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TG'sFM wrote:
lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: Oz wrote: "HeadRush" ( . )( . wrote in message ... "^T^" wrote in message ... TG'sFM wrote: wrote: ...everyone's lawn is dry and yellowing due to water restructions, except for your neighbours which is in pristine condition? It looks like a ****ing golf course next door. Maybe you neighbour has different grass than the others. There are species like "Sir Walter" which don't need any water other than dew to keep it green and healthy all year round. He may also have water crystals or other form of wetting agent under the lawn to retain what moisture it does get. So in other words, your neighbour may have learned to "manage" the water restructions, while you and your ilk have not. So if you want a pristine lawn like your neighbour, stop complaining and get off your backside and do something about it. Another management tool for a nice lawn is only water once a week, if you water it too often the roots get lazy and stay shallow but if water once a week they grow deeper looking for water giving you a stronger lawn. Is Sir Walter as good as they say it is?? I saw an ad for it last week saying it could go months without water and was as drought resistant as a gum tree. Compacted soil is a major problem in lawn maintenance. I've seen lawns die because the soil was so compacted it felt like concrete - water could not permeate deep into the soil and root growth was restructed. Aerating the lawn using a spiked lawn aerator helps loosen the soil around the roots promoting strong root growth and exposes the root to oxygen. A sprinkle of nitrogenous fertilizer afterwards and a weekly watering will do wonders. Also, never mow your lawn too short - might look good, but you remove vital sun absorbing green leaf which feeds the grass through photosynthesis. and mowing your lawn too short also increases the amount of direct sunlight that is able to hit your top soil, thus creating more evaporation, causing your lawn to dry out faster, this is one of the benefits of having a mulching mower :-) Everyone's an expert it seems. Mulching mowers should be outlawed. Cut grass needs to be caught in a catcher, left to die, and THEN used as mulch. If you use a mulching mower, the cut grass does MORE DAMAGE THAN GOOD, as it drains the soil of the good nuitrients. You're either ignorant or trying to be a smart arse. Mulching mowers deposit the finely cut grass back into the lawn where it decomposes, nourishes, and fertilizes it, and provides covering for any exposed soil to help with moisture retention. Besides.. mulching mowers avoid the necessity to keep stopping to empty the catcher. So they're great for lazy bums like me. Sorry, but you are wong on this one. Mulching mowers are NOT good for your grass. Just think about it for a tick. If it was good, then why wouldn't mowing contractors do it? After all, it'd save them trips to the dump, plus if it's so good for the lawn, it would grow quicker which would mean more mowing jobs. But they don't do they? Here's something else I bet you don't know. Most mowing contractors use a Honda Buffallo self-propelled mower. They actually come with a mulching kit as an option, yet in all my years, I have never, ever seen a single contractor take up that option. The reason? Freshly cut grass is NOT a good mulch. In fact, it is bad because it draws badly need nutrients from the soil. In fact, most plants act in this way. If a plant thinks it is dying, it will try desperately to reproduce or grow. That is why shrubs thrive after you cut them back, and why fruit trees flower after being trimmed. Well that sounds good in theory, except that the mulch produced from mulching mowers is extremely fine. It is NOT 'freshly cut grass' as such. Now be a good boy and stick to a subject that you have at least SOME knowledge about. That is all. "Mulching mowers feature a patented four swing-back blade system which works like a fan, drawing the cut grass in from the blade tips. As they mulch, these mowers return rich nutrients from the fine grass clippings back into your lawn to promote lush, green growth without the need for blood & bone or other products. So you'll get a great lawn and save on fertilisers too! What's more, mulching reduces evaporation, which is so important in todays environment! " http://www.victa.com.au/index.cfm?p=...81C657C866099B "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. For this reason, it makes more sense for most urban and suburban homeowners to use a mulching mower, rather than bagging their grass clippings and dumping them in the compost pile." http://landscaping.about.com/cs/gift...ing_mowers.htm "Using a mulching mower saves in several ways. It saves time, since you don't have to repeatedly stop the mower to empty and reattach the bag. It saves money, since the nitrogen in the clippings fertilizes the lawn, reducing the amount of supplemental fertilizer you have to apply." http://www.hometips.com/help/gardene.html "Mulching mowers are made to chop grass into fine pieces that drop down into the mowed turf that remains. The result is a clean-looking lawn with no visible clippings. The clippings that drop into the turf dry out and quickly decompose." http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...88/ai_12400799 Just a sample of the hundreds (thousands?) of articles that can be found supporting my comments. But hey, everyone else could be wrong, and you could be right! But we've (we've?) yet to see any proof that you are. -- rgds, Pete ===== http://pw352.blogspot.com/ 'Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines' |
Isn't it funny how...
lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: Oz wrote: "HeadRush" ( . )( . wrote in message ... "^T^" wrote in message ... TG'sFM wrote: wrote: ...everyone's lawn is dry and yellowing due to water restructions, except for your neighbours which is in pristine condition? It looks like a ****ing golf course next door. Maybe you neighbour has different grass than the others. There are species like "Sir Walter" which don't need any water other than dew to keep it green and healthy all year round. He may also have water crystals or other form of wetting agent under the lawn to retain what moisture it does get. So in other words, your neighbour may have learned to "manage" the water restructions, while you and your ilk have not. So if you want a pristine lawn like your neighbour, stop complaining and get off your backside and do something about it. Another management tool for a nice lawn is only water once a week, if you water it too often the roots get lazy and stay shallow but if water once a week they grow deeper looking for water giving you a stronger lawn. Is Sir Walter as good as they say it is?? I saw an ad for it last week saying it could go months without water and was as drought resistant as a gum tree. Compacted soil is a major problem in lawn maintenance. I've seen lawns die because the soil was so compacted it felt like concrete - water could not permeate deep into the soil and root growth was restructed. Aerating the lawn using a spiked lawn aerator helps loosen the soil around the roots promoting strong root growth and exposes the root to oxygen. A sprinkle of nitrogenous fertilizer afterwards and a weekly watering will do wonders. Also, never mow your lawn too short - might look good, but you remove vital sun absorbing green leaf which feeds the grass through photosynthesis. and mowing your lawn too short also increases the amount of direct sunlight that is able to hit your top soil, thus creating more evaporation, causing your lawn to dry out faster, this is one of the benefits of having a mulching mower :-) Everyone's an expert it seems. Mulching mowers should be outlawed. Cut grass needs to be caught in a catcher, left to die, and THEN used as mulch. If you use a mulching mower, the cut grass does MORE DAMAGE THAN GOOD, as it drains the soil of the good nuitrients. You're either ignorant or trying to be a smart arse. Mulching mowers deposit the finely cut grass back into the lawn where it decomposes, nourishes, and fertilizes it, and provides covering for any exposed soil to help with moisture retention. Besides.. mulching mowers avoid the necessity to keep stopping to empty the catcher. So they're great for lazy bums like me. Sorry, but you are wong on this one. Mulching mowers are NOT good for your grass. Just think about it for a tick. If it was good, then why wouldn't mowing contractors do it? After all, it'd save them trips to the dump, plus if it's so good for the lawn, it would grow quicker which would mean more mowing jobs. But they don't do they? Here's something else I bet you don't know. Most mowing contractors use a Honda Buffallo self-propelled mower. They actually come with a mulching kit as an option, yet in all my years, I have never, ever seen a single contractor take up that option. The reason? Freshly cut grass is NOT a good mulch. In fact, it is bad because it draws badly need nutrients from the soil. In fact, most plants act in this way. If a plant thinks it is dying, it will try desperately to reproduce or grow. That is why shrubs thrive after you cut them back, and why fruit trees flower after being trimmed. Well that sounds good in theory, except that the mulch produced from mulching mowers is extremely fine. It is NOT 'freshly cut grass' as such. Now be a good boy and stick to a subject that you have at least SOME knowledge about. That is all. "Mulching mowers feature a patented four swing-back blade system which works like a fan, drawing the cut grass in from the blade tips. As they mulch, these mowers return rich nutrients from the fine grass clippings back into your lawn to promote lush, green growth without the need for blood & bone or other products. So you'll get a great lawn and save on fertilisers too! What's more, mulching reduces evaporation, which is so important in todays environment! " http://www.victa.com.au/index.cfm?p=...81C657C866099B "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. For this reason, it makes more sense for most urban and suburban homeowners to use a mulching mower, rather than bagging their grass clippings and dumping them in the compost pile." http://landscaping.about.com/cs/gift...ing_mowers.htm "Using a mulching mower saves in several ways. It saves time, since you don't have to repeatedly stop the mower to empty and reattach the bag. It saves money, since the nitrogen in the clippings fertilizes the lawn, reducing the amount of supplemental fertilizer you have to apply." http://www.hometips.com/help/gardene.html "Mulching mowers are made to chop grass into fine pieces that drop down into the mowed turf that remains. The result is a clean-looking lawn with no visible clippings. The clippings that drop into the turf dry out and quickly decompose." http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...88/ai_12400799 Just a sample of the hundreds (thousands?) of articles that can be found supporting my comments. But hey, everyone else could be wrong, and you could be right! But we've (we've?) yet to see any proof that you are. So if it's so good, how come mowing contractors don't use mulch mowers? |
Isn't it funny how...
"TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: Oz wrote: "HeadRush" ( . )( . wrote in message ... "^T^" wrote in message ... TG'sFM wrote: wrote: ...everyone's lawn is dry and yellowing due to water restructions, except for your neighbours which is in pristine condition? It looks like a ****ing golf course next door. Maybe you neighbour has different grass than the others. There are species like "Sir Walter" which don't need any water other than dew to keep it green and healthy all year round. He may also have water crystals or other form of wetting agent under the lawn to retain what moisture it does get. So in other words, your neighbour may have learned to "manage" the water restructions, while you and your ilk have not. So if you want a pristine lawn like your neighbour, stop complaining and get off your backside and do something about it. Another management tool for a nice lawn is only water once a week, if you water it too often the roots get lazy and stay shallow but if water once a week they grow deeper looking for water giving you a stronger lawn. Is Sir Walter as good as they say it is?? I saw an ad for it last week saying it could go months without water and was as drought resistant as a gum tree. Compacted soil is a major problem in lawn maintenance. I've seen lawns die because the soil was so compacted it felt like concrete - water could not permeate deep into the soil and root growth was restructed. Aerating the lawn using a spiked lawn aerator helps loosen the soil around the roots promoting strong root growth and exposes the root to oxygen. A sprinkle of nitrogenous fertilizer afterwards and a weekly watering will do wonders. Also, never mow your lawn too short - might look good, but you remove vital sun absorbing green leaf which feeds the grass through |
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takes nitrogen out then releases it again.
Ive been using one of these mulching mowers for years, but with water restrictions etc, wish I had a lawn. As far as a better lawn is concerend, I dont think it makes much diference. "Jen" wrote in message ... "TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. Compost gets to very high temperatures, that's another reason compost/grass clippings should be composted first. As for fertilising, like someone else said, dead organic matter takes nutrients *out* of the soil until it's properly composted. Jen |
Isn't it funny how...
"TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. Compost gets to very high temperatures, that's another reason compost/grass clippings should be composted first. As for fertilising, like someone else said, dead organic matter takes nutrients *out* of the soil until it's properly composted. Jen |
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My lawn is pretty green too - i use ALL my grey water from washing machine
(front loader), shower (yes, savers) and rinse water from the kitchen sink on the grass and plants etc. Adds up to quite a lot, and everything's thriving, tho i did change my washing powder to phosphate free 'green care' liquid - aus made, and works great. "TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: Oz wrote: "HeadRush" ( . )( . wrote in message ... "^T^" wrote in message ... TG'sFM wrote: wrote: ...everyone's lawn is dry and yellowing due to water restructions, except for your neighbours which is in pristine condition? It looks like a ****ing golf course next door. Maybe you neighbour has different grass than the others. There are species like "Sir Walter" which don't need any water other than dew to keep it green and healthy all year round. He may also have water crystals or other form of wetting agent under the lawn to retain what moisture it does get. So in other words, your neighbour may have learned to "manage" the water restructions, while you and your ilk have not. So if you want a pristine lawn like your neighbour, stop complaining and get off your backside and do something about it. Another management tool for a nice lawn is only water once a week, if you water it too often the roots get lazy and stay shallow but if water once a week they grow deeper looking for water giving you a stronger lawn. Is Sir Walter as good as they say it is?? I saw an ad for it last week saying it could go months without water and was as drought resistant as a gum tree. Compacted soil is a major problem in lawn maintenance. I've seen lawns die because the soil was so compacted it felt like concrete - water could not permeate deep into the soil and root growth was restructed. Aerating the lawn using a spiked lawn aerator helps loosen the soil around the roots promoting strong root growth and exposes the root to oxygen. A sprinkle of nitrogenous fertilizer afterwards and a weekly watering will do wonders. Also, never mow your lawn too short - might look good, but you remove vital sun absorbing green leaf which feeds the grass through photosynthesis. and mowing your lawn too short also increases the amount of direct sunlight that is able to hit your top soil, thus creating more evaporation, causing your lawn to dry out faster, this is one of the benefits of having a mulching mower :-) Everyone's an expert it seems. Mulching mowers should be outlawed. Cut grass needs to be caught in a catcher, left to die, and THEN used as mulch. If you use a mulching mower, the cut grass does MORE DAMAGE THAN GOOD, as it drains the soil of the good nuitrients. You're either ignorant or trying to be a smart arse. Mulching mowers deposit the finely cut grass back into the lawn where it decomposes, nourishes, and fertilizes it, and provides covering for any exposed soil to help with moisture retention. Besides.. mulching mowers avoid the necessity to keep stopping to empty the catcher. So they're great for lazy bums like me. Sorry, but you are wong on this one. Mulching mowers are NOT good for your grass. Just think about it for a tick. If it was good, then why wouldn't mowing contractors do it? After all, it'd save them trips to the dump, plus if it's so good for the lawn, it would grow quicker which would mean more mowing jobs. But they don't do they? Here's something else I bet you don't know. Most mowing contractors use a Honda Buffallo self-propelled mower. They actually come with a mulching kit as an option, yet in all my years, I have never, ever seen a single contractor take up that option. The reason? Freshly cut grass is NOT a good mulch. In fact, it is bad because it draws badly need nutrients from the soil. In fact, most plants act in this way. If a plant thinks it is dying, it will try desperately to reproduce or grow. That is why shrubs thrive after you cut them back, and why fruit trees flower after being trimmed. Well that sounds good in theory, except that the mulch produced from mulching mowers is extremely fine. It is NOT 'freshly cut grass' as such. Now be a good boy and stick to a subject that you have at least SOME knowledge about. That is all. "Mulching mowers feature a patented four swing-back blade system which works like a fan, drawing the cut grass in from the blade tips. As they mulch, these mowers return rich nutrients from the fine grass clippings back into your lawn to promote lush, green growth without the need for blood & bone or other products. So you'll get a great lawn and save on fertilisers too! What's more, mulching reduces evaporation, which is so important in todays environment! " http://www.victa.com.au/index.cfm?p=...81C657C866099B "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. For this reason, it makes more sense for most urban and suburban homeowners to use a mulching mower, rather than bagging their grass clippings and dumping them in the compost pile." http://landscaping.about.com/cs/gift...ing_mowers.htm "Using a mulching mower saves in several ways. It saves time, since you don't have to repeatedly stop the mower to empty and reattach the bag. It saves money, since the nitrogen in the clippings fertilizes the lawn, reducing the amount of supplemental fertilizer you have to apply." http://www.hometips.com/help/gardene.html "Mulching mowers are made to chop grass into fine pieces that drop down into the mowed turf that remains. The result is a clean-looking lawn with no visible clippings. The clippings that drop into the turf dry out and quickly decompose." http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...88/ai_12400799 Just a sample of the hundreds (thousands?) of articles that can be found supporting my comments. But hey, everyone else could be wrong, and you could be right! But we've (we've?) yet to see any proof that you are. So if it's so good, how come mowing contractors don't use mulch mowers? |
Isn't it funny how...
TG'sFM wrote:
lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: Oz wrote: "HeadRush" ( . )( . wrote in message ... "^T^" wrote in message ... TG'sFM wrote: wrote: ...everyone's lawn is dry and yellowing due to water restructions, except for your neighbours which is in pristine condition? It looks like a ****ing golf course next door. Maybe you neighbour has different grass than the others. There are species like "Sir Walter" which don't need any water other than dew to keep it green and healthy all year round. He may also have water crystals or other form of wetting agent under the lawn to retain what moisture it does get. So in other words, your neighbour may have learned to "manage" the water restructions, while you and your ilk have not. So if you want a pristine lawn like your neighbour, stop complaining and get off your backside and do something about it. Another management tool for a nice lawn is only water once a week, if you water it too often the roots get lazy and stay shallow but if water once a week they grow deeper looking for water giving you a stronger lawn. Is Sir Walter as good as they say it is?? I saw an ad for it last week saying it could go months without water and was as drought resistant as a gum tree. Compacted soil is a major problem in lawn maintenance. I've seen lawns die because the soil was so compacted it felt like concrete - water could not permeate deep into the soil and root growth was restructed. Aerating the lawn using a spiked lawn aerator helps loosen the soil around the roots promoting strong root growth and exposes the root to oxygen. A sprinkle of nitrogenous fertilizer afterwards and a weekly watering will do wonders. Also, never mow your lawn too short - might look good, but you remove vital sun absorbing green leaf which feeds the grass through photosynthesis. and mowing your lawn too short also increases the amount of direct sunlight that is able to hit your top soil, thus creating more evaporation, causing your lawn to dry out faster, this is one of the benefits of having a mulching mower :-) Everyone's an expert it seems. Mulching mowers should be outlawed. Cut grass needs to be caught in a catcher, left to die, and THEN used as mulch. If you use a mulching mower, the cut grass does MORE DAMAGE THAN GOOD, as it drains the soil of the good nuitrients. You're either ignorant or trying to be a smart arse. Mulching mowers deposit the finely cut grass back into the lawn where it decomposes, nourishes, and fertilizes it, and provides covering for any exposed soil to help with moisture retention. Besides.. mulching mowers avoid the necessity to keep stopping to empty the catcher. So they're great for lazy bums like me. Sorry, but you are wong on this one. Mulching mowers are NOT good for your grass. Just think about it for a tick. If it was good, then why wouldn't mowing contractors do it? After all, it'd save them trips to the dump, plus if it's so good for the lawn, it would grow quicker which would mean more mowing jobs. But they don't do they? Here's something else I bet you don't know. Most mowing contractors use a Honda Buffallo self-propelled mower. They actually come with a mulching kit as an option, yet in all my years, I have never, ever seen a single contractor take up that option. The reason? Freshly cut grass is NOT a good mulch. In fact, it is bad because it draws badly need nutrients from the soil. In fact, most plants act in this way. If a plant thinks it is dying, it will try desperately to reproduce or grow. That is why shrubs thrive after you cut them back, and why fruit trees flower after being trimmed. Well that sounds good in theory, except that the mulch produced from mulching mowers is extremely fine. It is NOT 'freshly cut grass' as such. Now be a good boy and stick to a subject that you have at least SOME knowledge about. That is all. "Mulching mowers feature a patented four swing-back blade system which works like a fan, drawing the cut grass in from the blade tips. As they mulch, these mowers return rich nutrients from the fine grass clippings back into your lawn to promote lush, green growth without the need for blood & bone or other products. So you'll get a great lawn and save on fertilisers too! What's more, mulching reduces evaporation, which is so important in todays environment! " http://www.victa.com.au/index.cfm?p=...81C657C866099B "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. For this reason, it makes more sense for most urban and suburban homeowners to use a mulching mower, rather than bagging their grass clippings and dumping them in the compost pile." http://landscaping.about.com/cs/gift...ing_mowers.htm "Using a mulching mower saves in several ways. It saves time, since you don't have to repeatedly stop the mower to empty and reattach the bag. It saves money, since the nitrogen in the clippings fertilizes the lawn, reducing the amount of supplemental fertilizer you have to apply." http://www.hometips.com/help/gardene.html "Mulching mowers are made to chop grass into fine pieces that drop down into the mowed turf that remains. The result is a clean-looking lawn with no visible clippings. The clippings that drop into the turf dry out and quickly decompose." http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...88/ai_12400799 Just a sample of the hundreds (thousands?) of articles that can be found supporting my comments. But hey, everyone else could be wrong, and you could be right! But we've (we've?) yet to see any proof that you are. So if it's so good, how come mowing contractors don't use mulch mowers? I have no idea. I haven't canvassed mowing contractors, and I only have your word that they don't. -- rgds, Pete ===== http://pw352.blogspot.com/ 'When things just can't get any worse, they will!' |
Isn't it funny how...
Jen wrote: "TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. Compost gets to very high temperatures, that's another reason compost/grass clippings should be composted first. As for fertilising, like someone else said, dead organic matter takes nutrients *out* of the soil until it's properly composted. That's correct, yet our resident member of The Australian Society of Horticultural Science doesn't even know the basics it seems. |
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lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: Oz wrote: "HeadRush" ( . )( . wrote in message ... "^T^" wrote in message ... TG'sFM wrote: wrote: ...everyone's lawn is dry and yellowing due to water restructions, except for your neighbours which is in pristine condition? It looks like a ****ing golf course next door. Maybe you neighbour has different grass than the others. There are species like "Sir Walter" which don't need any water other than dew to keep it green and healthy all year round. He may also have water crystals or other form of wetting agent under the lawn to retain what moisture it does get. So in other words, your neighbour may have learned to "manage" the water restructions, while you and your ilk have not. So if you want a pristine lawn like your neighbour, stop complaining and get off your backside and do something about it. Another management tool for a nice lawn is only water once a week, if you water it too often the roots get lazy and stay shallow but if water once a week they grow deeper looking for water giving you a stronger lawn. Is Sir Walter as good as they say it is?? I saw an ad for it last week saying it could go months without water and was as drought resistant as a gum tree. Compacted soil is a major problem in lawn maintenance. I've seen lawns die because the soil was so compacted it felt like concrete - water could not permeate deep into the soil and root growth was restructed. Aerating the lawn using a spiked lawn aerator helps loosen the soil around the roots promoting strong root growth and exposes the root to oxygen. A sprinkle of nitrogenous fertilizer afterwards and a weekly watering will do wonders. Also, never mow your lawn too short - might look good, but you remove vital sun absorbing green leaf which feeds the grass through photosynthesis. and mowing your lawn too short also increases the amount of direct sunlight that is able to hit your top soil, thus creating more evaporation, causing your lawn to dry out faster, this is one of the benefits of having a mulching mower :-) Everyone's an expert it seems. Mulching mowers should be outlawed. Cut grass needs to be caught in a catcher, left to die, and THEN used as mulch. If you use a mulching mower, the cut grass does MORE DAMAGE THAN GOOD, as it drains the soil of the good nuitrients. You're either ignorant or trying to be a smart arse. Mulching mowers deposit the finely cut grass back into the lawn where it decomposes, nourishes, and fertilizes it, and provides covering for any exposed soil to help with moisture retention. Besides.. mulching mowers avoid the necessity to keep stopping to empty the catcher. So they're great for lazy bums like me. Sorry, but you are wong on this one. Mulching mowers are NOT good for your grass. Just think about it for a tick. If it was good, then why wouldn't mowing contractors do it? After all, it'd save them trips to the dump, plus if it's so good for the lawn, it would grow quicker which would mean more mowing jobs. But they don't do they? Here's something else I bet you don't know. Most mowing contractors use a Honda Buffallo self-propelled mower. They actually come with a mulching kit as an option, yet in all my years, I have never, ever seen a single contractor take up that option. The reason? Freshly cut grass is NOT a good mulch. In fact, it is bad because it draws badly need nutrients from the soil. In fact, most plants act in this way. If a plant thinks it is dying, it will try desperately to reproduce or grow. That is why shrubs thrive after you cut them back, and why fruit trees flower after being trimmed. Well that sounds good in theory, except that the mulch produced from mulching mowers is extremely fine. It is NOT 'freshly cut grass' as such. Now be a good boy and stick to a subject that you have at least SOME knowledge about. That is all. "Mulching mowers feature a patented four swing-back blade system which works like a fan, drawing the cut grass in from the blade tips. As they mulch, these mowers return rich nutrients from the fine grass clippings back into your lawn to promote lush, green growth without the need for blood & bone or other products. So you'll get a great lawn and save on fertilisers too! What's more, mulching reduces evaporation, which is so important in todays environment! " http://www.victa.com.au/index.cfm?p=...81C657C866099B "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. For this reason, it makes more sense for most urban and suburban homeowners to use a mulching mower, rather than bagging their grass clippings and dumping them in the compost pile." http://landscaping.about.com/cs/gift...ing_mowers.htm "Using a mulching mower saves in several ways. It saves time, since you don't have to repeatedly stop the mower to empty and reattach the bag. It saves money, since the nitrogen in the clippings fertilizes the lawn, reducing the amount of supplemental fertilizer you have to apply." http://www.hometips.com/help/gardene.html "Mulching mowers are made to chop grass into fine pieces that drop down into the mowed turf that remains. The result is a clean-looking lawn with no visible clippings. The clippings that drop into the turf dry out and quickly decompose." http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...88/ai_12400799 Just a sample of the hundreds (thousands?) of articles that can be found supporting my comments. But hey, everyone else could be wrong, and you could be right! But we've (we've?) yet to see any proof that you are. So if it's so good, how come mowing contractors don't use mulch mowers? I have no idea. I haven't canvassed mowing contractors, and I only have your word that they don't. My good word is all that's required. |
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Jen wrote:
"TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. Compost gets to very high temperatures, that's another reason compost/grass clippings should be composted first. We're not talking about compost or grass clippings tho. The mulch produced by mulching mowers is extremely fine. It doesn't need composting. As for fertilising, like someone else said, dead organic matter takes nutrients *out* of the soil until it's properly composted. Jen -- rgds, Pete ===== http://pw352.blogspot.com/ 'Windows: The triumph of marketing over technology' |
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lynx wrote: Jen wrote: "TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. Compost gets to very high temperatures, that's another reason compost/grass clippings should be composted first. As for fertilising, like someone else said, dead organic matter takes nutrients *out* of the soil until it's properly composted. We're not talking about compost or grass clippings tho. The mulch produced by mulching mowers is extremely fine. It doesn't need composting. Look who's backpedalling now. It doesn't matter how fine it is, it is still bad for the lawn. Besides, if you cut 1 inch off your grass, the mulching mower will at best produce two (2) equal half inch pieces of grass. And we won't even go off on a tangent about how the lawn will then require dethatching every few months if you do this - otherwise you are going to have to mow your "lawn" higher and higher each time. |
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lynx wrote: imorf wrote: ros :) wrote: My lawn is pretty green too - i use ALL my grey water from washing machine (front loader), shower (yes, savers) and rinse water from the kitchen sink on the grass and plants etc. Adds up to quite a lot, and everything's thriving, tho i did change my washing powder to phosphate free 'green care' liquid - aus made, and works great. /pat on the back. Meanwhile industry uses how many thousands/millions of litres daily? It's a renewable resource, so who gives a **** as to how much industry use. It's not as though we are going to run out. |
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ros :) wrote: My lawn is pretty green too - i use ALL my grey water from washing machine (front loader), shower (yes, savers) and rinse water from the kitchen sink on the grass and plants etc. Adds up to quite a lot, and everything's thriving, tho i did change my washing powder to phosphate free 'green care' liquid - aus made, and works great. /pat on the back. Meanwhile industry uses how many thousands/millions of litres daily? -- rgds, Pete ===== http://pw352.blogspot.com/ 'Who are all these kids, and why are they calling me daddy??' |
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i know... but i can't do NOTHING just because business is water expensive.
that will change eventually, i hope... it's not always convenient to do the washing machine/grey water thing, esp at night, but i have it draining into a big rubbish bin, from which i syphon it when it suits me... and i'm sick of tripping over buckets in the shower but when those buckets provide all the water i need for several shrubs, it sort of seems worthwhile... i dunno, perhaps it just makes me feel better, and that can't be a bad thing :)) "lynx" wrote in message ... imorf wrote: ros :) wrote: My lawn is pretty green too - i use ALL my grey water from washing machine (front loader), shower (yes, savers) and rinse water from the kitchen sink on the grass and plants etc. Adds up to quite a lot, and everything's thriving, tho i did change my washing powder to phosphate free 'green care' liquid - aus made, and works great. /pat on the back. Meanwhile industry uses how many thousands/millions of litres daily? -- rgds, Pete ===== http://pw352.blogspot.com/ 'Who are all these kids, and why are they calling me daddy??' |
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thank you *preen* :)
"imorf" wrote in message ... ros :) wrote: My lawn is pretty green too - i use ALL my grey water from washing machine (front loader), shower (yes, savers) and rinse water from the kitchen sink on the grass and plants etc. Adds up to quite a lot, and everything's thriving, tho i did change my washing powder to phosphate free 'green care' liquid - aus made, and works great. /pat on the back. |
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takes nitrogen out then releases it again. I've been using one of these mulching mowers for years, I've been using mine for more than a decade, and am of the opinion that it does make a difference. but with water restrictions etc, wish I had a lawn. Likewise. As far as a better lawn is concerend, I dont think it makes much diference. "Jen" wrote in message ... "TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. Compost gets to very high temperatures, that's another reason compost/grass clippings should be composted first. As for fertilising, like someone else said, dead organic matter takes nutrients *out* of the soil until it's properly composted. Jen -- rgds, Pete ===== http://pw352.blogspot.com/ '(A)bort, (R)etry, (P)anic (D)eny this ever happened!' |
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lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: lynx wrote: Jen wrote: "TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. Compost gets to very high temperatures, that's another reason compost/grass clippings should be composted first. As for fertilising, like someone else said, dead organic matter takes nutrients *out* of the soil until it's properly composted. We're not talking about compost or grass clippings tho. The mulch produced by mulching mowers is extremely fine. It doesn't need composting. Look who's backpedalling now. Not backpedalling at all dickhead. In any case, I'm only stating the consensus on the matter. I don't claim to be any sort of expert. It doesn't matter how fine it is, it is still bad for the lawn. Only says you. Provide some proof. Besides, if you cut 1 inch off your grass, the mulching mower will at best produce two (2) equal half inch pieces of grass. Really? Since when did mulching become an exact science? Have you even ever used a mulching mower? I know it's not an exact science. That's why I said "at best". In futurer, it'd be swell if you read what is typed, and not what you THINK is typed. And we won't even go off on a tangent about how the lawn will then require dethatching every few months if you do this - otherwise you are going to have to mow your "lawn" higher and higher each time. LOL! Never used a mulching mower have you. Of course I haven't. As I said earlier, they should be banned. Ask the next mowing contractor you see and he'll tell you why he doesn't use them either. |
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lynx wrote: Jen wrote: "TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. Compost gets to very high temperatures, that's another reason compost/grass clippings should be composted first. As for fertilising, like someone else said, dead organic matter takes nutrients *out* of the soil until it's properly composted. We're not talking about compost or grass clippings tho. The mulch produced by mulching mowers is extremely fine. It doesn't need composting. Look who's backpedalling now. Not backpedalling at all dickhead. In any case, I'm only stating the consensus on the matter. I don't claim to be any sort of expert. It doesn't matter how fine it is, it is still bad for the lawn. Only says you. Provide some proof. Besides, if you cut 1 inch off your grass, the mulching mower will at best produce two (2) equal half inch pieces of grass. Really? Since when did mulching become an exact science? Have you even ever used a mulching mower? And we won't even go off on a tangent about how the lawn will then require dethatching every few months if you do this - otherwise you are going to have to mow your "lawn" higher and higher each time. LOL! Never used a mulching mower have you. -- rgds, Pete ===== http://pw352.blogspot.com/ 'Mental backup in progress- Do Not Disturb!' |
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lynx wrote: imorf wrote: ros :) wrote: My lawn is pretty green too - i use ALL my grey water from washing machine (front loader), shower (yes, savers) and rinse water from the kitchen sink on the grass and plants etc. Adds up to quite a lot, and everything's thriving, tho i did change my washing powder to phosphate free 'green care' liquid - aus made, and works great. /pat on the back. Meanwhile industry uses how many thousands/millions of litres daily? It's a renewable resource, so who gives a **** as to how much industry use. It's not as though we are going to run out. You're just an idiot. |
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ros :) wrote:
i know... but i can't do NOTHING just because business is water expensive. that will change eventually, i hope... The govt is currently looking at it. But it's annoying how that that individuals are made to sacrifice, because they're a soft target, while the authorities close a blind eye to the big boys. Also make me angry when CWW takes hours to repair a broken main spewing litres of water a second. it's not always convenient to do the washing machine/grey water thing, esp at night, but i have it draining into a big rubbish bin, from which i syphon it when it suits me... and i'm sick of tripping over buckets in the shower but when those buckets provide all the water i need for several shrubs, it sort of seems worthwhile... I fitted a diverter just this weekend and 20 metre 50mm drainage pipe. Every bit helps. Still I expect to have a dead lawn before too long, unless we get rain soon, and then some. i dunno, perhaps it just makes me feel better, and that can't be a bad thing :)) "lynx" wrote in message ... imorf wrote: ros :) wrote: My lawn is pretty green too - i use ALL my grey water from washing machine (front loader), shower (yes, savers) and rinse water from the kitchen sink on the grass and plants etc. Adds up to quite a lot, and everything's thriving, tho i did change my washing powder to phosphate free 'green care' liquid - aus made, and works great. /pat on the back. Meanwhile industry uses how many thousands/millions of litres daily? -- rgds, Pete ===== http://pw352.blogspot.com/ 'Love is temporary insanity cureable by marriage' |
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"TG'sFM" wrote in message oups.com... lynx wrote: imorf wrote: ros :) wrote: My lawn is pretty green too - i use ALL my grey water from washing machine (front loader), shower (yes, savers) and rinse water from the kitchen sink on the grass and plants etc. Adds up to quite a lot, and everything's thriving, tho i did change my washing powder to phosphate free 'green care' liquid - aus made, and works great. /pat on the back. Meanwhile industry uses how many thousands/millions of litres daily? It's a renewable resource, so who gives a **** as to how much industry use. It's not as though we are going to run out. Are we talking about water here?? And you don't care how much is used? Jen |
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"ros :)" casscat??ATiinetdotnetdotau wrote in message ... i know... but i can't do NOTHING just because business is water expensive. that will change eventually, i hope... it's not always convenient to do the washing machine/grey water thing, esp at night, but i have it draining into a big rubbish bin, from which i syphon it when it suits me... and i'm sick of tripping over buckets in the shower but when those buckets provide all the water i need for several shrubs, it sort of seems worthwhile... i dunno, perhaps it just makes me feel better, and that can't be a bad thing :)) Every bit helps. And it should make you feel good! I personally am not that good, but I certainly don't waste it. Jen |
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ros :) wrote:
My lawn is pretty green too - i use ALL my grey water from washing machine (front loader), shower (yes, savers) and rinse water from the kitchen sink on the grass and plants etc. Adds up to quite a lot, and everything's thriving, tho i did change my washing powder to phosphate free 'green care' liquid - aus made, and works great. /pat on the back. |
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lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: lynx wrote: Jen wrote: "TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. Compost gets to very high temperatures, that's another reason compost/grass clippings should be composted first. As for fertilising, like someone else said, dead organic matter takes nutrients *out* of the soil until it's properly composted. We're not talking about compost or grass clippings tho. The mulch produced by mulching mowers is extremely fine. It doesn't need composting. Look who's backpedalling now. Not backpedalling at all dickhead. In any case, I'm only stating the consensus on the matter. I don't claim to be any sort of expert. It doesn't matter how fine it is, it is still bad for the lawn. Only says you. Provide some proof. Besides, if you cut 1 inch off your grass, the mulching mower will at best produce two (2) equal half inch pieces of grass. Really? Since when did mulching become an exact science? Have you even ever used a mulching mower? I know it's not an exact science. That's why I said "at best". In futurer, it'd be swell if you read what is typed, and not what you THINK is typed. I read the nonsense that you typed. If you'd actually ever USED a mulching mower, you'd know that the grass is suspended in the mulching chamber by the updraft airflow of the blade design, and cut many times over, until it's too small to be kept afloat, and falls into the lawn. And we won't even go off on a tangent about how the lawn will then require dethatching every few months if you do this - otherwise you are going to have to mow your "lawn" higher and higher each time. LOL! Never used a mulching mower have you. Of course I haven't. I rest my case. I don't need to own one of those battery powered automatic vacuum cleaners to know they are no good. Same thing with mulching mowers. As I said earlier, they should be banned. But you're an idiot. Ask the next mowing contractor you see and he'll tell you why he doesn't use them either. I will. EOD. Is "EOD" the on-line equivilant of putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "la la la" when you realise you have lost an argument? But then again, your argument was filled with wonders like "But you're an idiot" wasn't it, so it wasn't really a contest. |
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TG'sFM wrote:
lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: lynx wrote: Jen wrote: "TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. Compost gets to very high temperatures, that's another reason compost/grass clippings should be composted first. As for fertilising, like someone else said, dead organic matter takes nutrients *out* of the soil until it's properly composted. We're not talking about compost or grass clippings tho. The mulch produced by mulching mowers is extremely fine. It doesn't need composting. Look who's backpedalling now. Not backpedalling at all dickhead. In any case, I'm only stating the consensus on the matter. I don't claim to be any sort of expert. It doesn't matter how fine it is, it is still bad for the lawn. Only says you. Provide some proof. Besides, if you cut 1 inch off your grass, the mulching mower will at best produce two (2) equal half inch pieces of grass. Really? Since when did mulching become an exact science? Have you even ever used a mulching mower? I know it's not an exact science. That's why I said "at best". In futurer, it'd be swell if you read what is typed, and not what you THINK is typed. I read the nonsense that you typed. If you'd actually ever USED a mulching mower, you'd know that the grass is suspended in the mulching chamber by the updraft airflow of the blade design, and cut many times over, until it's too small to be kept afloat, and falls into the lawn. And we won't even go off on a tangent about how the lawn will then require dethatching every few months if you do this - otherwise you are going to have to mow your "lawn" higher and higher each time. LOL! Never used a mulching mower have you. Of course I haven't. I rest my case. As I said earlier, they should be banned. But you're an idiot. Ask the next mowing contractor you see and he'll tell you why he doesn't use them either. I will. EOD. |
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"TG'sFM" wrote in message
ups.com... Jen wrote: "TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. Compost gets to very high temperatures, that's another reason compost/grass clippings should be composted first. As for fertilising, like someone else said, dead organic matter takes nutrients *out* of the soil until it's properly composted. That's correct, yet our resident member of The Australian Society of Horticultural Science doesn't even know the basics it seems. Maybe you better have a good long think there, Mulching mowers dont leave large clumps of dead matter on the lawn, it is cut up very finely and because of this it is deposited below the growth line of the lawn, it acts as a mulch to the inhibit evaporation and breakes down VERY QUICLKY ===== this is the important bit. Larg masses of static organic matter break down very slowly, they generate a lot of heat and amonia during the decaying process, the debris left by a mulching mower is very small and very fine particles, spread in a thin layer throughout the lawn, when they break down they produce vurtualy no heat and vurtualy no amonia, instead they contribute their nutrients to the top soil much faster than if the same organic matter was caught and stored in a pile to break down. as I said, 10 years working as a greenskeeper, doing the Greenkeeper trade course as well as doing the Horticultural certificate at the same time, then getting other post graduate qualifications, plus another 10 years on top of that working in the industry has taught me a thing or two about lawn maintenance. one of the first things you learn with Bowling greens for an example , is when you rest them, you take the catcher off the cylinder mower and it gets turned into a very fine mulch that is left on the green to help speed up the recovery process, the only reason that we catch the clippings on a green that is in use, is because the bowlers complaine about all the clippings sticking to their balls. the same is also true for cricket pitches and golf greens. so your personal expirence in the Lawn maintenance industry is???? -- I'm Off to see the Wizard.... Oz |
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"ros :)" casscat??ATiinetdotnetdotau wrote in message
... i know... but i can't do NOTHING just because business is water expensive. that will change eventually, i hope... it's not always convenient to do the washing machine/grey water thing, esp at night, but i have it draining into a big rubbish bin, from which i syphon it when it suits me... and i'm sick of tripping over buckets in the shower but when those buckets provide all the water i need for several shrubs, it sort of seems worthwhile... i dunno, perhaps it just makes me feel better, and that can't be a bad thing :)) "lynx" wrote in message ... imorf wrote: ros :) wrote: My lawn is pretty green too - i use ALL my grey water from washing machine (front loader), shower (yes, savers) and rinse water from the kitchen sink on the grass and plants etc. Adds up to quite a lot, and everything's thriving, tho i did change my washing powder to phosphate free 'green care' liquid - aus made, and works great. /pat on the back. Meanwhile industry uses how many thousands/millions of litres daily? My next house is going to be designed along the lines of a house boat in regards to water use, grey water is stored in a separate tank and then used for things like flushing the toilet and in a house it could also be pumped onto the gardens, you just have to change to phosphate free soaps etc. I'm actually in the planning stages of doing this to my existing house, especially if restrictions get worse, fortunately mu house is on piers, that makes it easier to get under there and make the necessary plumbing changes etc a low level tank along the back of the house will hold the grey water, only the kitchen sink and toilets will flush directly into the sewerage system and the rest will be diverted to the tank where a pump will keep the cisterns in the toilets filled and the rest will go on the garden etc, already have a large rainwater tank, for the families drinking water, I estimate I can reduce my water consumption by around 50% this way -- I'm Off to see the Wizard.... Oz |
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Oz wrote:
"TG'sFM" wrote in message ups.com... Jen wrote: "TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. Compost gets to very high temperatures, that's another reason compost/grass clippings should be composted first. As for fertilising, like someone else said, dead organic matter takes nutrients *out* of the soil until it's properly composted. That's correct, yet our resident member of The Australian Society of Horticultural Science doesn't even know the basics it seems. Maybe you better have a good long think there, Mulching mowers dont leave large clumps of dead matter on the lawn, it is cut up very finely and because of this it is deposited below the growth line of the lawn, it acts as a mulch to the inhibit evaporation and breakes down VERY QUICLKY ===== this is the important bit. Right. Large masses of static organic matter break down very slowly, they generate a lot of heat and amonia during the decaying process, the debris left by a mulching mower is very small and very fine particles, spread in a thin layer throughout the lawn, when they break down they produce vurtualy no heat and vurtualy no amonia, instead they contribute their nutrients to the top soil much faster than if the same organic matter was caught and stored in a pile to break down. Right again. In fact the particles are so fine, they really don't have to 'break down'. as I said, 10 years working as a greenskeeper, doing the Greenkeeper trade course as well as doing the Horticultural certificate at the same time, then getting other post graduate qualifications, plus another 10 years on top of that working in the industry has taught me a thing or two about lawn maintenance. one of the first things you learn with Bowling greens for an example , is when you rest them, you take the catcher off the cylinder mower and it gets turned into a very fine mulch that is left on the green to help speed up the recovery process, the only reason that we catch the clippings on a green that is in use, is because the bowlers complaine about all the clippings sticking to their balls. the same is also true for cricket pitches and golf greens. so your personal expirence in the Lawn maintenance industry is???? -- rgds, Pete ===== http://pw352.blogspot.com/ 'Always remember that you're unique. Just like everyone else' |
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TG'sFM wrote:
lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: lynx wrote: Jen wrote: "TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. Compost gets to very high temperatures, that's another reason compost/grass clippings should be composted first. As for fertilising, like someone else said, dead organic matter takes nutrients *out* of the soil until it's properly composted. We're not talking about compost or grass clippings tho. The mulch produced by mulching mowers is extremely fine. It doesn't need composting. Look who's backpedalling now. Not backpedalling at all dickhead. In any case, I'm only stating the consensus on the matter. I don't claim to be any sort of expert. It doesn't matter how fine it is, it is still bad for the lawn. Only says you. Provide some proof. Besides, if you cut 1 inch off your grass, the mulching mower will at best produce two (2) equal half inch pieces of grass. Really? Since when did mulching become an exact science? Have you even ever used a mulching mower? I know it's not an exact science. That's why I said "at best". In futurer, it'd be swell if you read what is typed, and not what you THINK is typed. I read the nonsense that you typed. If you'd actually ever USED a mulching mower, you'd know that the grass is suspended in the mulching chamber by the updraft airflow of the blade design, and cut many times over, until it's too small to be kept afloat, and falls into the lawn. And we won't even go off on a tangent about how the lawn will then require dethatching every few months if you do this - otherwise you are going to have to mow your "lawn" higher and higher each time. LOL! Never used a mulching mower have you. Of course I haven't. I rest my case. I don't need to own one of those battery powered automatic vacuum cleaners to know they are no good. They are good for various purposes, depending on the make. Same thing with mulching mowers. As I said earlier, they should be banned. But you're an idiot. Ask the next mowing contractor you see and he'll tell you why he doesn't use them either. I will. EOD. Is "EOD" the on-line equivilant of putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "la la la" when you realise you have lost an argument? No. It's simply reaching the conclusion that you're a waste of space, and it's a waste of time talking to/trying to have a sensible discussion with you. But then you are a troll. I should remember that. But then again, your argument was filled with wonders like "But you're an idiot" wasn't it, Filled? Hardly. so it wasn't really a contest. No it wasn't. My mistake in treating a fool as rational. Can I have those myriad links supporting your contentions again please? |
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"ros :)" casscat??ATiinetdotnetdotau wrote in message ... i know... but i can't do NOTHING just because business is water expensive. that will change eventually, i hope... it's not always convenient to do the washing machine/grey water thing, esp at night, but i have it draining into a big rubbish bin, from which i syphon it when it suits me... and i'm sick of tripping over buckets in the shower but when those buckets provide all the water i need for several shrubs, it sort of seems worthwhile... i dunno, perhaps it just makes me feel better, and that can't be a bad thing :)) "lynx" wrote in message ... imorf wrote: ros :) wrote: My lawn is pretty green too - i use ALL my grey water from washing machine (front loader), shower (yes, savers) and rinse water from the kitchen sink on the grass and plants etc. Adds up to quite a lot, and everything's thriving, tho i did change my washing powder to phosphate free 'green care' liquid - aus made, and works great. /pat on the back. Meanwhile industry uses how many thousands/millions of litres daily? My next house is going to be designed along the lines of a house boat in regards to water use, grey water is stored in a separate tank and then used for things like flushing the toilet and in a house it could also be pumped onto the gardens, you just have to change to phosphate free soaps etc. I'm actually in the planning stages of doing this to my existing house, especially if restrictions get worse, fortunately mu house is on piers, that makes it easier to get under there and make the necessary plumbing changes etc a low level tank along the back of the house will hold the grey water, only the kitchen sink and toilets will flush directly into the sewerage system and the rest will be diverted to the tank where a pump will keep the cisterns in the toilets filled and the rest will go on the garden etc, already have a large rainwater tank, for the families drinking water, I estimate I can reduce my water consumption by around 50% this way I've just fitted a diverter to the laundry outlet. Is it ok to allow the wash water, i.e. soapy detergent water, to run onto the lawn? Or only the rinse water? -- rgds, Pete ===== http://pw352.blogspot.com/ 'Beta version: Latin for 'doesn't work yet'' |
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lynx wrote: Ask the next mowing contractor you see and he'll tell you why he doesn't use them either. I will. Hi Kids, I've just tuned in to this - er - discussion. I'm a lawn mowing contractor, I use a Honda Buffalo (HRU216D) and/or a Rover ProCut 560. I mulch with both. Having said that, not all lawns are OK to mulch. If the grass is too long or wet, it won't mulch very well and doesn't look as nice at the end of the job. Some lawns mulch better than others; mot of my customers have Kikuyu lawns which mulch pretty well. I've found Couch and Tall Fescues don't mulch too well. Even with lawns that I regularly mulch, every fourth cut I catch the grass, just to give it a break (as per instructions and most of the lawn growing texts I've ever read). Quite a lot of other contractors mulch lawns (I'm in Adelaide). Your local situation may differ. Hope this helps. Cheers, Goldstein |
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... Oz wrote: "ros :)" casscat??ATiinetdotnetdotau wrote in message ... i know... but i can't do NOTHING just because business is water expensive. that will change eventually, i hope... it's not always convenient to do the washing machine/grey water thing, esp at night, but i have it draining into a big rubbish bin, from which i syphon it when it suits me... and i'm sick of tripping over buckets in the shower but when those buckets provide all the water i need for several shrubs, it sort of seems worthwhile... i dunno, perhaps it just makes me feel better, and that can't be a bad thing :)) "lynx" wrote in message ... imorf wrote: ros :) wrote: My lawn is pretty green too - i use ALL my grey water from washing machine (front loader), shower (yes, savers) and rinse water from the kitchen sink on the grass and plants etc. Adds up to quite a lot, and everything's thriving, tho i did change my washing powder to phosphate free 'green care' liquid - aus made, and works great. /pat on the back. Meanwhile industry uses how many thousands/millions of litres daily? My next house is going to be designed along the lines of a house boat in regards to water use, grey water is stored in a separate tank and then used for things like flushing the toilet and in a house it could also be pumped onto the gardens, you just have to change to phosphate free soaps etc. I'm actually in the planning stages of doing this to my existing house, especially if restrictions get worse, fortunately mu house is on piers, that makes it easier to get under there and make the necessary plumbing changes etc a low level tank along the back of the house will hold the grey water, only the kitchen sink and toilets will flush directly into the sewerage system and the rest will be diverted to the tank where a pump will keep the cisterns in the toilets filled and the rest will go on the garden etc, already have a large rainwater tank, for the families drinking water, I estimate I can reduce my water consumption by around 50% this way I've just fitted a diverter to the laundry outlet. Is it ok to allow the wash water, i.e. soapy detergent water, to run onto the lawn? Or only the rinse water? I let everything to out on to my lawn, but I have a front loader and therefore have to use a low suds detergent, but even before we owned a front loader, we still used everything, the big difference being the higher suds (read higher in phosphates) detergent we used in the top loader made the lawn greener in patches, usually because I moved the outlet between cycles to cover all the lawn and the areas that got the wash water greened up better than the areas that only got the rinse water, it makes no difference now as we are letting the tub next to the machine fill and then letting it out, and because the front loader uses less water than the top loader, we are getting a couple of cycles in there before we have to release instead of having to empty for ever cycle on the old machine. -- I'm Off to see the Wizard.... Oz |
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lynx wrote: Oz wrote: "TG'sFM" wrote in message ups.com... Jen wrote: "TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. Compost gets to very high temperatures, that's another reason compost/grass clippings should be composted first. As for fertilising, like someone else said, dead organic matter takes nutrients *out* of the soil until it's properly composted. That's correct, yet our resident member of The Australian Society of Horticultural Science doesn't even know the basics it seems. Maybe you better have a good long think there, Mulching mowers dont leave large clumps of dead matter on the lawn, it is cut up very finely and because of this it is deposited below the growth line of the lawn, it acts as a mulch to the inhibit evaporation and breakes down VERY QUICLKY ===== this is the important bit. Right. Large masses of static organic matter break down very slowly, they generate a lot of heat and amonia during the decaying process, the debris left by a mulching mower is very small and very fine particles, spread in a thin layer throughout the lawn, when they break down they produce vurtualy no heat and vurtualy no amonia, instead they contribute their nutrients to the top soil much faster than if the same organic matter was caught and stored in a pile to break down. Right again. In fact the particles are so fine, they really don't have to 'break down'. If they don't have to break down, how are the nutrients released? You didn't think that one through before hitting the 'send' key did you buddy? |
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I dont really worry about how this stuff works, as long as I dont have to
rake up the grass, or empty the catcher. Nature takes care of the rest. Unless you are a thoroughly out of reality type gardeners, its not really a worry. Are you going to enter your lawn in a contest?Stop bickering about crap. There's more important stuff than this to worry about. Like how am I going to avoid those lousy cricket commentaries.... "TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... lynx wrote: Oz wrote: "TG'sFM" wrote in message ups.com... Jen wrote: "TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. Compost gets to very high temperatures, that's another reason compost/grass clippings should be composted first. As for fertilising, like someone else said, dead organic matter takes nutrients *out* of the soil until it's properly composted. That's correct, yet our resident member of The Australian Society of Horticultural Science doesn't even know the basics it seems. Maybe you better have a good long think there, Mulching mowers dont leave large clumps of dead matter on the lawn, it is cut up very finely and because of this it is deposited below the growth line of the lawn, it acts as a mulch to the inhibit evaporation and breakes down VERY QUICLKY ===== this is the important bit. Right. Large masses of static organic matter break down very slowly, they generate a lot of heat and amonia during the decaying process, the debris left by a mulching mower is very small and very fine particles, spread in a thin layer throughout the lawn, when they break down they produce vurtualy no heat and vurtualy no amonia, instead they contribute their nutrients to the top soil much faster than if the same organic matter was caught and stored in a pile to break down. Right again. In fact the particles are so fine, they really don't have to 'break down'. If they don't have to break down, how are the nutrients released? You didn't think that one through before hitting the 'send' key did you buddy? |
Why mowing contractors do not use mulching mowers
Simple;
1) If people pay you to mow their lawn, they expect to see something for the $$$ and bags of grass clippings adds to their satisfaction. 2) Some people do not like the fine mulched grass that a mulching mower leaves behind. 3) You become upgrade to a lawn maintenance consultant and charge more because you then can add a "lawn fertilising service." |
Isn't it funny how...
TG'sFM wrote:
lynx wrote: Oz wrote: "TG'sFM" wrote in message ups.com... Jen wrote: "TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. Compost gets to very high temperatures, that's another reason compost/grass clippings should be composted first. As for fertilising, like someone else said, dead organic matter takes nutrients *out* of the soil until it's properly composted. That's correct, yet our resident member of The Australian Society of Horticultural Science doesn't even know the basics it seems. Maybe you better have a good long think there, Mulching mowers dont leave large clumps of dead matter on the lawn, it is cut up very finely and because of this it is deposited below the growth line of the lawn, it acts as a mulch to the inhibit evaporation and breakes down VERY QUICLKY ===== this is the important bit. Right. Large masses of static organic matter break down very slowly, they generate a lot of heat and amonia during the decaying process, the debris left by a mulching mower is very small and very fine particles, spread in a thin layer throughout the lawn, when they break down they produce vurtualy no heat and vurtualy no amonia, instead they contribute their nutrients to the top soil much faster than if the same organic matter was caught and stored in a pile to break down. Right again. In fact the particles are so fine, they really don't have to 'break down'. If they don't have to break down, how are the nutrients released? You didn't think that one through before hitting the 'send' key did you buddy? Duh! It's relative, numb nuts. They don't need to break down anywhere near the extent that clippings do. -- rgds, Pete ===== http://pw352.blogspot.com/ '(A)bort, (R)etry, (P)anic (D)eny this ever happened!' |
Why mowing contractors do not use mulching mowers
On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:49:53 +1100, Terryc wrote:
Simple; 1) If people pay you to mow their lawn, they expect to see something for the $$$ and bags of grass clippings adds to their satisfaction. 2) Some people do not like the fine mulched grass that a mulching mower leaves behind. 3) You become upgrade to a lawn maintenance consultant and charge more because you then can add a "lawn fertilising service." Leaving chopped up grass on your lawn is not a good idea. Far better to compost the clippings for at least 6 months then put them on the garden. |
Isn't it funny how...
lynx wrote: TG'sFM wrote: lynx wrote: Oz wrote: "TG'sFM" wrote in message ups.com... Jen wrote: "TG'sFM" wrote in message ps.com... "The grass clippings left behind by a mulching mower essentially function as a lawn fertilizer, as if you were applying compost to the lawn. Compost gets to very high temperatures, that's another reason compost/grass clippings should be composted first. As for fertilising, like someone else said, dead organic matter takes nutrients *out* of the soil until it's properly composted. That's correct, yet our resident member of The Australian Society of Horticultural Science doesn't even know the basics it seems. Maybe you better have a good long think there, Mulching mowers dont leave large clumps of dead matter on the lawn, it is cut up very finely and because of this it is deposited below the growth line of the lawn, it acts as a mulch to the inhibit evaporation and breakes down VERY QUICLKY ===== this is the important bit. Right. Large masses of static organic matter break down very slowly, they generate a lot of heat and amonia during the decaying process, the debris left by a mulching mower is very small and very fine particles, spread in a thin layer throughout the lawn, when they break down they produce vurtualy no heat and vurtualy no amonia, instead they contribute their nutrients to the top soil much faster than if the same organic matter was caught and stored in a pile to break down. Right again. In fact the particles are so fine, they really don't have to 'break down'. If they don't have to break down, how are the nutrients released? You didn't think that one through before hitting the 'send' key did you buddy? Duh! It's relative, numb nuts. They don't need to break down anywhere near the extent that clippings do. Oh, I see. Why then didn't you actually say that then? That way you wouldn't need to be backpedalling right now. |
Why mowing contractors do not use mulching mowers
"gardenlen" wrote in message ... we've never collect the clip from the lawn, i always say to people (i used to mow lawns for a living as well) the best place for the clip is on the lawn. for us it has meant no fertilising so no lawn grubs and also our lawns grow thicker and lusher (without watering) and we also cut them higher and in dier periods ourt lawn always looks greener longer. On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 05:35:33 GMT, wrote: On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:49:53 +1100, Terryc wrote: Simple; 1) If people pay you to mow their lawn, they expect to see something for the $$$ and bags of grass clippings adds to their satisfaction. 2) Some people do not like the fine mulched grass that a mulching mower leaves behind. 3) You become upgrade to a lawn maintenance consultant and charge more because you then can add a "lawn fertilising service." Leaving chopped up grass on your lawn is not a good idea. Far better to compost the clippings for at least 6 months then put them on the garden. I disagree with whomever thinks that grass clippings left on the lawn are a bad idea. They are actually a good way to go provided they are not left in big clumps that can kill off the grass itself. Mulched grass will feed the lawn and doesn't contribute to thatch. Composting grass is ok, the more organic methods of farming (such as Masanobu Fukuoka) recommend leaving plants nutrients where they lie to feed the soil. Removing the dead matter removed nutrients. Leaving the clippings in the lawn retains the nutrients where they are need. rob |
Why mowing contractors do not use mulching mowers
"George.com" wrote in message ... "gardenlen" wrote in message ... we've never collect the clip from the lawn, i always say to people (i used to mow lawns for a living as well) the best place for the clip is on the lawn. for us it has meant no fertilising so no lawn grubs and also our lawns grow thicker and lusher (without watering) and we also cut them higher and in dier periods ourt lawn always looks greener longer. On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 05:35:33 GMT, wrote: On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 09:49:53 +1100, Terryc wrote: Simple; 1) If people pay you to mow their lawn, they expect to see something for the $$$ and bags of grass clippings adds to their satisfaction. 2) Some people do not like the fine mulched grass that a mulching mower leaves behind. 3) You become upgrade to a lawn maintenance consultant and charge more because you then can add a "lawn fertilising service." Leaving chopped up grass on your lawn is not a good idea. Far better to compost the clippings for at least 6 months then put them on the garden. I disagree with whomever thinks that grass clippings left on the lawn are a bad idea. They are actually a good way to go provided they are not left in big clumps that can kill off the grass itself. Mulched grass will feed the lawn and doesn't contribute to thatch. Composting grass is ok, the more organic methods of farming (such as Masanobu Fukuoka) recommend leaving plants nutrients where they lie to feed the soil. Removing the dead matter removed nutrients. Leaving the clippings in the lawn retains the nutrients where they are need. rob ps what happened to the website Len? Shut down for soliciting money? rob |
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