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20-01-2004, 03:43 PM
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[IBC] BONSAI AND POP CULTURE...was...The Spirit of Bonsai Design...
I think we need to find a simpler beginning for young people instead of coming across as old farts that know the only way things need to be done. When my son was 9, we joined a bonsai club. My son had/has some talent and a good eye (he makes his living a
s an ornamental iron worker). He would do cute things, better than some of the older folk. When he was told to stop that and learn to appreciate the rules, he lost interest. He still likes bonsai and will inherit my collection. he does know how to take care of it, beause I taught him slowly. Kitsune Miko Pat Patterson wrote: G'day all... Billy said "...if Bonsai is going to be more popular especially among a younger, more urban population it will need to change and reflect popular culture such as 'The Lord of The Rings...'". I think that "...need to change..." may be a bit strong...how about "expand to include"? But then, I guess expand implies change. Doesn't it? I've heard/read more than recognized bonsai artist say "...listen to your tree...". So, while studying a tree to plan the design, if the tree tells me "...make me look like I came from 'The Lord of The Rings...'", that's what I will attempt. Never would I impose a "Lord of The Rings" look on a tree. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mark Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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20-01-2004, 06:08 PM
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[IBC] BONSAI AND POP CULTURE...was...The Spirit of Bonsai Design...
Well Iīm probably not young any more (27) and I have to admit that Iīm
planning of making an Ent funsai but I donīt think that type of "pop culture" will increase the intrest among young people. There is enough interest in martial arts, japanese culture and just plain bonsai for that to happen. The key word is urban. Most young people live in the city in a flat, with little or no possibility to grow bonsai other then ugly cheap mallsai. Clubs and members need to be better at helping young people out eg offering winterprotection and care for those that only have a balocony. Itīs hell just repotting a tree indoors where you donīt have access to a garden to soil ;-) and a hose. Practical stuff not pop culture will help increase the intrest in bonsai. Henrik Gistvall, Uppsala, Sweden Kitsune Miko wrote: I think we need to find a simpler beginning for young people instead of coming across as old farts that know the only way things need to be done. When my son was 9, we joined a bonsai club. My son had/has some talent and a good eye (he makes his living as an ornamental iron worker). He would do cute things, better than some of the older folk. When he was told to stop that and learn to appreciate the rules, he lost interest. He still likes bonsai and will inherit my collection. he does know how to ta ke care of it, beause I taught him slowly. Kitsune Miko Pat Patterson wrote: G'day all... Billy said "...if Bonsai is going to be more popular especially among a younger, more urban population it will need to change and reflect popular culture such as 'The Lord of The Rings...'". I think that "...need to change..." may be a bit strong...how about "expand to include"? But then, I guess expand implies change. Doesn't it? I've heard/read more than recognized bonsai artist say "...listen to your tree...". So, while studying a tree to plan the design, if the tree tells me "...make me look like I came from 'The Lord of The Rings...'", that's what I will attempt. Never would I impose a "Lord of The Rings" look on a tree. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mark Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mark Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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21-01-2004, 01:12 AM
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[IBC] BONSAI AND POP CULTURE...was...The Spirit of Bonsai Design...
Henrik wrote:
snip Clubs and members need to be better at helping young people out eg offering winterprotection and care for those that only have a balocony. Itīs hell just repotting a tree indoors where you donīt have access to a garden to soil ;-) and a hose. Practical stuff not pop culture will help increase the intrest in bonsai. I think I must respectfully disagree with this to a degree. What I think Henrik describes is what can keep a person involved in bonsai, and enable them to become successful. Having (or not, in my case) a local club was neither an encouragement nor deterrent. I still don't understand where my interest in bonsai originated...I was about an 11 year old boy about 1971, and I just found something tranquil and enchanting about the looks of a "miniature, ancient-looking tree". Maybe it was something like how some people get into the model railroad hobby... Anyway, pop-culture, I don't think is the answer to increasing the general interest in bonsai, since so often, in "pop-culture", something pops into style, and then it pops sometimes even faster right back out of style! Clubs and study-groups and mentors are fantastic for the newly involved or younger person, as a support network, information source, etc. BUt, I think what "inspires"? a person in bonsai, or what occurs when they realize they are interested, is as varied as each person themselves. I know that our friends are exposed to bonsai when they visit, most think it is "neat" but isn't something they themselves feel like getting into. That's okay. I think the main key is increasing awareness to bonsai, if pop-culture can be an aid in this, fine. (On the other hand, besides entering the local fair with a couple trees, trying to get a defunct club back into existence, or putting an add in the paper about a "bonsai study group", I have no great ideas about how to increase that awareness locally). Sam Crowell Klamath Falls, Oregon, USA __________________________________________________ _______________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy...n.asp?cid=3963 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mark Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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21-01-2004, 01:12 AM
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[IBC] BONSAI AND POP CULTURE...was...The Spirit of Bonsai Design...
Henrik wrote:
snip Clubs and members need to be better at helping young people out eg offering winterprotection and care for those that only have a balocony. Itīs hell just repotting a tree indoors where you donīt have access to a garden to soil ;-) and a hose. Practical stuff not pop culture will help increase the intrest in bonsai. I think I must respectfully disagree with this to a degree. What I think Henrik describes is what can keep a person involved in bonsai, and enable them to become successful. Having (or not, in my case) a local club was neither an encouragement nor deterrent. I still don't understand where my interest in bonsai originated...I was about an 11 year old boy about 1971, and I just found something tranquil and enchanting about the looks of a "miniature, ancient-looking tree". Maybe it was something like how some people get into the model railroad hobby... Anyway, pop-culture, I don't think is the answer to increasing the general interest in bonsai, since so often, in "pop-culture", something pops into style, and then it pops sometimes even faster right back out of style! Clubs and study-groups and mentors are fantastic for the newly involved or younger person, as a support network, information source, etc. BUt, I think what "inspires"? a person in bonsai, or what occurs when they realize they are interested, is as varied as each person themselves. I know that our friends are exposed to bonsai when they visit, most think it is "neat" but isn't something they themselves feel like getting into. That's okay. I think the main key is increasing awareness to bonsai, if pop-culture can be an aid in this, fine. (On the other hand, besides entering the local fair with a couple trees, trying to get a defunct club back into existence, or putting an add in the paper about a "bonsai study group", I have no great ideas about how to increase that awareness locally). Sam Crowell Klamath Falls, Oregon, USA __________________________________________________ _______________ Get a FREE online virus check for your PC here, from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy...n.asp?cid=3963 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mark Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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21-01-2004, 03:13 AM
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[IBC] BONSAI AND POP CULTURE...was...The Spirit of Bonsai Design...
Good Night to All,
Sam, Just sharing. my first look at a Bonsai was on the T.V series Space 1999, and then later through a conversation with a more enlightened school friend when I was about maybe 16 years old or so. The encyclopaedia,also had a picture of a pine bonsai. When I started actually trying to grow a tree,I used clay lumps from the backyard,then got a copy of Peter Adams's small early Bonsai book and the in/famous[chuckle]Kamuti. Alongside I bought books on Compost and how to do. Essentially,the mind was receptive and the spirit willing. As an apartment dweller in Florence,Italy,I bought trees and compost from the greenhouses.Where there is interest there is a way. Bonsai/Penjing was never meant to be - popular - nor the fad to do. It is essentially an intellectually appealing interest,when you really get into it.Stirring strong emotions and great joy when working with the hands.Requiring discipline and routine. Any attempt at enticing the very young[of mind] through schemes will probably fail. Some will do it until the day they die.That's just the way it is. So I agree with you. Khaimraj [ West Indies/Caribbean ] * I really tire of well meaning folk who water down everything so crowds will join in.Reminds me of the folk movement in the Roman Catholic church in the 60/70's - a dismal failure. Additionally,as we are taught in Pottery,that there are many ways to skin a cat,and if someone is doing what may seem to be the wrong thing/way and it's working.It's better to help them figure out why and enhance it,than dissuade them. -----Original Message----- From: sam crowell To: Date: 20 January 2004 16:29 Subject: [IBC] BONSAI AND POP CULTURE...was...The Spirit of Bonsai Design... I think I must respectfully disagree with this to a degree. What I think Henrik describes is what can keep a person involved in bonsai, and enable them to become successful. Having (or not, in my case) a local club was neither an encouragement nor deterrent. I still don't understand where my interest in bonsai originated...I was about an 11 year old boy about 1971, and I just found something tranquil and enchanting about the looks of a "miniature, ancient-looking tree". Maybe it was something like how some people get into the model railroad hobby... Anyway, pop-culture, I don't think is the answer to increasing the general interest in bonsai, since so often, in "pop-culture", something pops into style, and then it pops sometimes even faster right back out of style! Clubs and study-groups and mentors are fantastic for the newly involved or younger person, as a support network, information source, etc. BUt, I think what "inspires"? a person in bonsai, or what occurs when they realize they are interested, is as varied as each person themselves. I know that our friends are exposed to bonsai when they visit, most think it is "neat" but isn't something they themselves feel like getting into. That's okay. I think the main key is increasing awareness to bonsai, if pop-culture can be an aid in this, fine. (On the other hand, besides entering the local fair with a couple trees, trying to get a defunct club back into existence, or putting an add in the paper about a "bonsai study group", I have no great ideas about how to increase that awareness locally). Sam Crowell Klamath Falls, Oregon, USA ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mark Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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21-01-2004, 03:14 AM
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[IBC] BONSAI AND POP CULTURE...was...The Spirit of Bonsai Design...
Good Night to All,
Sam, Just sharing. my first look at a Bonsai was on the T.V series Space 1999, and then later through a conversation with a more enlightened school friend when I was about maybe 16 years old or so. The encyclopaedia,also had a picture of a pine bonsai. When I started actually trying to grow a tree,I used clay lumps from the backyard,then got a copy of Peter Adams's small early Bonsai book and the in/famous[chuckle]Kamuti. Alongside I bought books on Compost and how to do. Essentially,the mind was receptive and the spirit willing. As an apartment dweller in Florence,Italy,I bought trees and compost from the greenhouses.Where there is interest there is a way. Bonsai/Penjing was never meant to be - popular - nor the fad to do. It is essentially an intellectually appealing interest,when you really get into it.Stirring strong emotions and great joy when working with the hands.Requiring discipline and routine. Any attempt at enticing the very young[of mind] through schemes will probably fail. Some will do it until the day they die.That's just the way it is. So I agree with you. Khaimraj [ West Indies/Caribbean ] * I really tire of well meaning folk who water down everything so crowds will join in.Reminds me of the folk movement in the Roman Catholic church in the 60/70's - a dismal failure. Additionally,as we are taught in Pottery,that there are many ways to skin a cat,and if someone is doing what may seem to be the wrong thing/way and it's working.It's better to help them figure out why and enhance it,than dissuade them. -----Original Message----- From: sam crowell To: Date: 20 January 2004 16:29 Subject: [IBC] BONSAI AND POP CULTURE...was...The Spirit of Bonsai Design... I think I must respectfully disagree with this to a degree. What I think Henrik describes is what can keep a person involved in bonsai, and enable them to become successful. Having (or not, in my case) a local club was neither an encouragement nor deterrent. I still don't understand where my interest in bonsai originated...I was about an 11 year old boy about 1971, and I just found something tranquil and enchanting about the looks of a "miniature, ancient-looking tree". Maybe it was something like how some people get into the model railroad hobby... Anyway, pop-culture, I don't think is the answer to increasing the general interest in bonsai, since so often, in "pop-culture", something pops into style, and then it pops sometimes even faster right back out of style! Clubs and study-groups and mentors are fantastic for the newly involved or younger person, as a support network, information source, etc. BUt, I think what "inspires"? a person in bonsai, or what occurs when they realize they are interested, is as varied as each person themselves. I know that our friends are exposed to bonsai when they visit, most think it is "neat" but isn't something they themselves feel like getting into. That's okay. I think the main key is increasing awareness to bonsai, if pop-culture can be an aid in this, fine. (On the other hand, besides entering the local fair with a couple trees, trying to get a defunct club back into existence, or putting an add in the paper about a "bonsai study group", I have no great ideas about how to increase that awareness locally). Sam Crowell Klamath Falls, Oregon, USA ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mark Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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21-01-2004, 03:16 AM
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[IBC] BONSAI AND POP CULTURE...was...The Spirit of Bonsai Design...
Good Night to All,
Sam, Just sharing. my first look at a Bonsai was on the T.V series Space 1999, and then later through a conversation with a more enlightened school friend when I was about maybe 16 years old or so. The encyclopaedia,also had a picture of a pine bonsai. When I started actually trying to grow a tree,I used clay lumps from the backyard,then got a copy of Peter Adams's small early Bonsai book and the in/famous[chuckle]Kamuti. Alongside I bought books on Compost and how to do. Essentially,the mind was receptive and the spirit willing. As an apartment dweller in Florence,Italy,I bought trees and compost from the greenhouses.Where there is interest there is a way. Bonsai/Penjing was never meant to be - popular - nor the fad to do. It is essentially an intellectually appealing interest,when you really get into it.Stirring strong emotions and great joy when working with the hands.Requiring discipline and routine. Any attempt at enticing the very young[of mind] through schemes will probably fail. Some will do it until the day they die.That's just the way it is. So I agree with you. Khaimraj [ West Indies/Caribbean ] * I really tire of well meaning folk who water down everything so crowds will join in.Reminds me of the folk movement in the Roman Catholic church in the 60/70's - a dismal failure. Additionally,as we are taught in Pottery,that there are many ways to skin a cat,and if someone is doing what may seem to be the wrong thing/way and it's working.It's better to help them figure out why and enhance it,than dissuade them. -----Original Message----- From: sam crowell To: Date: 20 January 2004 16:29 Subject: [IBC] BONSAI AND POP CULTURE...was...The Spirit of Bonsai Design... I think I must respectfully disagree with this to a degree. What I think Henrik describes is what can keep a person involved in bonsai, and enable them to become successful. Having (or not, in my case) a local club was neither an encouragement nor deterrent. I still don't understand where my interest in bonsai originated...I was about an 11 year old boy about 1971, and I just found something tranquil and enchanting about the looks of a "miniature, ancient-looking tree". Maybe it was something like how some people get into the model railroad hobby... Anyway, pop-culture, I don't think is the answer to increasing the general interest in bonsai, since so often, in "pop-culture", something pops into style, and then it pops sometimes even faster right back out of style! Clubs and study-groups and mentors are fantastic for the newly involved or younger person, as a support network, information source, etc. BUt, I think what "inspires"? a person in bonsai, or what occurs when they realize they are interested, is as varied as each person themselves. I know that our friends are exposed to bonsai when they visit, most think it is "neat" but isn't something they themselves feel like getting into. That's okay. I think the main key is increasing awareness to bonsai, if pop-culture can be an aid in this, fine. (On the other hand, besides entering the local fair with a couple trees, trying to get a defunct club back into existence, or putting an add in the paper about a "bonsai study group", I have no great ideas about how to increase that awareness locally). Sam Crowell Klamath Falls, Oregon, USA ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mark Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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21-01-2004, 03:16 AM
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[IBC] BONSAI AND POP CULTURE...was...The Spirit of Bonsai Design...
Good Night to All,
Sam, Just sharing. my first look at a Bonsai was on the T.V series Space 1999, and then later through a conversation with a more enlightened school friend when I was about maybe 16 years old or so. The encyclopaedia,also had a picture of a pine bonsai. When I started actually trying to grow a tree,I used clay lumps from the backyard,then got a copy of Peter Adams's small early Bonsai book and the in/famous[chuckle]Kamuti. Alongside I bought books on Compost and how to do. Essentially,the mind was receptive and the spirit willing. As an apartment dweller in Florence,Italy,I bought trees and compost from the greenhouses.Where there is interest there is a way. Bonsai/Penjing was never meant to be - popular - nor the fad to do. It is essentially an intellectually appealing interest,when you really get into it.Stirring strong emotions and great joy when working with the hands.Requiring discipline and routine. Any attempt at enticing the very young[of mind] through schemes will probably fail. Some will do it until the day they die.That's just the way it is. So I agree with you. Khaimraj [ West Indies/Caribbean ] * I really tire of well meaning folk who water down everything so crowds will join in.Reminds me of the folk movement in the Roman Catholic church in the 60/70's - a dismal failure. Additionally,as we are taught in Pottery,that there are many ways to skin a cat,and if someone is doing what may seem to be the wrong thing/way and it's working.It's better to help them figure out why and enhance it,than dissuade them. -----Original Message----- From: sam crowell To: Date: 20 January 2004 16:29 Subject: [IBC] BONSAI AND POP CULTURE...was...The Spirit of Bonsai Design... I think I must respectfully disagree with this to a degree. What I think Henrik describes is what can keep a person involved in bonsai, and enable them to become successful. Having (or not, in my case) a local club was neither an encouragement nor deterrent. I still don't understand where my interest in bonsai originated...I was about an 11 year old boy about 1971, and I just found something tranquil and enchanting about the looks of a "miniature, ancient-looking tree". Maybe it was something like how some people get into the model railroad hobby... Anyway, pop-culture, I don't think is the answer to increasing the general interest in bonsai, since so often, in "pop-culture", something pops into style, and then it pops sometimes even faster right back out of style! Clubs and study-groups and mentors are fantastic for the newly involved or younger person, as a support network, information source, etc. BUt, I think what "inspires"? a person in bonsai, or what occurs when they realize they are interested, is as varied as each person themselves. I know that our friends are exposed to bonsai when they visit, most think it is "neat" but isn't something they themselves feel like getting into. That's okay. I think the main key is increasing awareness to bonsai, if pop-culture can be an aid in this, fine. (On the other hand, besides entering the local fair with a couple trees, trying to get a defunct club back into existence, or putting an add in the paper about a "bonsai study group", I have no great ideas about how to increase that awareness locally). Sam Crowell Klamath Falls, Oregon, USA ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mark Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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21-01-2004, 03:16 AM
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[IBC] BONSAI AND POP CULTURE...was...The Spirit of Bonsai Design...
Good Night to All,
Sam, Just sharing. my first look at a Bonsai was on the T.V series Space 1999, and then later through a conversation with a more enlightened school friend when I was about maybe 16 years old or so. The encyclopaedia,also had a picture of a pine bonsai. When I started actually trying to grow a tree,I used clay lumps from the backyard,then got a copy of Peter Adams's small early Bonsai book and the in/famous[chuckle]Kamuti. Alongside I bought books on Compost and how to do. Essentially,the mind was receptive and the spirit willing. As an apartment dweller in Florence,Italy,I bought trees and compost from the greenhouses.Where there is interest there is a way. Bonsai/Penjing was never meant to be - popular - nor the fad to do. It is essentially an intellectually appealing interest,when you really get into it.Stirring strong emotions and great joy when working with the hands.Requiring discipline and routine. Any attempt at enticing the very young[of mind] through schemes will probably fail. Some will do it until the day they die.That's just the way it is. So I agree with you. Khaimraj [ West Indies/Caribbean ] * I really tire of well meaning folk who water down everything so crowds will join in.Reminds me of the folk movement in the Roman Catholic church in the 60/70's - a dismal failure. Additionally,as we are taught in Pottery,that there are many ways to skin a cat,and if someone is doing what may seem to be the wrong thing/way and it's working.It's better to help them figure out why and enhance it,than dissuade them. -----Original Message----- From: sam crowell To: Date: 20 January 2004 16:29 Subject: [IBC] BONSAI AND POP CULTURE...was...The Spirit of Bonsai Design... I think I must respectfully disagree with this to a degree. What I think Henrik describes is what can keep a person involved in bonsai, and enable them to become successful. Having (or not, in my case) a local club was neither an encouragement nor deterrent. I still don't understand where my interest in bonsai originated...I was about an 11 year old boy about 1971, and I just found something tranquil and enchanting about the looks of a "miniature, ancient-looking tree". Maybe it was something like how some people get into the model railroad hobby... Anyway, pop-culture, I don't think is the answer to increasing the general interest in bonsai, since so often, in "pop-culture", something pops into style, and then it pops sometimes even faster right back out of style! Clubs and study-groups and mentors are fantastic for the newly involved or younger person, as a support network, information source, etc. BUt, I think what "inspires"? a person in bonsai, or what occurs when they realize they are interested, is as varied as each person themselves. I know that our friends are exposed to bonsai when they visit, most think it is "neat" but isn't something they themselves feel like getting into. That's okay. I think the main key is increasing awareness to bonsai, if pop-culture can be an aid in this, fine. (On the other hand, besides entering the local fair with a couple trees, trying to get a defunct club back into existence, or putting an add in the paper about a "bonsai study group", I have no great ideas about how to increase that awareness locally). Sam Crowell Klamath Falls, Oregon, USA ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Mark Zimmerman++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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