I would love, for example, to get a
couple of JBPs. However, I can't afford anything really old and I'm not yet
patient enough to wait for 20 years for the thing to get thicker than a
pencil.

Well, how about a JWP? I bought a gallon-sized one in 1996 (for about $30), and it's beginning to look a bit like a bonsai now.

Here's a question that Colin Lewis, consultant to the Arnold Arboretum collection, ought to answer: Would a growth retardant be any use in a "finished" bonsai? Some of the Arnold trees, mishandled for many years, have no latitude for further growth. The
Chamaecyparises in the collection, since they don't bud back, are in an end game, and it's difficult to imagine how to fix them (although Colin is doing a splendid job).

Nina, who has no finished bonsai, just big fat overgrown potensai.

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Well, how about a JWP? I bought a gallon-sized one in 1996 (for about $30),
and it's beginning to look a bit like a bonsai now.

Nina - I'd love one that size. I have a couple, but both were probably 2 yr
old seedlings when I got them; so I've got some waiting to do for them. I
never see gallon sized ones for sale - only really old, large expensive ones
or little bitty ones like I have. I know Brent Walston sells them, but then
I'd pay as much for shipping as for the tree! Where did you get yours?

Jeff Isom
Cleveland, OH / Sunset Zone 39

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I would love, for example, to get a
couple of JBPs. However, I can't afford anything really old and I'm not yet
patient enough to wait for 20 years for the thing to get thicker than a
pencil.

Well, how about a JWP? I bought a gallon-sized one in 1996 (for about $30), and it's beginning to look a bit like a bonsai now.

Here's a question that Colin Lewis, consultant to the Arnold Arboretum collection, ought to answer: Would a growth retardant be any use in a "finished" bonsai? Some of the Arnold trees, mishandled for many years, have no latitude for further growth. The
Chamaecyparises in the collection, since they don't bud back, are in an end game, and it's difficult to imagine how to fix them (although Colin is doing a splendid job).

Nina, who has no finished bonsai, just big fat overgrown potensai.

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I would love, for example, to get a
couple of JBPs. However, I can't afford anything really old and I'm not yet
patient enough to wait for 20 years for the thing to get thicker than a
pencil.

Well, how about a JWP? I bought a gallon-sized one in 1996 (for about $30), and it's beginning to look a bit like a bonsai now.

Here's a question that Colin Lewis, consultant to the Arnold Arboretum collection, ought to answer: Would a growth retardant be any use in a "finished" bonsai? Some of the Arnold trees, mishandled for many years, have no latitude for further growth. The
Chamaecyparises in the collection, since they don't bud back, are in an end game, and it's difficult to imagine how to fix them (although Colin is doing a splendid job).

Nina, who has no finished bonsai, just big fat overgrown potensai.

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Xref: kermit rec.arts.bonsai:71807

Well, how about a JWP? I bought a gallon-sized one in 1996 (for about $30),
and it's beginning to look a bit like a bonsai now.

Nina - I'd love one that size. I have a couple, but both were probably 2 yr
old seedlings when I got them; so I've got some waiting to do for them. I
never see gallon sized ones for sale - only really old, large expensive ones
or little bitty ones like I have. I know Brent Walston sells them, but then
I'd pay as much for shipping as for the tree! Where did you get yours?

Jeff Isom
Cleveland, OH / Sunset Zone 39

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Isom, Jeff (EM, PTL)"
Subject: [IBC] Fw: growth retardant
Where did you get yours?

Jeff Isom
Cleveland, OH / Sunset Zone 39

Jeff,
If you are looking for sources of trees, and live in Cleveland, there are
twoSYMPOSIUMS you should attend every year. The first is the MidAtlantic
symposium in New Jersey, it's April 16-18 ( You'll probably meet Nina there
also and you can talk about growth retardents, fungus and crispy junipers!
:) )
and the second is Bill Valavanis' International Bonsai Arboretum symposium
in Rochester, NY in Sept.
Both aree excellent deals for the $$. Check your computer search for all
you need to know.

Bonsai Shows w/vendors ( and demo's) not too far:
Chicago show in August at the Arboretum
Potomac Bonsai Association show in Wash. DC on April 30, May 1&2 this year
at the National Bonsai Museum.
Regards,
Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio
http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com
Specializing in power wood carving tools.
Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Isom, Jeff (EM, PTL)"
Subject: [IBC] Fw: growth retardant
Where did you get yours?

Jeff Isom
Cleveland, OH / Sunset Zone 39

Jeff,
If you are looking for sources of trees, and live in Cleveland, there are
twoSYMPOSIUMS you should attend every year. The first is the MidAtlantic
symposium in New Jersey, it's April 16-18 ( You'll probably meet Nina there
also and you can talk about growth retardents, fungus and crispy junipers!
:) )
and the second is Bill Valavanis' International Bonsai Arboretum symposium
in Rochester, NY in Sept.
Both aree excellent deals for the $$. Check your computer search for all
you need to know.

Bonsai Shows w/vendors ( and demo's) not too far:
Chicago show in August at the Arboretum
Potomac Bonsai Association show in Wash. DC on April 30, May 1&2 this year
at the National Bonsai Museum.
Regards,
Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio
http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com
Specializing in power wood carving tools.
Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Isom, Jeff (EM, PTL)"
Subject: [IBC] Fw: growth retardant
Where did you get yours?

Jeff Isom
Cleveland, OH / Sunset Zone 39

Jeff,
If you are looking for sources of trees, and live in Cleveland, there are
twoSYMPOSIUMS you should attend every year. The first is the MidAtlantic
symposium in New Jersey, it's April 16-18 ( You'll probably meet Nina there
also and you can talk about growth retardents, fungus and crispy junipers!
:) )
and the second is Bill Valavanis' International Bonsai Arboretum symposium
in Rochester, NY in Sept.
Both aree excellent deals for the $$. Check your computer search for all
you need to know.

Bonsai Shows w/vendors ( and demo's) not too far:
Chicago show in August at the Arboretum
Potomac Bonsai Association show in Wash. DC on April 30, May 1&2 this year
at the National Bonsai Museum.
Regards,
Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio
http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com
Specializing in power wood carving tools.
Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Isom, Jeff (EM, PTL)"
Subject: [IBC] Fw: growth retardant
Where did you get yours?

Jeff Isom
Cleveland, OH / Sunset Zone 39

Jeff,
If you are looking for sources of trees, and live in Cleveland, there are
twoSYMPOSIUMS you should attend every year. The first is the MidAtlantic
symposium in New Jersey, it's April 16-18 ( You'll probably meet Nina there
also and you can talk about growth retardents, fungus and crispy junipers!
:) )
and the second is Bill Valavanis' International Bonsai Arboretum symposium
in Rochester, NY in Sept.
Both aree excellent deals for the $$. Check your computer search for all
you need to know.

Bonsai Shows w/vendors ( and demo's) not too far:
Chicago show in August at the Arboretum
Potomac Bonsai Association show in Wash. DC on April 30, May 1&2 this year
at the National Bonsai Museum.
Regards,
Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio
http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com
Specializing in power wood carving tools.
Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Isom, Jeff (EM, PTL)"
Subject: [IBC] Fw: growth retardant
Where did you get yours?

Jeff Isom
Cleveland, OH / Sunset Zone 39

Jeff,
If you are looking for sources of trees, and live in Cleveland, there are
twoSYMPOSIUMS you should attend every year. The first is the MidAtlantic
symposium in New Jersey, it's April 16-18 ( You'll probably meet Nina there
also and you can talk about growth retardents, fungus and crispy junipers!
:) )
and the second is Bill Valavanis' International Bonsai Arboretum symposium
in Rochester, NY in Sept.
Both aree excellent deals for the $$. Check your computer search for all
you need to know.

Bonsai Shows w/vendors ( and demo's) not too far:
Chicago show in August at the Arboretum
Potomac Bonsai Association show in Wash. DC on April 30, May 1&2 this year
at the National Bonsai Museum.
Regards,
Dale Cochoy, Wild Things Bonsai Studio, Hartville, Ohio
http://www.WildThingsBonsai.Com
Specializing in power wood carving tools.
Yakimono no Kokoro bonsai pottery of hand-built stoneware.

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Good Day to All,
Nina,

if your jinning or along those lines,matured wood with
a resinous species works best.Or your up the plastic
resin path.Both work.

If your looking for trunk proportions of x to pot,then some
time in the ground would be helpful.If it grows faster in the
ground that's great.

If your at the finished stage,slowed growth for a year or
two allows display.Then you would have to let it get hairy
for the tree's own health.You can then whip out the photos
and speak well of memories.chuckle.

I guess it's a matter of applying the appropriate practice
at the right time.
Working with Nature.

Of course you had my opinion on the Privet and even a
shallow pot does nothing to slow down the growth on this
little beastie.Still I love em.
This one you rush the Bonsai-ites over to look at for 2 weeks
then speak only of fond memories.

For me this is the occupational hazard of growing Bonsai/Penjing
and I take it in stride.
Of course re-potting some mame' three to four times a year
takes some getting used to.
Stay especially well,Nina,
Stay Well All,
or as Anita says
GROW WELL !!!
Love it.
Khaimraj
[ West Indies/ Caribbean]


-----Original Message-----
From: Nina Shishkoff
To:
Date: 22 January 2004 6:31
Subject: [IBC] Fw: growth retardant


Hey, it's my turn to be stupid for three minutes: bonsai masters, is it
really slow growth that we want in bonsai? In my experience (15 years of
being a newbie!), the fast growing trees are the ones you can really train.
Slow growing ones (like my mountain hemlock), I had to simply try not to
ruin too much. So I'm thinking that a growth retardant isn't very useful in
bonsai. Whatcha think?

Nina

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