"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message

I'd like to try it with cabbage worms......

Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up some
fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old milk
cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of real
cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on bamboo
stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly is
territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is
already taken by another cabbage butterfly.

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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message

I'd like to try it with cabbage worms......

Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up some
fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old milk
cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of real
cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on bamboo
stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly is
territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is
already taken by another cabbage butterfly.

That sounds interesting...
I've never seen the actual butterflies.
These are the little *******s that killed my horseradish and did a
number on my chard and brocolli:

http://tinypic.com/2zjgpaa.jpg

The largest was maybe 1" long at most.
I killed dozens of them but I had to get them at dawn and dusk.
They were so destructive so fast! I lost the horseradish but managed to
save the other stuff. I just killed everything by hand.

The chickens I had at the time feasted happily. G
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Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the
white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. (snip)

That sounds interesting...
I've never seen the actual butterflies.
These are the little *******s that killed my horseradish and did a
number on my chard and brocolli:

http://tinypic.com/2zjgpaa.jpg

Pretty sure that is them but it's been a year or more since I've seen
any. Last year I tried the opaque plastic fake butterfly trick and
didn't ahve any probs with my broccoli.

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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the
white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. (snip)

That sounds interesting...
I've never seen the actual butterflies.
These are the little *******s that killed my horseradish and did a
number on my chard and brocolli:

http://tinypic.com/2zjgpaa.jpg

Pretty sure that is them but it's been a year or more since I've seen
any. Last year I tried the opaque plastic fake butterfly trick and
didn't ahve any probs with my broccoli.

Hm. I'll have to try that this fall......

Thanks!
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Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message

I'd like to try it with cabbage worms......

Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up some
fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old milk
cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of real
cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on bamboo
stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly is
territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is
already taken by another cabbage butterfly.


what an elegant solution, I'll use that idea. Thanks

peter wrote:
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message


I'd like to try it with cabbage worms......

Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up some
fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old milk
cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of real
cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on bamboo
stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly is
territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is
already taken by another cabbage butterfly.



what an elegant solution, I'll use that idea. Thanks


It may not work. Ive seen them come through in flocks and it doesnt seem
to deter them...

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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message

I'd like to try it with cabbage worms......

Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the
white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up
some
fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old
milk
cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of
real
cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on
bamboo
stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly
is
territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage
is
already taken by another cabbage butterfly.


what an elegant solution, I'll use that idea. Thanks

One more trick. I put the little fake butterflys on the tiny bamboo
sate sticks then push these sticks into the tops of bigger bamboo
staking sticks.

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"peter" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message

I'd like to try it with cabbage worms......

Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the
white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up
some
fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old
milk
cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of
real
cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on
bamboo
stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly
is
territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage
is
already taken by another cabbage butterfly.


what an elegant solution, I'll use that idea. Thanks

One more trick. I put the little fake butterflys on the tiny bamboo
sate sticks then push these sticks into the tops of bigger bamboo
staking sticks.




Just remember if you try this to watch your eyes. Is far better to use
something like the plastic bread bag sealer thingos and to cover any sharp
bits.

Richard

"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow writes:
Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up some
fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old milk
cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of real
cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on bamboo
stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly is
territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is
already taken by another cabbage butterfly.

Why bother making plastic b'flies? Just catch some real ones, add a dab of
wood glue and fix them to the end of sticks that you can move around your
plants as needed! That way you reduce the population of moths into the
bargain! But I admit the real ones are not as rain resistant as the plastic
replicas.

I think you are right about them being territorial. I recall many a time
seeing a white moth lazily bobbing around my father's cabbage patch until
it neared another when one would zoom into the path of the first until they
seemed to momentarily collide and then one would leap away to put some
distance between them. At the time I assumed I was witnessing an attempt at
romance, and subsequent rebuff, but now that you have pointed it out, this
behaviour could have been a moth protecting its patch.

For Australian readers: Noisy miner and Indian mynah birds just love
catching moths on the wing. Currawongs are good at it, too.
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow writes:
Om were you thinking of the cabbage grubs that are laid by the
white
cabbage butterflies? If you were then this does work. Make up
some
fake cabbage butterflies (I use the white opaque plastic form old
milk
cartons) and mark then so that they have the black markings of real
cabbage butterflies with a felt tip pen and then put them on bamboo
stakes and put them around your cabbages. The cabbage butterfly is
territorial and will go elsewhere if it thinks that that cabbage is
already taken by another cabbage butterfly.

Why bother making plastic b'flies? Just catch some real ones, add a
dab of
wood glue and fix them to the end of sticks that you can move around
your
plants as needed! That way you reduce the population of moths into
the
bargain! But I admit the real ones are not as rain resistant as the
plastic
replicas.

I'll bet you took the wings off flies as a youngster :-)))

It took about 3 minutes to cut up a milk carton and put a few spots of
texta on. It would have taken much more time for me to try to catch
the blighters.

For Australian readers: Noisy miner and Indian mynah birds just love
catching moths on the wing. Currawongs are good at it, too.

But do you have any ideas for getting rid of currawongs? The mongrel
*******s eat smaller birds and I need my wrens for aphid patrols.
BTW, the aphids have arrived and still not a sign of any ants anywhere
near the roses but the wrens are very active.

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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

But do you have any ideas for getting rid of currawongs? The mongrel
*******s eat smaller birds and I need my wrens for aphid patrols.
BTW, the aphids have arrived and still not a sign of any ants anywhere
near the roses but the wrens are very active.

A good way to increase your local wren population is to provide them
with nesting sites. A lot of my birdhouse gourd houses are occupied
every year, sometimes twice in a season. :-)

Easy to make too.

I have quite a few birdhouse gourd seeds on hand if you want some?
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Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

But do you have any ideas for getting rid of currawongs? The
mongrel
*******s eat smaller birds and I need my wrens for aphid patrols.
BTW, the aphids have arrived and still not a sign of any ants
anywhere
near the roses but the wrens are very active.

A good way to increase your local wren population is to provide them
with nesting sites. A lot of my birdhouse gourd houses are occupied
every year, sometimes twice in a season. :-)

Easy to make too.

I have quite a few birdhouse gourd seeds on hand if you want some?

Thanks for the generous offer Om. Are you in Australia? If not then
I must sadly decline due to quarantine concerns. However, I'm sure
that the problem isn't breeding, we have lots odfine leaved shrubs and
bushes and each year we have babies. It's just that the sodding
Currawongs are such efficient and effective killers.

We went away for 3 days and when we came back we both noticed how much
the small bird population had dropped. We keep an eye on the
Currawongs when we are here and "discourage" them for being aroudn.

Farm1 wrote:

A good way to increase your local wren population is to provide them
with nesting sites. A lot of my birdhouse gourd houses are occupied
every year, sometimes twice in a season. :-)

Easy to make too.

I have quite a few birdhouse gourd seeds on hand if you want some?


Thanks for the generous offer Om. Are you in Australia? If not then
I must sadly decline due to quarantine concerns.

Look at some of the gourds offered by Eden Seeds.
http://www.edenseeds.com.au
alphabetical, then G for gourds. (search for gourds didn't work)

you might need to hand pollinate as well (like pumpkins). We grew one
of their Large gourds (bottle) last years, but it wasn't pollinated and
remained small and eventually rotted away.had

However, I'm sure
that the problem isn't breeding, we have lots odfine leaved shrubs and
bushes and each year we have babies. It's just that the sodding
Currawongs are such efficient and effective killers.

Hmm, if you have stuff like cotoneaster, pycantha, etc locally, do all
you can to get rid of them. It is believed these are part of the reason,
currowangs overwinter on these and thus survive in greater numbers for
spring.

You also might like to observer if the small leaved stuff is actually
protecting the small birds or if the currawongs "enter" the shrtubs in
pursuit. chicken wire cage it or spiny pshrubs (bursaria)

"Terryc" wrote in message
Farm1 wrote:

Thanks for the generous offer Om. Are you in Australia? If not
then
I must sadly decline due to quarantine concerns.

Look at some of the gourds offered by Eden Seeds.
http://www.edenseeds.com.au
alphabetical, then G for gourds. (search for gourds didn't work)

Thanks for that. Found'em.

you might need to hand pollinate as well (like pumpkins).

Will keep that in mind.

However, I'm sure
that the problem isn't breeding, we have lots odfine leaved shrubs
and
bushes and each year we have babies. It's just that the sodding
Currawongs are such efficient and effective killers.

Hmm, if you have stuff like cotoneaster, pycantha, etc locally, do
all
you can to get rid of them. It is believed these are part of the
reason,
currowangs overwinter on these and thus survive in greater numbers
for
spring.

The sodding things live in the huge pinewind breaks around the
machinery shed and shearing shed and the perimeters of the paddocks
out from our house. They have lots of road kill to keep them going
all year round. We must have at least 100 round here - probably more.
At least they aren't the only birds we have. We saw a stunning little
kingfisher today. It wasn't an Azure kingfisher and I haven't been
able to find it in the 2 bird books I've looked at so far but it was
gorgeous - rarer than some of the other birds we have though.

You also might like to observer if the small leaved stuff is
actually
protecting the small birds

They do protect them, thankfully. Too shrubby and twiggy and lots of
it but the currawongs sit on the big trees and watch like proverbial
hawks. The currawongs have now become very cautious. Walking out of
the house with a gun makes then take off quick smart but we can't be
here to protect the little birds all the time and they need to come
out to feed at times when we aren't around.

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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

But do you have any ideas for getting rid of currawongs? The
mongrel
*******s eat smaller birds and I need my wrens for aphid patrols.
BTW, the aphids have arrived and still not a sign of any ants
anywhere
near the roses but the wrens are very active.

A good way to increase your local wren population is to provide them
with nesting sites. A lot of my birdhouse gourd houses are occupied
every year, sometimes twice in a season. :-)

Easy to make too.

I have quite a few birdhouse gourd seeds on hand if you want some?

Thanks for the generous offer Om. Are you in Australia? If not then
I must sadly decline due to quarantine concerns. However, I'm sure
that the problem isn't breeding, we have lots odfine leaved shrubs and
bushes and each year we have babies. It's just that the sodding
Currawongs are such efficient and effective killers.

Don't think I've never sent seeds to Australia. ;-)
One just has to have the "knack" if you know what I mean.

Seriously, contact me off line. The beauty of birdhouse gourds is that
you can control the hole size and keep the killers out and protect the
young. House wrens are pretty tiny.

Of course, you can use just about any gourd, or build some small bird
houses. It's just that the gourds are convenient and easy, and fast. One
of my most valuable items is time it seems! Hence the "pop up"
greenhouses I have. Spent maybe 1 hour max erecting each one and putting
in the shelving.


We went away for 3 days and when we came back we both noticed how much
the small bird population had dropped. We keep an eye on the
Currawongs when we are here and "discourage" them for being aroudn.

Are you allowed to own an air rifle? Around here, those are not
classified as a firearm.

Squirrel is delicious. Can't help but wonder the same about Currawongs?

;-)
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson