Hi

today my small collection grew bigger with the
addition of a dwarf Alberta Spruce (Picea glauca
conica).

I have already found some information on the net, but
I would greatly appreciate it if you could email me
more advice and suggestions on this tree.

I am off to continue searching on the net...


regards,
Dimitris.

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The major problem with Alberta spruce is that it has too good a memory! You
can wire its branches to kingdom come, but when you remove the wire, back
they go. The only decent ones I've seen had been trained by removing small
banches, leaving lots of air space betwen the remaining ones.
Marty
P.S. Albertas are susceptible to red spider mites. You can protect them by
hitting the needles with a sharp spray of water on a regualar basis during
summer. M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dimitrios Kalderis"
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:58 AM
Subject: [IBC] Dwarf Alberta Spruce


Hi

today my small collection grew bigger with the
addition of a dwarf Alberta Spruce (Picea glauca
conica).

I have already found some information on the net, but
I would greatly appreciate it if you could email me
more advice and suggestions on this tree.

I am off to continue searching on the net...


regards,
Dimitris.

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The major problem with Alberta spruce is that it has too good a memory! You
can wire its branches to kingdom come, but when you remove the wire, back
they go. The only decent ones I've seen had been trained by removing small
banches, leaving lots of air space betwen the remaining ones.
Marty
P.S. Albertas are susceptible to red spider mites. You can protect them by
hitting the needles with a sharp spray of water on a regualar basis during
summer. M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dimitrios Kalderis"
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:58 AM
Subject: [IBC] Dwarf Alberta Spruce


Hi

today my small collection grew bigger with the
addition of a dwarf Alberta Spruce (Picea glauca
conica).

I have already found some information on the net, but
I would greatly appreciate it if you could email me
more advice and suggestions on this tree.

I am off to continue searching on the net...


regards,
Dimitris.

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A couple of months ago LCBS had Ron Martin come to conduct a
workshop. Ron is a very personable guy, and he shared a number of tips.
One of them was an idea on how to overcome the tendency of some trees to
resist training. (I don't recall whether this was his idea or one he'd
picked up from someone else.) His premise was that these trees are
naturally very flexible, so the bending they receive when wired doesn't
break very much cambium or create many internal "scars". Based upon that
premise, he hypothesized that the introduction of small injuries, like
scoring the underside of the branch with a razor blade, prior to wiring
would yield better training results. He happened to be talking about
Ficus, but I suspect it could apply to others, like your dwarf Alberta
spruce.
Ron's hypothesis sounded plausible to me, and I would like to
suggest that several of you give it a try and see if it works. I figure
it shouldn't hurt and just might work. Just make sure that you do it
somewhere that isn't going to be seen when the tree is later exhibited.

Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Marty Haber
The major problem with Alberta spruce is that it has too good a memory!
You can wire its branches to kingdom come, but when you remove the wire,
back they go. The only decent ones I've seen had been trained by
removing small branches, leaving lots of air space betwen the remaining
ones.
Marty
P.S. Albertas are susceptible to red spider mites. You can protect
them by
hitting the needles with a sharp spray of water on a regualar basis
during
summer. M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dimitrios Kalderis"
Today my small collection grew bigger with the addition of a
dwarf Alberta Spruce (Picea glauca conica).
I have already found some information on the net, but I would
greatly appreciate it if you could email me more advice and suggestions
on this tree.
I am off to continue searching on the net...
Regards,
Dimitris.

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Alan,
Sounds like a great idea.
Many of our alpine and high alpine species are very flexible. They need
multiple wirings to stay put. Their evolution dictates that with wind and
snow load that they bend and stay flexible for survival.
Jerry Meislik
Whitefish Montana USA
Zone 4-5
http://www.bonsaihunk.8m.com/
A couple of months ago LCBS had Ron Martin come to conduct a
workshop. Ron is a very personable guy, and he shared a number of tips.
One of them was an idea on how to overcome the tendency of some trees to
resist training. (I don't recall whether this was his idea or one he'd
picked up from someone else.) His premise was that these trees are
naturally very flexible, so the bending they receive when wired doesn't
break very much cambium or create many internal "scars". Based upon that
premise, he hypothesized that the introduction of small injuries, like
scoring the underside of the branch with a razor blade, prior to wiring
would yield better training results. He happened to be talking about
Ficus, but I suspect it could apply to others, like your dwarf Alberta
spruce.
Ron's hypothesis sounded plausible to me, and I would like to
suggest that several of you give it a try and see if it works. I figure
it shouldn't hurt and just might work. Just make sure that you do it
somewhere that isn't going to be seen when the tree is later exhibited.

Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org

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the other way i've seen it done was by Herb Gustafson, he grew a tree
upside down to get the branches lowered.


--
Peter Kulibert zone 4a/5b




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Hi

today my small collection grew bigger with the
addition of a dwarf Alberta Spruce (Picea glauca
conica).

I have already found some information on the net, but
I would greatly appreciate it if you could email me
more advice and suggestions on this tree.

I am off to continue searching on the net...


regards,
Dimitris.

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