"Jonno" wrote in message
"Jock" wrote in message
...
the planet has been warming up since the peak (trough) of the last ice
age -
cashing in on a natural cycle? Who'd a thought?


"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
: Jonno wrote:
:


Then there is this, from our own Dennis Jensen, a scientist, ex CSIRO.
His web page tells it as he sees it....
I believe him to be a socially minded HONEST politician.
http://www.dennisjensen.com.au/

You lost me as soon as I read his site - no substance at all. AND he had Dr
Jennifer Marahasy mentioned - she makes me gag.

I'll bet he didn't attend Dr Mal Washer's Parliament House briefing which he
organised for fellow Liberals on Climate Change. Mal Washer IS one
politician I would call honest and having met so many of them, I don't call
many of them honest.

"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
...
"Jonno" wrote in message
"Jock" wrote in message
...
the planet has been warming up since the peak (trough) of the last ice
age -
cashing in on a natural cycle? Who'd a thought?


"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
: Jonno wrote:
:


Then there is this, from our own Dennis Jensen, a scientist, ex CSIRO.
His web page tells it as he sees it....
I believe him to be a socially minded HONEST politician.
http://www.dennisjensen.com.au/

You lost me as soon as I read his site - no substance at all. AND he had
Dr Jennifer Marahasy mentioned - she makes me gag.

I'll bet he didn't attend Dr Mal Washer's Parliament House briefing which
he organised for fellow Liberals on Climate Change. Mal Washer IS one
politician I would call honest and having met so many of them, I don't
call many of them honest.

Sorry about the people he has contact with.
We all have different opinions
Its not political though, its climate change.
Dennis Jensen appeared on Four corners last night, as a coincidence BTW on
the subject.
As an easy way to see if it is solar heating rather than people influenced
there has been the Ulysses
satellite observations of other planets also getting hotter....Hope your
sound program works...
http://blogs.abc.net.au/nsw/2009/11/...rina_breakfast

"Jonno" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
"Jonno" wrote in message
"Jock" wrote in message
...
the planet has been warming up since the peak (trough) of the last ice
age -
cashing in on a natural cycle? Who'd a thought?


"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
...
: Jonno wrote:
:


Then there is this, from our own Dennis Jensen, a scientist, ex CSIRO.
His web page tells it as he sees it....
I believe him to be a socially minded HONEST politician.
http://www.dennisjensen.com.au/

You lost me as soon as I read his site - no substance at all. AND he had
Dr Jennifer Marahasy mentioned - she makes me gag.

I'll bet he didn't attend Dr Mal Washer's Parliament House briefing which
he organised for fellow Liberals on Climate Change. Mal Washer IS one
politician I would call honest and having met so many of them, I don't
call many of them honest.

Sorry about the people he has contact with.

It's more than just the 'people he has contact with'. I've read Marahasy
for years and she is a climate change sceptic. And as for Jensen being ex
CSIRO, he was only there for 4 years so could have done no long term
research on climate in such a short time. His site makes no contribution to
discussion on climate change, just says he's agin anything put forward. I
don't find that useful at all.

It's a complex subject and I dont' have any Science background to help me
out in understanding it. At best, I rely on real scientists and to me that
precludes many 'scientists' in the US where their research is so often
funded by big business. CSIRO says that humans are involved in climate
change and that it will impact negativley on Oz.
http://www.csiro.au/resources/pfbg.html

I know I've done a lot of travel through various bits of rural NSW and Vic
over recent years and whatever is happening and why is not a pretty picture.
I think our rural areas are pretty well stuffed.

We all have different opinions
Its not political though, its climate change.

Of course it's bloody political if you post claiming to using an HONEST
politician and that post sends people to Jensen (who says nothing) and
Marahasy (who is a sceptic)! All they were doing is presenting a petition.

Dennis Jensen appeared on Four corners last night, as a coincidence BTW
on the subject.

Yes. And that was an interesting show but not for anything it said about
climate change. The real story there was that the Libs are still in
disarray, are still arrogant and need to learn some humility and still seem
to think that they can make promises and change them at will. Their climate
change commitment was only made because they thought they'd lose the
election they clealry thought it could fool enough people into believing the
promise to survive and then they'd rescind the promise post election.
Cynical shits (as are nearly all politicans).

As an easy way to see if it is solar heating rather than people influenced
there has been the Ulysses
satellite observations of other planets also getting hotter....Hope your
sound program works...
http://blogs.abc.net.au/nsw/2009/11/...rina_breakfast

I'll try to listen to it later (if I haven't exceeded download limit in
which case I won't).

It's more than just the 'people he has contact with'. I've read Marahasy
for years and she is a climate change sceptic. And as for Jensen being ex
CSIRO, he was only there for 4 years so could have done no long term
research on climate in such a short time. His site makes no contribution
to discussion on climate change, just says he's agin anything put forward.
I don't find that useful at all.

I would give the CSIRO the beneift of the doubt.


It's a complex subject and I dont' have any Science background to help me
out in understanding it. At best, I rely on real scientists and to me
that precludes many 'scientists' in the US where their research is so
often funded by big business. CSIRO says that humans are involved in
climate change and that it will impact negativley on Oz.
http://www.csiro.au/resources/pfbg.html

I know I've done a lot of travel through various bits of rural NSW and Vic
over recent years and whatever is happening and why is not a pretty
picture. I think our rural areas are pretty well stuffed.
Too many people, too much farmer mis man agent ment created by corporations
squeezing these people on top of a change of climate.
Pollies, in alliance with corporations and their shareholders, in the past
have sold us out, and it happens all the time.

We all have different opinions
Its not political though, its climate change.
My opinion certainly isnt political, I want the damn truth.

Of course it's bloody political if you post claiming to using an HONEST
politician and that post sends people to Jensen (who says nothing) and
Marahasy (who is a sceptic)! All they were doing is presenting a
petition.

Dennis Jensen appeared on Four corners last night, as a coincidence BTW
on the subject.

Yes. And that was an interesting show but not for anything it said about
climate change. The real story there was that the Libs are still in
disarray, are still arrogant and need to learn some humility and still
seem to think that they can make promises and change them at will. Their
climate change commitment was only made because they thought they'd lose
the election they clealry thought it could fool enough people into
believing the promise to survive and then they'd rescind the promise post
election. Cynical shits (as are nearly all politicans).

As an easy way to see if it is solar heating rather than people
influenced there has been the Ulysses
satellite observations of other planets also getting hotter....Hope your
sound program works...
http://blogs.abc.net.au/nsw/2009/11/...rina_breakfast

I'll try to listen to it later (if I haven't exceeded download limit in
which case I won't).
Ok thanks that's a reasonable reply.
The other situation is of course, while the planet may be hotting up, what
is the actual reason?
Al Gore, who seems to be on a nice earner, is also the person involved with
the previous fluorocarbon refrigerants they banned. While the McDonalds foam
burger wrappers, are not
a major concern, they were a big item a while ago, and foam is being used
everywhere these days. What are they using to manufacture that stuff these
days?
Some interesting websites for and against, man made or nature. I found
these in "Silicon Chip" the
electronics magazine.
http://www.infinitebanking.org/BankNotes/2009-08.pdf


http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/04/2...ven-and-earth/

An interesting aside is if the co2 lobby is to be believed, there is
something else we need to understand.
After a certain percentage of CO2 is reached, the greenhouse effect no
longer increases. This CO2 window
in other words creates no more escalation of greenhouse heating.
If we are close to this saturation point, we should have no fears of
increased CO2 production, as it wont affect the climate anymore than at
present.


From this website
http://geoplasma.spaces.live.com/blo...0B2B!592.entry

"The greenhouse effect from CO2 is generally stated as 3°C, so an additional
100ppmv above the 280ppmv level is only capable of generating a maximum 5%
increase or 0.15°C. The forcing parameter is based on a full 0.6°C which is
four times the 0.15°C absolute physical limit of warming from CO2.

Furthermore if this 0.15°C increase has used up the full 5% of the remaining
possible energy as the concentration reached 380ppmv, there is zero warming
possible from further increases in CO2.

This is why the CO2 notch is virtually identical in the two spectra; the CO2
band was virtually saturated at the 325ppmv concentration level, so even
nine times more CO2 has almost no appreciable effect.

Unless all these points can adequately be addressed, the climate models
based on this forcing parameter must be declared invalid, and all work based
on these models as a reference for global warming mitigation must also be
declared invalid. "

Enough said? There is a political problem. Its getting these people to stop
doing to stop screwing the world even more.

FarmI wrote:


I know I've done a lot of travel through various bits of rural NSW
and Vic over recent years and whatever is happening and why is not a
pretty picture. I think our rural areas are pretty well stuffed.


My wife was talking to an old timer (80ish) in the district who was pointing
out that in her memory of the 1930s and in her parents' memory of the 1900s
there were worse droughts and dust storms than in recent years. This
informant went on to say that there was no point in complaining, that you
had to put up with whatever you got, and that the droughts of old showed
there was no climate change. This is by no means an isolated case of this
type.

The old timer is right that there have been bad droughts and duststorms in
the past and that these had nothing to do with climate change. The problem
arrises when you extend this to saying that therefore the droughts and
duststorms now cannot be due to climate change, or conversely since we had
droughts before that were not caused by climate change and we have droughts
now, therefore climate change doesn't exist.

I don't think any scientist is saying that the droughts we have had recently
are simply and solely due to climate change. What they are saying is that
existing climate factors that can bring drought like ENSO are likely to get
more powerful or more frequent. So the first part of the reason for denial
is the confusion between shorter term events like weather, middle term
events like ENSO and the long term.

There is a second part which I believe it is another common origin of
climate change denial in country districts. The way that it works is that
when you are on the land you are taught to be a survivor, to find methods of
coping, to fix the problem if you can and to endure it if you cannot do
anything about it. This is admirable and makes much sense in the
environment. The problem comes when attitudes that go with the philosophy
are extended beyond their useful scope. In learning to be Stoic and to
endure whatever nature throws at you, you are taught not to whinge. To
whinge is a sign of weakness, a sign of a pointless attitude that you wish
the world to be as you desire it and that you are too stupid to accept it as
it really is.

If you blame drought on an external agency like climate change you are
whingeing, blaming somebody or something else instead of taking
responsibility and getting on with the job. If you are a self sufficient
farmer whose pride keeps you going in tough times then emotionally you
cannot blame climate change because that is admitting you cannot cope.
Therefore it doesn't exist. The sad thing is that if they did accept that
something bigger than them was going on and put their coping skills to use
in new ways they would be better off. We may not have time to wait until
younger sons and granddaughters take over with newer attitudes.

These are some observations of part of rural NSW that you might find
interesting. I am not trying to suggest that any of this necessarily
represents you or your situation.

David

"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
FarmI wrote:


I know I've done a lot of travel through various bits of rural NSW
and Vic over recent years and whatever is happening and why is not a
pretty picture. I think our rural areas are pretty well stuffed.


My wife was talking to an old timer (80ish) in the district who was
pointing out that in her memory of the 1930s and in her parents' memory of
the 1900s there were worse droughts and dust storms than in recent years.
This informant went on to say that there was no point in complaining, that
you had to put up with whatever you got, and that the droughts of old
showed there was no climate change. This is by no means an isolated case
of this type.

The old timer is right that there have been bad droughts and duststorms in
the past and that these had nothing to do with climate change. The
problem arrises when you extend this to saying that therefore the droughts
and duststorms now cannot be due to climate change, or conversely since we
had droughts before that were not caused by climate change and we have
droughts now, therefore climate change doesn't exist.

Yep.

I don't think any scientist is saying that the droughts we have had
recently are simply and solely due to climate change. What they are
saying is that existing climate factors that can bring drought like ENSO
are likely to get more powerful or more frequent. So the first part of
the reason for denial is the confusion between shorter term events like
weather, middle term events like ENSO and the long term.

There is a second part which I believe it is another common origin of
climate change denial in country districts. The way that it works is that
when you are on the land you are taught to be a survivor, to find methods
of coping, to fix the problem if you can and to endure it if you cannot do
anything about it. This is admirable and makes much sense in the
environment. The problem comes when attitudes that go with the philosophy
are extended beyond their useful scope. In learning to be Stoic and to
endure whatever nature throws at you, you are taught not to whinge. To
whinge is a sign of weakness, a sign of a pointless attitude that you wish
the world to be as you desire it and that you are too stupid to accept it
as it really is.

If you blame drought on an external agency like climate change you are
whingeing, blaming somebody or something else instead of taking
responsibility and getting on with the job. If you are a self sufficient
farmer whose pride keeps you going in tough times then emotionally you
cannot blame climate change because that is admitting you cannot cope.
Therefore it doesn't exist. The sad thing is that if they did accept that
something bigger than them was going on and put their coping skills to use
in new ways they would be better off. We may not have time to wait
until younger sons and granddaughters take over with newer attitudes.

These are some observations of part of rural NSW that you might find
interesting. I am not trying to suggest that any of this necessarily
represents you or your situation.

Yep. Fits in with the Beyond Blue campaigns etc too. But I also think that
is both a bit overly pessimistic and a bit too global in how some of our
farmers are learning to cope/adapt/innovate. I certainly see where you're
coming from though.

I was a bit glib when I threw in my 'stuffed' comment. I should have made
more effort to explain. As a gardener, I tend to look at growing things and
plants that have died. It's when you see trees that must be hundreds of
years old dieing or dead or in stress that make you wonder what is going on.
These trees have withstood droughts before, have been stressed before and
yet have managed to survive - till now. Isolated trees will die but when
you see huge numbers dead or so far gone that you know thye won't recover,
it rings alarm bells.

I do know that our Fed politicians have been told that the future will bring
much drier conditions to both the south east of Oz and the south west.
That's our food growing areas so not a pretty picture.

FarmI wrote:

There is a second part which I believe it is another common origin of
climate change denial in country districts. The way that it works
is that when you are on the land you are taught to be a survivor, to
find methods of coping, to fix the problem if you can and to endure
it if you cannot do anything about it. This is admirable and makes
much sense in the environment. The problem comes when attitudes
that go with the philosophy are extended beyond their useful scope. In
learning to be Stoic and to endure whatever nature throws at you,
you are taught not to whinge. To whinge is a sign of weakness, a
sign of a pointless attitude that you wish the world to be as you
desire it and that you are too stupid to accept it as it really is.

If you blame drought on an external agency like climate change you
are whingeing, blaming somebody or something else instead of taking
responsibility and getting on with the job. If you are a self
sufficient farmer whose pride keeps you going in tough times then
emotionally you cannot blame climate change because that is
admitting you cannot cope. Therefore it doesn't exist. The sad
thing is that if they did accept that something bigger than them was
going on and put their coping skills to use in new ways they
would be better off. We may not have time to wait until younger
sons and granddaughters take over with newer attitudes. These are some
observations of part of rural NSW that you might find
interesting. I am not trying to suggest that any of this necessarily
represents you or your situation.

Yep. Fits in with the Beyond Blue campaigns etc too. But I also
think that is both a bit overly pessimistic and a bit too global in
how some of our farmers are learning to cope/adapt/innovate. I
certainly see where you're coming from though.


In laying out two ways to get to denial I wasn't suggesting that these
opinions are universal. There are some really thoughtful and flexible
people around who are planning how they are going to deal with longer
droughts, heavier rain events and who are thinking there has to be a better
way to make stuff grow than just pouring on superphosphate.

There are also too many who feel trapped and powerless (for various reasons)
who do themselves harm in a variety of ways, mostly men, including refusing
to see a doctor and self medication with alcohol.

I was a bit glib when I threw in my 'stuffed' comment. I should have
made more effort to explain. As a gardener, I tend to look at
growing things and plants that have died. It's when you see trees
that must be hundreds of years old dieing or dead or in stress that
make you wonder what is going on. These trees have withstood droughts
before, have been stressed before and yet have managed to survive -
till now. Isolated trees will die but when you see huge numbers dead
or so far gone that you know thye won't recover, it rings alarm bells.

Dead trees bother me too.


I do know that our Fed politicians have been told that the future
will bring much drier conditions to both the south east of Oz and the
south west. That's our food growing areas so not a pretty picture.

If I read the figures right the wheat belts, particularly the south west,
are the reason that Oz is a net exporter of food. If those become marginal
the current trend of digging up good farmland in wetter areas to make
suburbs for urban sprawl and to get the coal underneath will need serious
rethinking. It might be better if our fearless leaders thought about this
before it happens.

David

David Hare-Scott wrote:
FarmI wrote:

There is a second part which I believe it is another common origin of
climate change denial in country districts. The way that it works
is that when you are on the land you are taught to be a survivor, to
find methods of coping, to fix the problem if you can and to endure
it if you cannot do anything about it. This is admirable and makes
much sense in the environment. The problem comes when attitudes
that go with the philosophy are extended beyond their useful scope.
In learning to be Stoic and to endure whatever nature throws at you,
you are taught not to whinge. To whinge is a sign of weakness, a
sign of a pointless attitude that you wish the world to be as you
desire it and that you are too stupid to accept it as it really is.

If you blame drought on an external agency like climate change you
are whingeing, blaming somebody or something else instead of taking
responsibility and getting on with the job. If you are a self
sufficient farmer whose pride keeps you going in tough times then
emotionally you cannot blame climate change because that is
admitting you cannot cope. Therefore it doesn't exist. The sad
thing is that if they did accept that something bigger than them was
going on and put their coping skills to use in new ways they
would be better off. We may not have time to wait until younger
sons and granddaughters take over with newer attitudes. These are
some observations of part of rural NSW that you might find
interesting. I am not trying to suggest that any of this necessarily
represents you or your situation.

Yep. Fits in with the Beyond Blue campaigns etc too. But I also
think that is both a bit overly pessimistic and a bit too global in
how some of our farmers are learning to cope/adapt/innovate. I
certainly see where you're coming from though.


In laying out two ways to get to denial I wasn't suggesting that these
opinions are universal. There are some really thoughtful and flexible
people around who are planning how they are going to deal with longer
droughts, heavier rain events and who are thinking there has to be a
better way to make stuff grow than just pouring on superphosphate.

There are also too many who feel trapped and powerless (for various
reasons) who do themselves harm in a variety of ways, mostly men,
including refusing to see a doctor and self medication with alcohol.

Helplessness caused by government inaction on logical methods of
fighting the climate change?
Creating situations where they have to sell out their farms?
Things like huge ocean going milk tankers importing milk into Australia?
I cerainly would self medicate drinking milk either.

I was a bit glib when I threw in my 'stuffed' comment. I should have
made more effort to explain. As a gardener, I tend to look at
growing things and plants that have died. It's when you see trees
that must be hundreds of years old dieing or dead or in stress that
make you wonder what is going on. These trees have withstood droughts
before, have been stressed before and yet have managed to survive -
till now. Isolated trees will die but when you see huge numbers dead
or so far gone that you know thye won't recover, it rings alarm bells.

Dead trees bother me too.


I do know that our Fed politicians have been told that the future
will bring much drier conditions to both the south east of Oz and the
south west. That's our food growing areas so not a pretty picture.

If I read the figures right the wheat belts, particularly the south
west, are the reason that Oz is a net exporter of food. If those become
marginal the current trend of digging up good farmland in wetter areas
to make suburbs for urban sprawl and to get the coal underneath will
need serious rethinking. It might be better if our fearless leaders
thought about this before it happens.

David
This situation of building homes in good farming areas has been seen by
me since I was ten.
As far as pollution goes, these motor companies, when hit by a loss of
revenue, due to increased fuel prices all of a sudden CAN produce much
more fuel efficient petrol motors.
Where is their conscience?
Shouldnt technology be used under all circumstances to improve fuel
consumption, in the same process, creating less pollution?
Me I'm accused of
conspiracy theories, when in fact they are all around in business
circles....
Who is blind to that? Who is running the counytry? Big business, backed
by them PM's get elected, and voters are fooled...

David Hare-Scott wrote:
FarmI wrote:

There is a second part which I believe it is another common origin of
climate change denial in country districts. The way that it works
is that when you are on the land you are taught to be a survivor, to
find methods of coping, to fix the problem if you can and to endure
it if you cannot do anything about it. This is admirable and makes
much sense in the environment. The problem comes when attitudes
that go with the philosophy are extended beyond their useful scope.
In learning to be Stoic and to endure whatever nature throws at you,
you are taught not to whinge. To whinge is a sign of weakness, a
sign of a pointless attitude that you wish the world to be as you
desire it and that you are too stupid to accept it as it really is.

If you blame drought on an external agency like climate change you
are whingeing, blaming somebody or something else instead of taking
responsibility and getting on with the job. If you are a self
sufficient farmer whose pride keeps you going in tough times then
emotionally you cannot blame climate change because that is
admitting you cannot cope. Therefore it doesn't exist. The sad
thing is that if they did accept that something bigger than them was
going on and put their coping skills to use in new ways they
would be better off. We may not have time to wait until younger
sons and granddaughters take over with newer attitudes. These are
some observations of part of rural NSW that you might find
interesting. I am not trying to suggest that any of this necessarily
represents you or your situation.

Yep. Fits in with the Beyond Blue campaigns etc too. But I also
think that is both a bit overly pessimistic and a bit too global in
how some of our farmers are learning to cope/adapt/innovate. I
certainly see where you're coming from though.


In laying out two ways to get to denial I wasn't suggesting that these
opinions are universal. There are some really thoughtful and flexible
people around who are planning how they are going to deal with longer
droughts, heavier rain events and who are thinking there has to be a
better way to make stuff grow than just pouring on superphosphate.

There are also too many who feel trapped and powerless (for various
reasons) who do themselves harm in a variety of ways, mostly men,
including refusing to see a doctor and self medication with alcohol.

Helplessness caused by government inaction on logical methods of
fighting the climate change?
Creating situations where they have to sell out their farms?
Things like huge ocean going milk tankers importing milk into Australia?
I certainly wouldn't self medicate drinking milk either.



I was a bit glib when I threw in my 'stuffed' comment. I should have
made more effort to explain. As a gardener, I tend to look at
growing things and plants that have died. It's when you see trees
that must be hundreds of years old dieing or dead or in stress that
make you wonder what is going on. These trees have withstood droughts
before, have been stressed before and yet have managed to survive -
till now. Isolated trees will die but when you see huge numbers dead
or so far gone that you know thye won't recover, it rings alarm bells.

Dead trees bother me too.


I do know that our Fed politicians have been told that the future
will bring much drier conditions to both the south east of Oz and the
south west. That's our food growing areas so not a pretty picture.

If I read the figures right the wheat belts, particularly the south
west, are the reason that Oz is a net exporter of food. If those become
marginal the current trend of digging up good farmland in wetter areas
to make suburbs for urban sprawl and to get the coal underneath will
need serious rethinking. It might be better if our fearless leaders
thought about this before it happens.

David
This situation of building homes in good farming areas has been seen by
me since I was ten.
As far as pollution goes, these motor companies, when hit by a loss of
revenue, due to increased fuel prices all of a sudden CAN produce much
more fuel efficient petrol motors.
Where is their conscience?
Shouldn't technology be used under all circumstances to improve fuel
consumption, in the same process, creating less pollution? The computer
industry is forced to do so for good reason. So should car makers.

Me I'm accused of creating conspiracy theories, when in fact they are
all around in business circles....
Who is blind to that? Who is running the country? Big business, backed
by them PM's get elected, and voters are fooled...

"David Hare-Scott" Apparently you have never wanted to read this.....
http://www.junkscience.com/

"David Hare-Scott" wrote in message
FarmI wrote:

I do know that our Fed politicians have been told that the future
will bring much drier conditions to both the south east of Oz and the
south west. That's our food growing areas so not a pretty picture.

If I read the figures right the wheat belts, particularly the south west,
are the reason that Oz is a net exporter of food. If those become
marginal the current trend of digging up good farmland in wetter areas to
make suburbs for urban sprawl and to get the coal underneath will need
serious rethinking. It might be better if our fearless leaders thought
about this before it happens.

Sadly they won't given that election cycle and other things. But I do agree
whole heartedly.

Snip
I don't think any scientist is saying that the droughts we have had
recently are simply and solely due to climate change. What they are
saying is that existing climate factors that can bring drought like ENSO
are likely to get more powerful or more frequent. So the first part of
the reason for denial is the confusion between shorter term events like
weather, middle term events like ENSO and the long term.
snip

WTH is ENSO?????

"SG1" wrote in message
...
Snip
I don't think any scientist is saying that the droughts we have had
recently are simply and solely due to climate change. What they are
saying is that existing climate factors that can bring drought like ENSO
are likely to get more powerful or more frequent. So the first part of
the reason for denial is the confusion between shorter term events like
weather, middle term events like ENSO and the long term.
snip

WTH is ENSO?????
Answer: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/

"Jonno" wrote in message
...


"SG1" wrote in message
...
Snip
I don't think any scientist is saying that the droughts we have had
recently are simply and solely due to climate change. What they are
saying is that existing climate factors that can bring drought like ENSO
are likely to get more powerful or more frequent. So the first part of
the reason for denial is the confusion between shorter term events like
weather, middle term events like ENSO and the long term.
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WTH is ENSO?????
Answer: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/
OK thanks for that. Never seen that acronym b4 and spent 29 years with the
BoM. Had it said SOI or similar i would have twigged. But El Ninyo
(pronuciation) b4 it had me stumped. Too long out of the bureau.
Thanks Jim