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26-07-2004, 08:02 PM
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[IBC] Root growing from cuttings
I'm having trouble growing roots from hardwood cuttings. I bought a gel
root stimulator and dipped the cuttings in it and put them in a growing medium. I kept them moist but they havent grown any roots and the've dried out and blakened. Should I leave cuttings in the gel for 24 hours and then put them in dirt?..or what should I do? Also, which root stimulators are better, the liquid ones or powder ones? ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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26-07-2004, 10:02 PM
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[IBC] Root growing from cuttings
I have experience using the gel, but it was not used on root cutting. It was used to jumpstart Korean Hornbeams, which were bare-rooted and shipped to the US.
I would say that 70 percent of the trees made it, but I cannot attribute it solely to the Root2 Gel. It seems to have made a difference, but we did not set up a controlled experiment. Cordially, Michael Persiano members.aol.com/iasnob In a message dated 7/26/2004 2:14:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dan Voicu writes: I'm having trouble growing roots from hardwood cuttings. I bought a gel root stimulator and dipped the cuttings in it and put them in a growing medium. I kept them moist but they havent grown any roots and the've dried out and blakened. Should I leave cuttings in the gel for 24 hours and then put them in dirt?..or what should I do? Also, which root stimulators are better, the liquid ones or powder ones? ************************************************* ******************************* ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************* ******************************* -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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27-07-2004, 12:06 AM
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[IBC] Root growing from cuttings
At 02:14 PM 7/26/04 -0400, Dan wrote:
I'm having trouble growing roots from hardwood cuttings. I bought a gel root stimulator and dipped the cuttings in it and put them in a growing medium. I kept them moist but they havent grown any roots and the've dried out and blakened. Should I leave cuttings in the gel for 24 hours and then put them in dirt?..or what should I do? Also, which root stimulators are better, the liquid ones or powder ones? I doubt the problem is the hormone gel, but it is possible. Look at the IBA content on the label. If it is less then 0.1%, it is pretty much useless. Most hardwood and semi hardwood cuttings require anywhere from 0.1% to 3% IBA, it depends on the species. It is more likely that your setup is not adequate for keeping the cuttings moist enough. There is a good deal of art as well as science to getting cuttings to root. Rather than go into all the factors here, let me point you to an article at my website on the subject. If you have questions about specific species, you can post again: http://www.evergreengardenworks.com/cuttings.htm Brent in Northern California Evergreen Gardenworks USDA Zone 8 Sunset Zone 14 http://www.EvergreenGardenworks.com ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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27-07-2004, 12:06 AM
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[IBC] Root growing from cuttings
Sorry that web site should be
www.ifas.ufl.edu Then put in the search box the species you are interested in. Billy on the Florida Space Coast BSF Annual Convention July 1 - 4, 2005 Radisson Hotel, Cape Canaveral, Florida Workshops with Jerry Meislik of Whitefish, Montana, Chase Rosade of New Hope, PA, and Ben Oki of California. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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27-07-2004, 03:04 PM
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[IBC] Root growing from cuttings
Well, the cuttings I'm trying to grow roots on are oak. White oak and
black oak I thing they are. I tried growing maple by root stimulation from cuttings but with no luck. However the only luck I've had has bin with willow. The willow cuttings grew roots after about 2 weeks. I don't know if it was because of the gel or because willows( I've read) are very easy to propagate. I also read that cuttings should be taken in winter, but can also be taken in mid summer. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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27-07-2004, 04:55 PM
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[IBC] Root growing from cuttings
At 09:12 AM 7/27/04 -0400, you wrote:
Well, the cuttings I'm trying to grow roots on are oak. White oak and black oak I thing they are. I tried growing maple by root stimulation from cuttings but with no luck. However the only luck I've had has bin with willow. The willow cuttings grew roots after about 2 weeks. I don't know if it was because of the gel or because willows( I've read) are very easy to propagate. I also read that cuttings should be taken in winter, but can also be taken in mid summer. Dan Oaks are extremely difficult to root from cuttings, better leave those for experts and grow them from seed (acorns) which is very easy. Some maples are easy, others difficult, it depends on the species. Semi hardwood cuttings in summer is the preferred method for most cuttings these days. This is explained in the Cuttings article that I pointed out to you. Willows don't need hormone at all. Most maples require a fairly high IBA content, but again it varies with the species. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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27-07-2004, 06:08 PM
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[IBC] Root growing from cuttings
At 09:12 AM 7/27/04 -0400, you wrote:
Well, the cuttings I'm trying to grow roots on are oak. White oak and black oak I thing they are. I tried growing maple by root stimulation from cuttings but with no luck. However the only luck I've had has bin with willow. The willow cuttings grew roots after about 2 weeks. I don't know if it was because of the gel or because willows( I've read) are very easy to propagate. I also read that cuttings should be taken in winter, but can also be taken in mid summer. Dan Oaks are extremely difficult to root from cuttings, better leave those for experts and grow them from seed (acorns) which is very easy. Some maples are easy, others difficult, it depends on the species. Semi hardwood cuttings in summer is the preferred method for most cuttings these days. This is explained in the Cuttings article that I pointed out to you. Willows don't need hormone at all. Most maples require a fairly high IBA content, but again it varies with the species. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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27-07-2004, 05:22 PM
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[IBC] Root growing from cuttings
I have found that the plants with tighter internodes
seem to be easier to root than others. I can root kotohime maples with extreme ease, other maples not as well. On bottom heat: This is tricky and can sometimes kill rather than stimulate a plant. I use manure and sawdust to create heat in the bottom of the rooting container. This means you have to have a deeper container than usual because you do not want the new roots to hit the manure, the cuttings will get fertilizer burn and die. I am using recycled styrofoam cold chests with holes in the bottom, sawdust, manure, sawdust layers, then my pearlite. The contaners are about 8 to 10 inches in depth. With this system, I do not allow cuttings to harden off in the cutting bin, I transplant earlier. With this system and a mini green house that gets misted only twice a day, I have been rooting many more things this year. The other was containers on hot concrete with transulecent palastic lids, sort of a mini terrarum effect. This needed more tending and hand watering than I had time to do, but I had quicker rooting becasue of the heat. More maintenace but no inflated electric bill. Kitsune Miko --- Brent Walston wrote: At 09:12 AM 7/27/04 -0400, you wrote: Oaks are extremely difficult to root from cuttings, better leave those for experts and grow them from seed (acorns) which is very easy. Some maples are easy, others difficult, it depends on the species. Semi hardwood cuttings in summer is the preferred method for most cuttings these days. This is explained in the Cuttings article that I pointed out to you. Willows don't need hormone at all. Most maples require a fairly high IBA content, but again it varies with the species. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ===== **** "Expectations are resentments under construction." Anne Lamott ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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27-07-2004, 06:08 PM
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[IBC] Root growing from cuttings
I have found that the plants with tighter internodes
seem to be easier to root than others. I can root kotohime maples with extreme ease, other maples not as well. On bottom heat: This is tricky and can sometimes kill rather than stimulate a plant. I use manure and sawdust to create heat in the bottom of the rooting container. This means you have to have a deeper container than usual because you do not want the new roots to hit the manure, the cuttings will get fertilizer burn and die. I am using recycled styrofoam cold chests with holes in the bottom, sawdust, manure, sawdust layers, then my pearlite. The contaners are about 8 to 10 inches in depth. With this system, I do not allow cuttings to harden off in the cutting bin, I transplant earlier. With this system and a mini green house that gets misted only twice a day, I have been rooting many more things this year. The other was containers on hot concrete with transulecent palastic lids, sort of a mini terrarum effect. This needed more tending and hand watering than I had time to do, but I had quicker rooting becasue of the heat. More maintenace but no inflated electric bill. Kitsune Miko --- Brent Walston wrote: At 09:12 AM 7/27/04 -0400, you wrote: Oaks are extremely difficult to root from cuttings, better leave those for experts and grow them from seed (acorns) which is very easy. Some maples are easy, others difficult, it depends on the species. Semi hardwood cuttings in summer is the preferred method for most cuttings these days. This is explained in the Cuttings article that I pointed out to you. Willows don't need hormone at all. Most maples require a fairly high IBA content, but again it varies with the species. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ===== **** "Expectations are resentments under construction." Anne Lamott ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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27-07-2004, 08:02 PM
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[IBC] Root growing from cuttings
Well, the cuttings I'm trying to grow roots on are oak. White
oak and black oak I thing they are. I tried growing maple by root stimulation from cuttings but with no luck. However the only luck I've had has bin with willow. The willow cuttings grew roots after about 2 weeks. I don't know if it was because of the gel or because willows( I've read) are very easy to propagate. I also read that cuttings should be taken in winter, but can also be taken in mid summer. I think you will find the oaks to be very difficult to root. Maples -- depending on the species -- are fairly easy, and as you noted willow roots easily. Read Brent's article on rooting as suggested earlier. Jim Lewis - - Tallahassee, FL - Only where people have learned to appreciate and cherish the landscape and its living cover will they treat it with the care and respect it should have - Paul Bigelow Sears. ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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27-07-2004, 09:06 PM
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[IBC] Root growing from cuttings
I have no experience with Oak cuttings. I do all mine from Acorns - very
easy. Maple shouldn't be too difficult. Again it does depend on the type. Follow the detailed advice given in good books and provide the correct conditions of shade, mist and warmth at the right time of year for the type of cutting. You should usually achieve a good success rate. Willow can be rooted with almost 100% success in a bucket of water! Hardwood generally in winter, outdoors in slit trenches. Soft and semi hard-wood generally in july/august. Cheers Kev Bailey Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales Well, the cuttings I'm trying to grow roots on are oak. White oak and black oak I thing they are. I tried growing maple by root stimulation from cuttings but with no luck. However the only luck I've had has bin with willow. The willow cuttings grew roots after about 2 weeks. I don't know if it was because of the gel or because willows( I've read) are very easy to propagate. I also read that cuttings should be taken in winter, but can also be taken in mid summer. ************************************************** ********************** ******** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ********************** ******** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 26/07/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 26/07/2004 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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27-07-2004, 11:02 PM
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[IBC] Root growing from cuttings
In a message dated 7/27/2004 3:44:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
writes: I have no experience with Oak cuttings. I have never seen a successful rooting of an Oak cutting. I have rooted Japanese Maples. I have grown both from seed with ease. Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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27-07-2004, 11:03 PM
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[IBC] Root growing from cuttings
There was a rumor that if one tried to airlayer oak,
let the airlayer calus, then one had hopes of getting roots if the arilayer was cut off and treated as a cutting. I never got it to work. Kitsune Miko --- "Billy M. Rhodes" wrote: In a message dated 7/27/2004 3:44:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: I have no experience with Oak cuttings. I have never seen a successful rooting of an Oak cutting. I have rooted Japanese Maples. I have grown both from seed with ease. Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ===== **** "Expectations are resentments under construction." Anne Lamott ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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28-07-2004, 12:03 AM
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[IBC] Root growing from cuttings
Our chairman ground layered an oak with a split bucket. It took two
years and is now a show-stopper. It won best in show at the National Society (Southport) 2001 (I think). Cheers Kev Bailey Vale Of Clwyd, North Wales -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of Kitsune Miko Sent: 27 July 2004 22:21 To: Subject: [IBC] Root growing from cuttings There was a rumor that if one tried to airlayer oak, let the airlayer calus, then one had hopes of getting roots if the arilayer was cut off and treated as a cutting. I never got it to work. Kitsune Miko --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 26/07/2004 ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Chris Cochrane++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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