
but from your post, I doubt that it was the koi. Koi usually aren't old
enough to spawn at 13". The koi would have lost most of its size during

the
spawn, not gotten bigger. The female koi will look really skinny

following
the egg laying. The act of spawning by koi, (I don't know about

goldfish)
is very violent. The male will be pushing and shoving the female

against
the sides of the pond, plant baskets or anything else, and you will

think he
is trying to push her out of the pond, no simple nudging. Usually for

the
first two or three days they eat the eggs as fast as they can. Between

the
milt from the male, which is nearly pure protein, and the additional

load of
eating, the ammonia level will go very high and burn the gills if not
treated. The fish staying under the waterfall may be showing the signs

of
ammonia burns. Check the ammonia and if it is high, add amquel to bind

the
ammonia into the non-toxic ammonium. Since the filter changes the

ammonia
to nitrites, the nitrites will also go very high, and cause suffocation,

by
causing brown blood disease. Check the nitrites and if high, add salt

to
get a 0.1% salt level. Don't feed until all of the eggs are gone or
hatched, such that you don't see them. I suspect the spawn was the

comets.

Good luck.



--





John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

never miss a good oportunity to shut up

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com



 




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