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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

That's a completely new twist on an old recipe. Dunno if I like the
sound of boiling the snails.

The more usual way to make this spray for any insect pest is to
collect the bug that is to be destroyed, to put it in her blender, add
cold water then blend it and then to leave the resulant stew to
ferment for a few days before straining and then using the strained
juice on the plant which had the problem bug.

Does this actually work?
I'd like to try it with cabbage worms......
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Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

Does this actually work?
I'd like to try it with cabbage worms......

It's hit or miss; if some of your cabbage worms are already infected with
BT, you'll spread it around to the others, which is good. The commercial
BT wettable powder works well for me. Of course, some of the GM products
out are actively breeding BT resistant bugs, so farmers will have to use
the [unnamed chemical company, without whom profits themselves would be
impossible] products.

But that's just my opinion.

I may be wrong.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

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Gary Woods wrote:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

Does this actually work?
I'd like to try it with cabbage worms......

It's hit or miss; if some of your cabbage worms are already infected with
BT, you'll spread it around to the others, which is good. The commercial
BT wettable powder works well for me. Of course, some of the GM products
out are actively breeding BT resistant bugs, so farmers will have to use
the [unnamed chemical company, without whom profits themselves would be
impossible] products.

But that's just my opinion.

I may be wrong.

Anyone that trusts Monsanto is a fool....

If the only reason to do this is to harvest BT, it'd be less trouble
just to buy it. ;-) I understand it's not expensive.

I've honestly never tried it but I think it's about time I did.
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Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

That's a completely new twist on an old recipe. Dunno if I like
the
sound of boiling the snails.

The more usual way to make this spray for any insect pest is to
collect the bug that is to be destroyed, to put it in her blender,
add
cold water then blend it and then to leave the resulant stew to
ferment for a few days before straining and then using the
strained
juice on the plant which had the problem bug.

Does this actually work?

:-))) I only have one blender so there is NO way I'm going to try it
till I can find another blender cheap in a second hand shop.

It's touted to work by the organic mob (or is it the biodynamic??? or
perhaps I've read of it in Jackie French's books???). It does make
some sense to me though. The smell of a fellow humans rotting remains
would be enough to turn me off going near a place so I suspect that it
may just work with bugs.

I'd like to try it with cabbage worms......

Let me know how it works please ;-)))

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message

I'd like to try it with cabbage worms......

Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up some
fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old milk
cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of real
cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on bamboo
stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly is
territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is
already taken by another cabbage butterfly.

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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message

I'd like to try it with cabbage worms......

Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up some
fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old milk
cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of real
cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on bamboo
stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly is
territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is
already taken by another cabbage butterfly.

That sounds interesting...
I've never seen the actual butterflies.
These are the little *******s that killed my horseradish and did a
number on my chard and brocolli:

http://tinypic.com/2zjgpaa.jpg

The largest was maybe 1" long at most.
I killed dozens of them but I had to get them at dawn and dusk.
They were so destructive so fast! I lost the horseradish but managed to
save the other stuff. I just killed everything by hand.

The chickens I had at the time feasted happily. G
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Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the
white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. (snip)

That sounds interesting...
I've never seen the actual butterflies.
These are the little *******s that killed my horseradish and did a
number on my chard and brocolli:

http://tinypic.com/2zjgpaa.jpg

Pretty sure that is them but it's been a year or more since I've seen
any. Last year I tried the opaque plastic fake butterfly trick and
didn't ahve any probs with my broccoli.

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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the
white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. (snip)

That sounds interesting...
I've never seen the actual butterflies.
These are the little *******s that killed my horseradish and did a
number on my chard and brocolli:

http://tinypic.com/2zjgpaa.jpg

Pretty sure that is them but it's been a year or more since I've seen
any. Last year I tried the opaque plastic fake butterfly trick and
didn't ahve any probs with my broccoli.

Hm. I'll have to try that this fall......

Thanks!
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Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message

I'd like to try it with cabbage worms......

Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up some
fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old milk
cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of real
cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on bamboo
stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly is
territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is
already taken by another cabbage butterfly.


what an elegant solution, I'll use that idea. Thanks

peter wrote:
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message


I'd like to try it with cabbage worms......

Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up some
fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old milk
cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of real
cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on bamboo
stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly is
territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is
already taken by another cabbage butterfly.



what an elegant solution, I'll use that idea. Thanks


It may not work. Ive seen them come through in flocks and it doesnt seem
to deter them...

"peter" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message

I'd like to try it with cabbage worms......

Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the
white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up
some
fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old
milk
cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of
real
cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on
bamboo
stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly
is
territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage
is
already taken by another cabbage butterfly.


what an elegant solution, I'll use that idea. Thanks

One more trick. I put the little fake butterflys on the tiny bamboo
sate sticks then push these sticks into the tops of bigger bamboo
staking sticks.

"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
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"peter" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message

I'd like to try it with cabbage worms......

Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the
white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up
some
fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old
milk
cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of
real
cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on
bamboo
stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly
is
territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage
is
already taken by another cabbage butterfly.


what an elegant solution, I'll use that idea. Thanks

One more trick. I put the little fake butterflys on the tiny bamboo
sate sticks then push these sticks into the tops of bigger bamboo
staking sticks.




Just remember if you try this to watch your eyes. Is far better to use
something like the plastic bread bag sealer thingos and to cover any sharp
bits.

Richard

"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow writes:
Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up some
fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old milk
cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of real
cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on bamboo
stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly is
territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is
already taken by another cabbage butterfly.

Why bother making plastic b'flies? Just catch some real ones, add a dab of
wood glue and fix them to the end of sticks that you can move around your
plants as needed! That way you reduce the population of moths into the
bargain! But I admit the real ones are not as rain resistant as the plastic
replicas.

I think you are right about them being territorial. I recall many a time
seeing a white moth lazily bobbing around my father's cabbage patch until
it neared another when one would zoom into the path of the first until they
seemed to momentarily collide and then one would leap away to put some
distance between them. At the time I assumed I was witnessing an attempt at
romance, and subsequent rebuff, but now that you have pointed it out, this
behaviour could have been a moth protecting its patch.

For Australian readers: Noisy miner and Indian mynah birds just love
catching moths on the wing. Currawongs are good at it, too.
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

"John Savage" wrote in
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow writes:
Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the
white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up
some
fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old
milk
cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of real
cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on bamboo
stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly is
territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is
already taken by another cabbage butterfly.

Why bother making plastic b'flies? Just catch some real ones, add a
dab of
wood glue and fix them to the end of sticks that you can move around
your
plants as needed! That way you reduce the population of moths into
the
bargain! But I admit the real ones are not as rain resistant as the
plastic
replicas.

I'll bet you took the wings off flies as a youngster :-)))

It took about 3 minutes to cut up a milk carton and put a few spots of
texta on. It would have taken much more time for me to try to catch
the blighters.

For Australian readers: Noisy miner and Indian mynah birds just love
catching moths on the wing. Currawongs are good at it, too.

But do you have any ideas for getting rid of currawongs? The mongrel
*******s eat smaller birds and I need my wrens for aphid patrols.
BTW, the aphids have arrived and still not a sign of any ants anywhere
near the roses but the wrens are very active.

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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

But do you have any ideas for getting rid of currawongs? The mongrel
*******s eat smaller birds and I need my wrens for aphid patrols.
BTW, the aphids have arrived and still not a sign of any ants anywhere
near the roses but the wrens are very active.

A good way to increase your local wren population is to provide them
with nesting sites. A lot of my birdhouse gourd houses are occupied
every year, sometimes twice in a season. :-)

Easy to make too.

I have quite a few birdhouse gourd seeds on hand if you want some?
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson