"0tterbot" wrote in message

i know you've got an avowed set against city-folk g,

Not all of them, just most of them. Like most American, they just
don't get it.

but sydneysiders
subsidise a lot of country stuff.

Given the continual fall in services in the country, I'd be interested
to know what they are subsidising.

"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
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"0tterbot" wrote in message

i know you've got an avowed set against city-folk g,

Not all of them, just most of them. Like most American, they just
don't get it.

but sydneysiders
subsidise a lot of country stuff.

Given the continual fall in services in the country, I'd be interested
to know what they are subsidising.

i'm wondering if the country EVER had good services, or if people remember
erroneously :-)

in nsw (as an example) there are 4 million city-folk & one million
country-folk. the one million take up a lot more space than the 4 million
do, but still have roads, schools, hospitals etc to consider. there's no way
on earth the one million are paying for the country stuff & the 4 million
paying for the city stuff because that would not be possible - it just
doesn't work that way.

in cities you get economies of scale (consider telstra cables, for example).
so the extra state & federal monies raised in cities but destined for
project whatever end up in the country too otherwise the country couldn't
afford anything at all :-). so we might help pay for their (cough)
desalinator, but they help pay for our roads, schools, hospitals, telstra
cable, etc.

tax funds for a state are for the whole state, not just some of it - yet
similarly spending for something in a state is paid for by the whole
state.
kylie

"0tterbot" wrote in message
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
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"0tterbot" wrote in message

i know you've got an avowed set against city-folk g,

Not all of them, just most of them. Like most American, they just
don't get it.

but sydneysiders
subsidise a lot of country stuff.

Given the continual fall in services in the country, I'd be
interested
to know what they are subsidising.

i'm wondering if the country EVER had good services, or if people
remember
erroneously :-)

Doctors, hospitals and TAFEs are jsut 3 off the top of my head where I
know services have dropped in standard or failed to keep up.

in nsw (as an example) there are 4 million city-folk & one million
country-folk. the one million take up a lot more space than the 4
million
do, but still have roads, schools, hospitals etc to consider.
there's no way
on earth the one million are paying for the country stuff & the 4
million
paying for the city stuff because that would not be possible - it
just
doesn't work that way.

Roads are looked after by local rates UNLESS it is a major State
highway. Why do you think country roads are so shitty? Schools and
hospitals are fuunded from grant to the States from the Federal
Governement and much/most of this revenue is now raised from the GST.
Since the GST is a comsumption tax, then most rampant consumers are
the ones who pay. I guess you were thinking of city people being
those rampant consumers?

in cities you get economies of scale (consider telstra cables, for
example).
so the extra state & federal monies raised in cities but destined
for
project whatever end up in the country too otherwise the country
couldn't
afford anything at all :-). so we might help pay for their (cough)
desalinator, but they help pay for our roads, schools, hospitals,
telstra
cable, etc.

They don't pay for our roads, we do, unless it's deemed that there is
a Statewide or Natrionwide need for the road to be highway. They pay
for our schools and hospitals if they consume, otherwise they pay for
it in taxes just like the rest of us unless they are using social
services. So little Telstra improvement has not happened since the
first sale of shares that it doesn't count (and how dare the bloody
Feds sell something we owned anyway - *******s!).

But in addition to all that, there are strategic reasons why a vibrant
countryside is needed, but that philosphy has disapearred from the
thinging of any State or Federal Government over the past few decades.
Short term objectives only seem to be the goal - example: the Feds
ahve wasted the longest economic boom we've had in decades and done
nothing except aima t keeping themselves in powere - no infrastructure
spending and no long term planning or implementation - they're living
on the economic reforms set in place by Labor and yet claiming they've
done a great job economically.

tax funds for a state are for the whole state, not just some of it

Couldn't have put it better myself - shame they don"t think of that in
Macquarie St. I think that the WA and Qld governemtns might be better
at that than the NSW government.

- yet
similarly spending for something in a state is paid for by the
whole
state.
kylie

"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
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i'm wondering if the country EVER had good services, or if people
remember
erroneously :-)

Doctors, hospitals and TAFEs are jsut 3 off the top of my head where I
know services have dropped in standard or failed to keep up.

the federal liberal (sic) party is killing tafe. remember that at voting
time!

Roads are looked after by local rates UNLESS it is a major State
highway.

well, yeah.

Why do you think country roads are so shitty? Schools and
hospitals are fuunded from grant to the States from the Federal
Governement and much/most of this revenue is now raised from the GST.
Since the GST is a comsumption tax, then most rampant consumers are
the ones who pay. I guess you were thinking of city people being
those rampant consumers?

well not necessarily - based on sheer numbers it's purely a fact that they
contribute (slightly more than) 4/5 of state revenue in nsw. there's
actually many more taxes and similar than gst. gst did away with precisely
one (1) that i know of, although undoubtedly there were a few more that i
don't know of. (it's nowhere near as "efficient" etc as was touted - it's a
mess :-)

and i say "slightly more than" due to (generally) higher wages & higher
employment in syd-er-nee.

They don't pay for our roads, we do, unless it's deemed that there is
a Statewide or Natrionwide need for the road to be highway. They pay
for our schools and hospitals if they consume, otherwise they pay for
it in taxes just like the rest of us unless they are using social
services. So little Telstra improvement has not happened since the
first sale of shares that it doesn't count (and how dare the bloody
Feds sell something we owned anyway - *******s!).

damned straight! and remember that at voting time, too ;-)

But in addition to all that, there are strategic reasons why a vibrant
countryside is needed, but that philosphy has disapearred from the
thinging of any State or Federal Government over the past few decades.

i agree. except himself with the flappy lips who pays flappy-lip service to
the idea (seeing as how they're in a coalition with the nats).

Short term objectives only seem to be the goal - example: the Feds
ahve wasted the longest economic boom we've had in decades and done
nothing except aima t keeping themselves in powere - no infrastructure
spending and no long term planning or implementation - they're living
on the economic reforms set in place by Labor and yet claiming they've
done a great job economically.

preach it, farm!!!!!!

tax funds for a state are for the whole state, not just some of it

Couldn't have put it better myself - shame they don"t think of that in
Macquarie St. I think that the WA and Qld governemtns might be better
at that than the NSW government.

i think a roomful of angry one-legged budgies would achieve more than the
nsw govt, but perhaps that's just me.
kylie

"0tterbot" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message

Doctors, hospitals and TAFEs are jsut 3 off the top of my head
where I
know services have dropped in standard or failed to keep up.

the federal liberal (sic) party is killing tafe. remember that at
voting
time!

Howard lost me totally and irretreivably over the Tampa. In a matter
of weeks he took us from the incredible euphoria as a Nation of "We
CAN take on the world and WIN" following the Olympics to a cringing
and scared "THEY are coming to get us" nation. If he'd had any vision
or talent as a real leader he would have used that euphoirc feeling to
take us forward but he took the low road and turned us backwards and
all in the name of winning an election to keep him and his cohorts in
power.

He has no real vision or leadership talent at all, but having said
that, the man is probably the BEST politician this country has ever
seen. That is NOT a compliment, but I can't recall anyone who can
fool most of the people most of the time like he can. That ability is
what being a politician is all about. Politicians govern for
themselves and to keep themselves in power and they try to fool us
that they are doing it for us. It's a rare politician who does have
ethics or morals - there are a few I know (even some Liberals) but
they aren't part of the clique.

And the really sad thing about this current government is that their
dirty tricks (which most Australians are incredibly ignorant about)
will have now been learned by Labor, so they might do the same thing
when they get into power. Things like politicis\ing the public
service (check out what's happened with Howards new appointee to the
"independent" Electoral Commission!!!!), changind electoral
boundaries, changidg how things such as unemployment stats and the
shopping basket for the CPI etc are counted. The dirty tricks jsut go
on and on. But it fools most Australians and they are complacently
happy so I guess that is what it's all about. Sigh!

And all that without even thinking of their record of "achievement"!
The lie that REALLY gives me the poops is the one about "the lowest
unemployment in 30 years" - absolute ********! I went back to the
time they made changes to how they counted the figures and the Social
Security changes that went with it and read the papers form that
time - took me a few trips to the library, I can tell you! All they
did was shuffle people off to other forms of counting them for Social
Security so they either wouldn't appear any more in the umemployment
stats, or, if they worked for an hour a week they were condsidered to
be 'employed'. One would have to be a Barrister or a QC to live on
the money from one hours work a week.

And not a peep from the media. Don't these *******s do any research
any more? If I can do it so can they. Must not suit the media owners
to expose the lie.

Roads are looked after by local rates UNLESS it is a major State
highway.

well, yeah.

Why do you think country roads are so shitty? Schools and
hospitals are fuunded from grant to the States from the Federal
Governement and much/most of this revenue is now raised from the
GST.
Since the GST is a comsumption tax, then most rampant consumers
are
the ones who pay. I guess you were thinking of city people being
those rampant consumers?

well not necessarily -

I know, I did have my tongue in my cheek when I wrote that.

based on sheer numbers it's purely a fact that they
contribute (slightly more than) 4/5 of state revenue in nsw. there's
actually many more taxes and similar than gst. gst did away with
precisely
one (1) that i know of, although undoubtedly there were a few more
that i
don't know of. (it's nowhere near as "efficient" etc as was touted -
it's a
mess :-)

It did away with many and it was SUPPOSEFD to do away with many more -
that is part of the ongoing barny between the Sates and the Feds on
State taxes. Costello has been arguing with the States on this issue
for eyars. The stupid Feds introduced the GST on a promise from the
States that they'd do away with many of the other State taxes, but of
course they got the cake before they had to act and now they are
eating it too.

"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
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stuff

so basically this morning, i wrote a reply here to the effect of applause,
but then my little son turned the telly on after being told he was not
allowed, and turning the telly on while the pooty is on makes the pooty go
bung, and i lost it & i'm not writing it again. :-)
(and little ds was _definitely_ not allowed to watch telly after all those
shenanigans.)
kylie

0tterbot wrote:
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message
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stuff

so basically this morning, i wrote a reply here to the effect of applause,
but then my little son turned the telly on after being told he was not
allowed, and turning the telly on while the pooty is on makes the pooty go
bung, and i lost it & i'm not writing it again. :-)
(and little ds was _definitely_ not allowed to watch telly after all those
shenanigans.)
kylie

Er Puty og bunf wen telly switch on.
Plug it in away from the Telly, that is, remover power from that socket
get it elsewhere.
Unless u r using a generator.

In article ,
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

Doctors, hospitals and TAFEs are jsut 3 off the top of my head where I
know services have dropped in standard or failed to keep up.

Unfortunately that is across the state. TAFE lost a huge percentage of its
workforce in cutbacks a few years ago. Then they decentralised it in order to
save more money. Let's see how many years pass before they recentralise to
save more money.

I can't really complain about hospitals as my little local hospy is now going
to be rebuilt (the locals fought for years to keep it from being closed, and
now urban consolidation has rendered it necessary), and Westmead is also being
refurbished.

Short term objectives only seem to be the goal - example: the Feds
ahve wasted the longest economic boom we've had in decades and done
nothing except aima t keeping themselves in powere - no infrastructure
spending and no long term planning or implementation - they're living
on the economic reforms set in place by Labor and yet claiming they've
done a great job economically.

Couldn't agree more. The next recession will be a very ugly one.

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

"Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may
start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled."
Kerry Cue

"Chookie" wrote in
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

Doctors, hospitals and TAFEs are jsut 3 off the top of my head
where I
know services have dropped in standard or failed to keep up.

Unfortunately that is across the state. TAFE lost a huge percentage
of its
workforce in cutbacks a few years ago. Then they decentralised it
in order to
save more money. Let's see how many years pass before they
recentralise to
save more money.

The other thing that I've noticed with TAFEs is that the trend in what
they are offering seems to be downward. By that I mean that it seems
to be more about lifestyle stuff than the good solid old education
they used to offer. That may just be the locally available stuff but
I canstantly keep thinking it's fluff when I look at the courses on
offer.

Short term objectives only seem to be the goal - example: the Feds
ahve wasted the longest economic boom we've had in decades and
done
nothing except aima t keeping themselves in powere - no
infrastructure
spending and no long term planning or implementation - they're
living
on the economic reforms set in place by Labor and yet claiming
they've
done a great job economically.

Couldn't agree more. The next recession will be a very ugly one.

Yes and I suspect it isn't all that far off if one looks at things
like the stats on mortgage defaults etc. Add to that the drought and
rising costs associated with that and things are not going to improve
too qucikly.

In article ,
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:

The other thing that I've noticed with TAFEs is that the trend in what
they are offering seems to be downward. By that I mean that it seems
to be more about lifestyle stuff than the good solid old education
they used to offer. That may just be the locally available stuff but
I canstantly keep thinking it's fluff when I look at the courses on
offer.

Shouldn't be -- they got rid of everything "non-vocational" a while back (that
went to ACE). Odd.

--
Chookie -- Sydney, Australia
(Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply)

"Parenthood is like the modern stone washing process for denim jeans. You may
start out crisp, neat and tough, but you end up pale, limp and wrinkled."
Kerry Cue