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Old 17-11-2004, 04:43 AM
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There are some potential problems with having your trees that are in the
power line right-of-way pruned by your own arborist. One is that your
arborist may end up working close to the power lines, which is dangerous --
especially if they aren't properly trained, and the utilities, as well as
state industrial insurance departments, generally discourage such things.
Another consideration is that if your contractor doesn't trim your trees
near the lines to the utilities specifications, their contractors will just
trim the trees again anyway when they come through the area. At least that
is what would happen here. Some utilities may be more lax.

One bright spot -- as Alan notes, most of the utilities are training their
contractors in proper pruning practices these days, so even if they leave
the trees looking bad, at least their health is maintained.

Regards,
Roger Snipes
Spokane Wa. Zone 5, or maybe 6, depending on who you believe.

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Subject: [IBC] It's Power Line tree trimming time again.


Having gone nearly a week without power after a January
ice storm a few years ago, I appreciate the need to prune trees
away from power lines. And Asplundh is all over the place this
month pruning away. They are doing a better job the last few
years than they used to do. My arborist, who is an honest to god
tree freak, landed a contract to train them in proper pruning
techniques. Yes, they still leave trees looking aesthetically
perverse, pretty much like Roger describes, but they now respect
the branch collars and such, leaving the trees with a much better
chance of thriving afterwards.
The key to keeping them from butchering your own trees is
to have it done at your own expense before they get to your
neighborhood. You don't have to do this every year; probably once
every ten years will do. That way you can choose an arborist who
is accountable to you and your tastes.

Alan Walker
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Old 17-11-2004, 05:18 AM
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I don't know about your state, Roger, but Louisiana arborists are
required to be licensed. Part of the requirements for licensing
is that they know and be trained about such things as working
around power lines and how to prune a tree so that it will meet
power company specifications. That's why I said arborist and not
just a tree trimmer which can be any old hack with a chainsaw
operating illegally.

Alan Walker
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From: Roger Snipes ]

There are some potential problems with having your trees that are
in the
power line right-of-way pruned by your own arborist. One is that
your
arborist may end up working close to the power lines, which is
dangerous -- especially if they aren't properly trained, and the
utilities, as well as
state industrial insurance departments, generally discourage such
things.
Another consideration is that if your contractor doesn't trim
your trees
near the lines to the utilities specifications, their contractors
will just
trim the trees again anyway when they come through the area. At
least that is what would happen here. Some utilities may be more
lax.

One bright spot -- as Alan notes, most of the utilities are
training their
contractors in proper pruning practices these days, so even if
they leave
the trees looking bad, at least their health is maintained.

Regards,
Roger Snipes
Spokane Wa. Zone 5, or maybe 6, depending on who you believe.

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From: "Alan Walker"

Having gone nearly a week without power after a January
ice storm a few years ago, I appreciate the need to prune trees
away from power lines. And Asplundh is all over the place this
month pruning away. They are doing a better job the last few
years than they used to do. My arborist, who is an honest to god
tree freak, landed a contract to train them in proper pruning
techniques. Yes, they still leave trees looking aesthetically
perverse, pretty much like Roger describes, but they now respect
the branch collars and such, leaving the trees with a much better
chance of thriving afterwards.
The key to keeping them from butchering your own trees is
to have it done at your own expense before they get to your
neighborhood. You don't have to do this every year; probably once
every ten years will do. That way you can choose an arborist who
is accountable to you and your tastes.

Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org

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Old 17-11-2004, 03:13 PM
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The majority of utility companies if not all utility companies require
that a certified Utility Arborist has to be present at the work site. A
certified Utility Arborist is certified by ISA (International Society of
Arborists). The requirements are quite stringent to be certified as a
Utility Arborist, all ISA arborists are trained in proper pruning
techniques (no topping) and any arborist not following approved methods
will become decertified etc.

In order to retain certification all ISA arborists must take training
every three years or acquire similar education.
If you feel that the power line crew is incompetent ask to see who the
onsite arborist is and if there isn't one file a complaint.

Check out the website http://www.isa-arbor.com/

Anton - ISA arborist

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Old 17-11-2004, 07:06 PM
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Anton Nijhuis"
Subject: [IBC] It's Power Line tree trimming time again.


The majority of utility companies if not all utility companies require
that a certified Utility Arborist has to be present at the work site.


If you feel that the power line crew is incompetent ask to see who the
onsite arborist is and if there isn't one file a complaint.



Thanks Anton,
I shall copy this and ask when they return sometime this month.

BTW, I want to reiterate and explain something here, again.
In my first post I noted that a few years ago I refused the trimmers and
that brought the power company arborist to my home, we talked, he brought a
crew and they did a MUCH NICER job than all my neigbors got all the way down
the street. That's all I wanted, expected and heck...had a right to.
Folks, I realize the trees need trimmed and have no problems with that. I
just want it done by someone who cares what it looks like when done. In the
past "holding out" made everyone happy, we'll see if it does again.
Regards,
Dale
P.S. I didn't mention peviously that my street divides the neighborhood at
the point where underground power and above ground power come together. MY
power comes underground from a box at rear corner of lot, but, the folks
across the street get above power which runs along lines and poles on my
side of the street. I could never understand that! Our lots are all 150 ft.
deep, I'm lucky, both my neighbors have a pole in the middle of their front
yards, but the folks across the street that get their power by the lines
crossing over the street from our yards have 500 ft deep lots with no poles
in them! :) It always bothered me that I had to contend with tree trimmers
and they didn't have to.

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Old 17-11-2004, 05:56 PM
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From: "Alan Walker"
Subject: [IBC] It's Power Line tree trimming time again.


I don't know about your state, Roger, but Louisiana arborists are
required to be licensed. Part of the requirements for licensing
is that they know and be trained about such things as working
around power lines and how to prune a tree so that it will meet power
company specifications
.. That's why I said arborist and not
just a tree trimmer which can be any old hack with a chainsaw
operating illegally.

Alan Walker


Alan,
" how to prune a tree so that it will meet
power company specifications"
I think THAT is the important part of your statement....
that and being combined with laziness and not caring how it looks when you
are done!
Dale

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Old 17-11-2004, 06:45 PM
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Dale: You apparently missed the context of my comment. I was
referring to hiring your own arborist as opposed to going with
the free butcher job offered by the power company's tree cutters.
If the arborist is working for me, s/he will do it to my
specifications or not get the job.

Alan Walker
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Walker"

I don't know about your state, Roger, but Louisiana arborists are
required to be licensed. Part of the requirements for licensing
is that they know and be trained about such things as working
around power lines and how to prune a tree so that it will meet
power
company specifications
.. That's why I said arborist and not
just a tree trimmer which can be any old hack with a chainsaw
operating illegally.

Alan Walker

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From: dalecochoy

Alan,
" how to prune a tree so that it will meet power company
specifications"
I think THAT is the important part of your statement....
that and being combined with laziness and not caring how it looks
when you are done!
Dale

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Alan,

In Washington tree trimmers are only required to be licensed as contractors,
no special arborist license is required, consequently some are ISA certified
arborists and some are not.

Regards,
Roger Snipes
Spokane Wa. Zone 5, or maybe 6, depending on who you believe.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Walker"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:11 PM
Subject: [IBC] It's Power Line tree trimming time again.


I don't know about your state, Roger, but Louisiana arborists are
required to be licensed. Part of the requirements for licensing
is that they know and be trained about such things as working
around power lines and how to prune a tree so that it will meet
power company specifications. That's why I said arborist and not
just a tree trimmer which can be any old hack with a chainsaw
operating illegally.

Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Walker"
Subject: [IBC] It's Power Line tree trimming time again.


I don't know about your state, Roger, but Louisiana arborists are
required to be licensed. Part of the requirements for licensing
is that they know and be trained about such things as working
around power lines and how to prune a tree so that it will meet power
company specifications
.. That's why I said arborist and not
just a tree trimmer which can be any old hack with a chainsaw
operating illegally.

Alan Walker


Alan,
" how to prune a tree so that it will meet
power company specifications"
I think THAT is the important part of your statement....
that and being combined with laziness and not caring how it looks when you
are done!
Dale

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Alan,

In Washington tree trimmers are only required to be licensed as contractors,
no special arborist license is required, consequently some are ISA certified
arborists and some are not.

Regards,
Roger Snipes
Spokane Wa. Zone 5, or maybe 6, depending on who you believe.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Walker"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 9:11 PM
Subject: [IBC] It's Power Line tree trimming time again.


I don't know about your state, Roger, but Louisiana arborists are
required to be licensed. Part of the requirements for licensing
is that they know and be trained about such things as working
around power lines and how to prune a tree so that it will meet
power company specifications. That's why I said arborist and not
just a tree trimmer which can be any old hack with a chainsaw
operating illegally.

Alan Walker
http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org


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