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18-11-2004, 03:07 AM
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[IBC] Root Stimulant Information
Many of you have expressed interest as well as difficulty in acquiring Roots
products. Those who are interested can acquire the Roots family of products at http://www.youkoubonsai.com/. You should also be able to acquire the products in the near future from Stone Lantern. Cordially, Michael Persiano members.aol.com/iasnob ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#2
18-11-2004, 03:49 PM
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Many of you have expressed interest as well as difficulty in acquiring Roots
products. Those who are interested can acquire the Roots family of products at http://www.youkoubonsai.com/. Michael, Any chance of distribution by a person with the wherewithall to actually put his name on his business or a real address? I like to know the name of the name of the pitchman I'm buying my snakeoil from... I'm not asking you to provide his name, it was more an observation on business practices. Jim Stone TX ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#3
18-11-2004, 07:01 PM
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I presumed that Youkou Bonsai is owned by Michael
Persiano. I ordered from it. (Although I was reluctant to open a PayPal account. They ask for way more information than is necessary, in my opinion.) Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- From: Jim Stone Many of you have expressed interest as well as difficulty in acquiring Roots products. Those who are interested can acquire the Roots family of products at http://www.youkoubonsai.com/. Michael, Any chance of distribution by a person with the wherewithall to actually put his name on his business or a real address? I like to know the name of the name of the pitchman I'm buying my snakeoil from... I'm not asking you to provide his name, it was more an observation on business practices. Jim Stone TX ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#4
18-11-2004, 07:39 PM
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Hi Alan and all,
Alan Walker wrote: I presumed that Youkou Bonsai is owned by Michael Persiano. Actually, I wouldn't presume so, since he didn't say so  Having just seen Michael at a demo in NY, and he said he does not routinely retail Roots products, which he's also stated before on this list. Also knowing he lives in NJ, and Youkou is in North Carolina... ... I ordered from it. (Although I was reluctant to open a PayPal account. They ask for way more information than is necessary, in my opinion.) PayPal is a useful service, but has recently been under investigation as to whether they are doing "electronic money transfer" and therefore subject to particular federal regulations. Possibly they are collecting more info than previously to comply with such. Best, Anita -- Northern Harford County, Maryland, USDA zone 6 "I am not bound for any public place, but for ground of my own where I have planted vines and orchard trees, and in the heat of the day climbed up into the healing shadow of the woods. Better than any argument is to rise at dawn and pick dew-wet red berries in a cup." ~Wendell Berry ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#5
18-11-2004, 08:24 PM
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I used a mycorrizal additive in my soil mixes about 10-12- years ago. The company seiling it went out of business. Once a feild was innoculated, it stayed that way and repreat sales were not forthcoming. I had excellent growth when using this product.
Now I notice Mycrooizi are popular again. Besides Roots there is a 5-5-5- plant food from Whitney Farms (McLellan, Oregon) called "Life Link" It has 400,000 viable organisms per pound, with a 3 year shelf life. There is another product sold on tap (premixed) at some Summer Winds Nurseries (formerly Woolworths) called Soil Soup by a company of the same name in Seattle. Also the gardening catalogue ??Plants Alive?? has had some mycoohisial mixes. Bonsaiists and others who change soils regularly may benefit from added mycorrhiza especially if we use materials that are sterile and devoid of such, but any plant from real dirt should have its own colony. Kitsune Miko **** "Expectations are resentments under construction." Anne Lamott ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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18-11-2004, 07:39 PM
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Hi Alan and all,
Alan Walker wrote: I presumed that Youkou Bonsai is owned by Michael Persiano. Actually, I wouldn't presume so, since he didn't say so Having just seen Michael at a demo in NY, and he said he does not routinely retail Roots products, which he's also stated before on this list. Also knowing he lives in NJ, and Youkou is in North Carolina... ... I ordered from it. (Although I was reluctant to open a PayPal account. They ask for way more information than is necessary, in my opinion.) PayPal is a useful service, but has recently been under investigation as to whether they are doing "electronic money transfer" and therefore subject to particular federal regulations. Possibly they are collecting more info than previously to comply with such. Best, Anita -- Northern Harford County, Maryland, USDA zone 6 "I am not bound for any public place, but for ground of my own where I have planted vines and orchard trees, and in the heat of the day climbed up into the healing shadow of the woods. Better than any argument is to rise at dawn and pick dew-wet red berries in a cup." ~Wendell Berry ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#8
19-11-2004, 12:36 AM
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Hello to all!!!
I am the faceless, nameless character to which Michael aimed everyone towards for Roots products. Michael and I are friends and through some of his guidance and advice I now carry the Roots products. I apologize for the anonymity on my website, that was not my intention, and I will remedy that by putting some personal information on it. For now let me introduce myself. My name is Keith Smith, I have been on this list for a few years now. I normally sit back and read comments and occasionally chime in, I find that I learn more by listening or in this case reading. I have been involved with bonsai for almost 14 years. The reason I started carrying products for bonsai is simple, no one in my area (Eastern North Carolina) carried bonsai products. The closest distributor was almost 5 hours away. I am a member of Triangle Bonsai Society (TBS), and after hearing several people ask about products I decided to give it a try. I started with soil first, selling to TBS and its members and slowly branched out from there. If anyone has questions please feel free to contact me. . I hope this has cleared the air some. Keith "Billy M. Rhodes" wrote in message ... In a message dated 11/18/2004 10:49:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Any chance of distribution by a person with the wherewithal to actually put his name on his business or a real address? I tend to agree with Jim on this. Since Internet purchases are by nature faceless it is nice to have some "relationship" with the seller. Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#9
19-11-2004, 12:57 AM
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I forgot to add one note in my previous submission. This concerns paypal.
When you are checking out, if you do not have a paypal account there is a place you can click on that says "If you do not currently have a PayPal account Click Here. This will then walk you through a regular credit card check out. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to put a bunch of information about themselves. The reason I use PayPal is, the charges are less than going through a bank or other Merchant Services companies. This way I can keep my prices lower. Once again, I hope this helps. Keith "Keith" wrote in message news:xebnd.67$T02.24@lakeread06... Hello to all!!! I am the faceless, nameless character to which Michael aimed everyone towards for Roots products. Michael and I are friends and through some of his guidance and advice I now carry the Roots products. I apologize for the anonymity on my website, that was not my intention, and I will remedy that by putting some personal information on it. For now let me introduce myself. My name is Keith Smith, I have been on this list for a few years now. I normally sit back and read comments and occasionally chime in, I find that I learn more by listening or in this case reading. I have been involved with bonsai for almost 14 years. The reason I started carrying products for bonsai is simple, no one in my area (Eastern North Carolina) carried bonsai products. The closest distributor was almost 5 hours away. I am a member of Triangle Bonsai Society (TBS), and after hearing several people ask about products I decided to give it a try. I started with soil first, selling to TBS and its members and slowly branched out from there. If anyone has questions please feel free to contact me. . I hope this has cleared the air some. Keith "Billy M. Rhodes" wrote in message ... In a message dated 11/18/2004 10:49:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Any chance of distribution by a person with the wherewithal to actually put his name on his business or a real address? I tend to agree with Jim on this. Since Internet purchases are by nature faceless it is nice to have some "relationship" with the seller. Billy on the Florida Space Coast ************************************************** ************************** **** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ************************** **** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#10
18-11-2004, 11:44 PM
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I didn't order the mycorrhizal Roots product, since I'm
pretty sure that mycorrhiza from one species root system is not very helpful to another species. I had excellent results with the original Roots product. I hope what I ordered is the same thing. The early version brought a profusion of roots to a tree I had grown for several years and had still been very unsturdy in the pot. I notice they are hiding their MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet), so I may be getting a "new and improved" version. I think Nina mentioned a while back that she though the main ingredient was humic acid. I know what I ordered is different in form, since the earlier version was liquid and this is available only in dry form. We'll see if it makes a difference. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of Kitsune Miko Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:24 PM To: Subject: [IBC] Root Stimulant Information I used a mycorrizal additive in my soil mixes about 10-12- years ago. The company seiling it went out of business. Once a feild was innoculated, it stayed that way and repreat sales were not forthcoming. I had excellent growth when using this product. Now I notice Mycrooizi are popular again. Besides Roots there is a 5-5-5- plant food from Whitney Farms (McLellan, Oregon) called "Life Link" It has 400,000 viable organisms per pound, with a 3 year shelf life. There is another product sold on tap (premixed) at some Summer Winds Nurseries (formerly Woolworths) called Soil Soup by a company of the same name in Seattle. Also the gardening catalogue ??Plants Alive?? has had some mycoohisial mixes. Bonsaiists and others who change soils regularly may benefit from added mycorrhiza especially if we use materials that are sterile and devoid of such, but any plant from real dirt should have its own colony. Kitsune Miko **** "Expectations are resentments under construction." Anne Lamott ************************************************** *************** *************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** *************** *************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#11
20-11-2004, 10:23 AM
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Alan Said it. Some fungus work for different type of trees others only
for one species. I think this is the case with Larix for example. Also. I was in contact with the swedish agricultural university scince I had found som fungus im my pots. There where different kindes but all where just species that brake down dead organic material, not one of them where mychorizza. The funny thing is I have seen this brown mushroom in several articles regarding mychorizza. Just seeing mycel in a pot dosen´t mean you have mychorizza in symbiosis with the tree. The only way to determen this is to check te root tips. They should be fat and divided several root tips. Henrik Gistvall, Uppsala, Sweden Alan Walker wrote: I didn't order the mycorrhizal Roots product, since I'm pretty sure that mycorrhiza from one species root system is not very helpful to another species. I had excellent results with the original Roots product. I hope what I ordered is the same thing. The early version brought a profusion of roots to a tree I had grown for several years and had still been very unsturdy in the pot. I notice they are hiding their MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet), so I may be getting a "new and improved" version. I think Nina mentioned a while back that she though the main ingredient was humic acid. I know what I ordered is different in form, since the earlier version was liquid and this is available only in dry form. We'll see if it makes a difference. Alan Walker http://bonsai-bci.com http://LCBSBonsai.org -----Original Message----- From: Internet Bonsai Club ] On Behalf Of Kitsune Miko Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 2:24 PM To: Subject: [IBC] Root Stimulant Information I used a mycorrizal additive in my soil mixes about 10-12- years ago. The company seiling it went out of business. Once a feild was innoculated, it stayed that way and repreat sales were not forthcoming. I had excellent growth when using this product. Now I notice Mycrooizi are popular again. Besides Roots there is a 5-5-5- plant food from Whitney Farms (McLellan, Oregon) called "Life Link" It has 400,000 viable organisms per pound, with a 3 year shelf life. There is another product sold on tap (premixed) at some Summer Winds Nurseries (formerly Woolworths) called Soil Soup by a company of the same name in Seattle. Also the gardening catalogue ??Plants Alive?? has had some mycoohisial mixes. Bonsaiists and others who change soils regularly may benefit from added mycorrhiza especially if we use materials that are sterile and devoid of such, but any plant from real dirt should have its own colony. Kitsune Miko **** "Expectations are resentments under construction." Anne Lamott ************************************************** *************** *************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** *************** *************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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#12
19-11-2004, 11:04 AM
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In a message dated 11/18/2004 6:45:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: I didn't order the mycorrhizal Roots product, since I'm pretty sure that mycorrhiza from one species root system is not very helpful to another species. Alan: BTW: The Roots mycorrhizal innoculant has both endo and ecto: I doubt that it will not have a positive impact on all of your bonsai. Cordially, Michael ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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20-11-2004, 12:41 PM
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In a message dated 11/20/2004 5:23:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,
writes: The only way to determen this is to check te root tips. They should be fat and divided several root tips. Henrik: This is far from black and white with respect to "do's" and "dont's." For example, the mycorrhiza present in Junipers is attached inside the vascular tissue of the root--not on the outside. As I mentioned, the Roots Mycorrhizal Innoculant has been engineered to accommodate most trees and plants. I posted this information to the group because I am endlessly contacted about this stuff. I suggest that the adventurous give this stuff a try. I have been amazed at the visible benefits of using the Roots products. Cordially, Michael Persiano ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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21-11-2004, 09:34 PM
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Juniper came up to disussion. This is a specis where mychorizza is not
really figured out. Some experts in this field are not even clear on if all junipers have mychorizza or if they do how it functions. Henrik Gistvall , Uppsala, Sweden Michael Persiano wrote: In a message dated 11/20/2004 5:23:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: The only way to determen this is to check te root tips. They should be fat and divided several root tips. Henrik: This is far from black and white with respect to "do's" and "dont's." For example, the mycorrhiza present in Junipers is attached inside the vascular tissue of the root--not on the outside. As I mentioned, the Roots Mycorrhizal Innoculant has been engineered to accommodate most trees and plants. I posted this information to the group because I am endlessly contacted about this stuff. I suggest that the adventurous give this stuff a try. I have been amazed at the visible benefits of using the Roots products. Cordially, Michael Persiano ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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18-11-2004, 03:49 PM
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Many of you have expressed interest as well as difficulty in acquiring Roots
products. Those who are interested can acquire the Roots family of products at http://www.youkoubonsai.com/. Michael, Any chance of distribution by a person with the wherewithall to actually put his name on his business or a real address? I like to know the name of the name of the pitchman I'm buying my snakeoil from... I'm not asking you to provide his name, it was more an observation on business practices. Jim Stone TX ************************************************** ****************************** ++++Sponsored, in part, by Boon Manakitivipart++++ ************************************************** ****************************** -- The IBC HOME PAGE & FAQ: http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/ -- +++++ Questions? Help? e-mail +++++ |
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