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Hey, it's a free country, over there anyway. Hail Victory;-)


Indeed.

I'm not of the persuasion that would kill or destroy anything one didn't
dislike or which was an irritant. If I were there would be fewer people in
the world :-)

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Hey, it's a free country, over there anyway. Hail Victory;-)


Indeed.

I'm not of the persuasion that would kill or destroy anything one didn't
dislike or which was an irritant. If I were there would be fewer people in
the world :-)

Mary


Mainly a good 500 politicians and a few thousand lawyers? g
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"mw80"
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Hi

Just a quick one. I am new to gardening and i have taken over an
allotment. I am attempting to grow much of what is intended to go into
the ground from seed. Most things have been pretty successful so far
but i have had problems with my cabbages.

I planted Greyhound and a type of red cabbage (Drumhead?). Nearly all
the seeds germinated and when i thought they were ready to transplant
to biiger pots i did so and moved into my cold frame

It looks like i have lost all of them! We have had no frsot
(UK-Midlands) and everything else is fine. I used Westland West +
Advanced compost with a little bit of lime in (i was advised to do
that)

Anything i have done wrong or have i just been unlucky? It seems
strange that i have lost them all (there are 1 or 2 still alive that i
didn't have time to transplant)


It could well be slugs :-(

My brassica seedlings are still in pots in the greenhouse, even the kale. I
haven't planted out my Grehound and January King (red) seedlings yet, I'll
leave it until they're about four or five inches tall then bury them up to
their lowest leaves - but using a solid copper collar round them. That will
stay on all their lives, it really does seem to deter the slugs. The copper
mesh and other devices aren't as effective in my experience.

We've had true April weather here in Leeds, Yorkshire, and I don't want to
risk feeding the slugs any more than I can help.

You may want to
USE IRON PHOSPHATE BAIT
Choose a bait product carefully.
Baits containing methiocarb kill
earthworms and beneficial insects.
Baits containing iron phosphate
(such as Sluggo¨, Escar-Go¨, or
Worry Free¨) are safer for children
and pets than baits containing
metaldehyde. Nevertheless, always
keep this and all other pesticides out
of the reach of children and pets.
After eating iron phosphate, snails
and slugs stop feeding and die within
3 to 6 days. They often crawl into
secluded places, so you may not see
dead bodies.
Reapply iron phosphate baits every 2 weeks.

I use Sluggo and i t works very well. It says on the container
that it is safe with pets and children
and can be used up to the day of harvesting.

paste
counties.cce.cornell.edu/suffolk/HortFactSheets/factsheets/Slugs%20and%20
Snails.pdf into your URL. Yes I know it doesn't have a http:\\, just
paste it in and hit return.
On lime - I scatter lime on the ground where my brassicae are to live a few
weeks before they go in. Well, that's the intention. I've forgotten this
year :-) It won't harm to use slaked lime even after planting.

The slack lime is for what? Slugs and snails?

You're not going to have 100% success with anything, even when you've been
doing it for a lifetime. My old beekeeping mentor used to remind me that you
don't get a chicken from every egg.

On the other hand - want any tomatoes?

G

Mary

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In article ,
mw80 wrote:

'Billy[_4_ Wrote:
;787540']In article ,
"Mary Fisher" wrote:
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"mw80"
wrote in message
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Hi

Just a quick one. I am new to gardening and i have taken over an
allotment. I am attempting to grow much of what is intended to go
into
the ground from seed. Most things have been pretty successful so far
but i have had problems with my cabbages.

I planted Greyhound and a type of red cabbage (Drumhead?). Nearly
all
the seeds germinated and when i thought they were ready to
transplant
to biiger pots i did so and moved into my cold frame

It looks like i have lost all of them! We have had no frsot
(UK-Midlands) and everything else is fine. I used Westland West +
Advanced compost with a little bit of lime in (i was advised to do
that)

Anything i have done wrong or have i just been unlucky? It seems
strange that i have lost them all (there are 1 or 2 still alive that
i
didn't have time to transplant)-

It could well be slugs :-(

My brassica seedlings are still in pots in the greenhouse, even the
kale. I
haven't planted out my Grehound and January King (red) seedlings yet,
I'll
leave it until they're about four or five inches tall then bury them
up to
their lowest leaves - but using a solid copper collar round them. That
will
stay on all their lives, it really does seem to deter the slugs. The
copper
mesh and other devices aren't as effective in my experience.

We've had true April weather here in Leeds, Yorkshire, and I don't
want to
risk feeding the slugs any more than I can help.-
You may want to
USE IRON PHOSPHATE BAIT
Choose a bait product carefully.
Baits containing methiocarb kill
earthworms and beneficial insects.
Baits containing iron phosphate
(such as Sluggo¨, Escar-Go¨, or
Worry Free¨) are safer for children
and pets than baits containing
metaldehyde. Nevertheless, always
keep this and all other pesticides out
of the reach of children and pets.
After eating iron phosphate, snails
and slugs stop feeding and die within
3 to 6 days. They often crawl into
secluded places, so you may not see
dead bodies.
Reapply iron phosphate baits every 2 weeks.

I use Sluggo and i t works very well. It says on the container
that it is safe with pets and children
and can be used up to the day of harvesting.-
-
paste
counties.cce.cornell.edu/suffolk/HortFactSheets/factsheets/Slugs%20and%20
Snails.pdf into your URL. Yes I know it doesn't have a http:\\, just
paste it in and hit return.-
On lime - I scatter lime on the ground where my brassicae are to live
a few
weeks before they go in. Well, that's the intention. I've forgotten
this
year :-) It won't harm to use slaked lime even after planting.-
The slack lime is for what? Slugs and snails?-

You're not going to have 100% success with anything, even when you've
been
doing it for a lifetime. My old beekeeping mentor used to remind me
that you
don't get a chicken from every egg.

On the other hand - want any tomatoes?

G

Mary-
--

Billy
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http://tinyurl.com/4ybxfh


Billy

Can you buy Sluggo in the UK?


The SlugsSnails fact sheet

counties.cce.cornell.edu/suffolk/HortFactSheets/factsheets/Slugs%20and%20
Snails.pdf
mentions Sluggo, Escar-Go, and
Worry Free as products containing iron phosphate. I would do a Google
search for Baits containing iron phosphate, UK and see what you get.
The other solution would be to call a nursery near you and see if they
carry an iron phosphate product or if they can order it for you.
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In article ,
"Mary Fisher" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
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Hey, it's a free country, over there anyway. Hail Victory;-)


Indeed.

I'm not of the persuasion that would kill or destroy anything one didn't
dislike or which was an irritant. If I were there would be fewer people in
the world :-)

Mary

Over here, that would be a nice change. I hate to mention it but since
your over there and I'm over here, and we are communicating, I suspect
that you now have a dossier in Langley, Virginia, with your name on it.

If you want to run for President, I'll vote for you;-)

We are back to the lesser of three evils.
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In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
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Hey, it's a free country, over there anyway. Hail Victory;-)


Indeed.

I'm not of the persuasion that would kill or destroy anything one didn't
dislike or which was an irritant. If I were there would be fewer people in
the world :-)

Mary


Mainly a good 500 politicians and a few thousand lawyers? g


That would be a good start;-)
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"Billy" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Mary Fisher" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
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Hey, it's a free country, over there anyway. Hail Victory;-)


Indeed.

I'm not of the persuasion that would kill or destroy anything one didn't
dislike or which was an irritant. If I were there would be fewer people
in
the world :-)

Mary

Over here, that would be a nice change. I hate to mention it but since
your over there and I'm over here, and we are communicating, I suspect
that you now have a dossier in Langley, Virginia, with your name on it.


Hurrah!

I know they have one in Idaho but it's out of date now.

If you want to run for President, I'll vote for you;-)


I don't.

Which reminds me, it's polling day here, I should go and make my mark if
only to cancel out the neighbour's :-)

Mary


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Can you buy Sluggo in the UK?


No idea. I never look at pesticide and herbicide shelves. You know when
you're getting to that department by the odour.

Mary




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In article ,
"Mary Fisher" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Mary Fisher" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
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Hey, it's a free country, over there anyway. Hail Victory;-)

Indeed.

I'm not of the persuasion that would kill or destroy anything one didn't
dislike or which was an irritant. If I were there would be fewer people
in
the world :-)

Mary

Over here, that would be a nice change. I hate to mention it but since
your over there and I'm over here, and we are communicating, I suspect
that you now have a dossier in Langley, Virginia, with your name on it.


Hurrah!

I know they have one in Idaho but it's out of date now.


My heart's all a twitter. Now I KNOW, I'll have to write you in;-)


If you want to run for President, I'll vote for you;-)


I don't.

Which reminds me, it's polling day here, I should go and make my mark if
only to cancel out the neighbour's :-)

Good on you. Throw the rascals out. Hmmm
Or is it like here in the colonies?
More of a game of musical chairs?:-(

Mary

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In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...

Hey, it's a free country, over there anyway. Hail Victory;-)

Indeed.

I'm not of the persuasion that would kill or destroy anything one didn't
dislike or which was an irritant. If I were there would be fewer people
in
the world :-)

Mary


Mainly a good 500 politicians and a few thousand lawyers? g


That would be a good start;-)


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In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article ,
"Mary Fisher" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
.
..

Hey, it's a free country, over there anyway. Hail Victory;-)

Indeed.

I'm not of the persuasion that would kill or destroy anything one
didn't
dislike or which was an irritant. If I were there would be fewer people
in
the world :-)

Mary

Mainly a good 500 politicians and a few thousand lawyers? g


That would be a good start;-)


At the bottom of the ocean... ;-


I do believe we have an understanding:-))
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Can you buy Sluggo in the UK?


No idea. I never look at pesticide and herbicide shelves. You know when
you're getting to that department by the odour.

Mary


Plates of beer work pretty good for slugs. They seem to prefer dark ale.
;-) We've drowned many a slug that way.

I'm fortunate that I have a plethora of snails that don't eat my plants.
I only ever find them eating algae and on dead stuff. Not sure what
species they are but I've never seen them eating my live plants.

Good thing too as there are thousands of them... Two different species.

They are not attracted to the beer either. The slugs sure are tho'.
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In article , Charlie wrote:

On Thu, 01 May 2008 20:29:39 -0500, Omelet wrote:


Plates of beer work pretty good for slugs. They seem to prefer dark ale.
;-) We've drowned many a slug that way.


Waste of good dark ale, if'ns ya ask me, which, btw, you didn't!!

Dumb sluggs can drink Bud....harrrummph, wastin' good brew
on a sluggg!!!

Charlie, lookin' kinda sideways at you Texans now! ;-)


Wha chew talkin' bout bro. All us slugs is heading for good drinks now
in Texas.
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In article , Charlie wrote:

On Thu, 01 May 2008 20:29:39 -0500, Omelet wrote:


Plates of beer work pretty good for slugs. They seem to prefer dark ale.
;-) We've drowned many a slug that way.


Waste of good dark ale, if'ns ya ask me, which, btw, you didn't!!

Dumb sluggs can drink Bud....harrrummph, wastin' good brew
on a sluggg!!!


lol We tried cheap beer at first! Dad put some dark ale out one night
when he'd run out of the cheap stuff.

It attracted 3 times as many slugs, I kid you not!


Charlie, lookin' kinda sideways at you Texans now! ;-)


See above. g It appears that Texas slugs have good taste in brewskies.
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In article
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Billy wrote:

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Thu, 01 May 2008 20:29:39 -0500, Omelet wrote:


Plates of beer work pretty good for slugs. They seem to prefer dark ale.
;-) We've drowned many a slug that way.


Waste of good dark ale, if'ns ya ask me, which, btw, you didn't!!

Dumb sluggs can drink Bud....harrrummph, wastin' good brew
on a sluggg!!!

Charlie, lookin' kinda sideways at you Texans now! ;-)


Wha chew talkin' bout bro. All us slugs is heading for good drinks now
in Texas.


Seems that way. g
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