Dan L. wrote:
In article , Persephone
wrote:

snip...

It is not OK to attack people personally, but it is very much OK to
attack IDEAS! Of course if it's done thoughtfully, that helps.
But going back over the history of humankind, especially the
last few thousand years, it is ridiculously easy to make a list of
ideas which were once accepted, but now have been shown to be
flawed.

Today's assignment:

I feel that statement "It is not OK to attack people personally"
is wrong!!!!! To restrict ones' speech in any way is bad. One should
have the right to call another: stupid, idiot, fat, ugly or any
other
derogative or negative term. Most insulting words are defined by the
person stating it. Restricting free speech in my book - will do more
harm in any society than good. Teachers should have right to say,
"You
stupid idiot - go back and do it right!" I believe insults help
build
mental calluses for a stronger mind. People who are offended by
statements are just simply weak minded. Free speech should include
cussing in public as well.

In my book, people do not have the right to state lies about a
person
or in which people are directly physically harmed by speech (Like
FIRE when there is no fire).

If one does run into a week minded person, one should learn to
"duck"
or "run like a rabbit" when insulting them. If it is being suggested
that "It is not OK to attack people personally" in physical way ...
I
agree

Just for the record, I am attacking the stupid chick's IDEA about
free
speech, not the stupid chick herself

Enjoy Life ... Dan

A person who cannot defend his ideas without resorting to insults and
"cussing" is far more weak minded than any individual who takes
exception to being insulted.

--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

fPersephone wrote:

This is not a poster worth debating.


I'm not looking for a debate with the illuminati. I just wanted some
gardening advice regarding boards. You know ........ wood ......... lumber
...........

No? ................

sigh ......................

Steve

In article ,
"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote:

Ideas and experiences appreciated.

Steve

--
"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere
critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly,
not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done."
Theodore Roosevelt 1891

--

Ah, a perceptive man, ol' Teddy. Funny how things ain't changed much.

- Billy

"Political parties exist to secure responsible government and to execute
the will of the people. From these great tasks both of the old parties
have turned aside. Instead of instruments to promote the general welfare
they have become the tools of corrupt interests, which use them
impartially to serve their selfish purposes. Behind the ostensible
government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance
and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this
invisible government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt
business and corrupt politics, is the first task of the statesmanship of
the day. "

- Theodore Roosevelt

* "The Progressive Covenant With The People" speech (August, 1912)

In article ,
"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote:

fPersephone wrote:

This is not a poster worth debating.


I'm not looking for a debate with the illuminati. I just wanted some
gardening advice regarding boards. You know ........ wood ......... lumber
..........

No? ................

sigh ......................

Steve

Wood I lumber? I lumber about everywhere I go. I kinda got this shuffle
down (An a one, an a two, an a one-two-three an a one an a two, and usw.)
Hunert degrees today, hunert an 2 yesterday. Think I'm gonna chop a
section out of my plastic mulch where a half dozen string beans can't
make no headway. Tired of seeing their fricasseed little bodies. Got 10
leeks in today (gotta get out early before the inferno hits). About
forty to go, when they get bigger.

The heat is encouraging. Last year was a terrible year and we only had
three 100F days. This year we have already had four. Two years ago was a
banner year in the garden with a dozen days of 100F days. Everything
seems to be flowering precociously and the bees were here waiting for
them

Nearly all my plots with deep mulch have been pillaged by a raccoon. The
motion sensitive sprinkler and a little proprietor's **** seems to deter
him/her but I'm defending too much land and I'm getting down to cotton
balls.

My trial spot for cabbage and cauliflower doesn't seem to be working
out. They are starting to bolt. I think I'll start rotating in some
cabbage to the lettuce patch and some lettuce into the cabbage patch and
see how that works out.

Tomorrow I'll get the the tromboncini in.

I'm kind of excited because I have two teeny tiny stevia plants. Now all
I have to do is nurture. Identified one of my mystery plants from last
year as valeriana officianalis, and there are two species of skull cap,
a returning elcampane, a volunteer milk thistle, and much more from this
year.

I'm back in the prunella business, the flower spikes are out again.
Mixed with mint and sliced lemon, it make a very nice drink for a hot
day.

Später.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

Billy wrote:
In article ,
"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote:

Ideas and experiences appreciated.

Steve

--
"...the man who really counts in the world is the doer, not the mere
critic-the man who actually does the work, even if roughly and imperfectly,
not the man who only talks or writes about how it ought to be done."
Theodore Roosevelt 1891

--

Ah, a perceptive man, ol' Teddy. Funny how things ain't changed much.

- Billy

"Political parties exist to secure responsible government and to execute
the will of the people. From these great tasks both of the old parties
have turned aside. Instead of instruments to promote the general welfare
they have become the tools of corrupt interests, which use them
impartially to serve their selfish purposes. Behind the ostensible
government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance
and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. To destroy this
invisible government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt
business and corrupt politics, is the first task of the statesmanship of
the day. "

- Theodore Roosevelt

* "The Progressive Covenant With The People" speech (August, 1912)

Vote Bullmoose

cheers

oz, getting feet rubbed after three days (and nights) of square dancing

In article ,
"J. Clarke" wrote:

Dan L. wrote:
In article , Persephone
wrote:

snip...

It is not OK to attack people personally, but it is very much OK to
attack IDEAS! Of course if it's done thoughtfully, that helps.
But going back over the history of humankind, especially the
last few thousand years, it is ridiculously easy to make a list of
ideas which were once accepted, but now have been shown to be
flawed.

Today's assignment:

I feel that statement "It is not OK to attack people personally"
is wrong!!!!! To restrict ones' speech in any way is bad. One should
have the right to call another: stupid, idiot, fat, ugly or any
other
derogative or negative term. Most insulting words are defined by the
person stating it. Restricting free speech in my book - will do more
harm in any society than good. Teachers should have right to say,
"You
stupid idiot - go back and do it right!" I believe insults help
build
mental calluses for a stronger mind. People who are offended by
statements are just simply weak minded. Free speech should include
cussing in public as well.

In my book, people do not have the right to state lies about a
person
or in which people are directly physically harmed by speech (Like
FIRE when there is no fire).

If one does run into a week minded person, one should learn to
"duck"
or "run like a rabbit" when insulting them. If it is being suggested
that "It is not OK to attack people personally" in physical way ...
I
agree

Just for the record, I am attacking the stupid chick's IDEA about
free
speech, not the stupid chick herself

Enjoy Life ... Dan

A person who cannot defend his ideas without resorting to insults and
"cussing" is far more weak minded than any individual who takes
exception to being insulted.

--

If a person only uses insults without reasoning, I would agree.
One can use both reason and insults to defend their idea. Using reason
alone is not always that effective. The stronger mind will pick out the
difference. What am I defending is the right to say what one wants in
any format they choose. Bending to others on want they think is right
may not be right.

Enjoy Life ... Dan

--
Email "dan lehr at comcast dot net". Text only or goes to trash automatically.

In article
,
"Dan L." wrote:

In article ,
"J. Clarke" wrote:

Dan L. wrote:
In article , Persephone
wrote:

snip...

It is not OK to attack people personally, but it is very much OK to
attack IDEAS! Of course if it's done thoughtfully, that helps.
But going back over the history of humankind, especially the
last few thousand years, it is ridiculously easy to make a list of
ideas which were once accepted, but now have been shown to be
flawed.
So, logically, in another thousand years, our perception of reality may
appear to be a crazy quilt of superstitions as well.

Today's assignment:

I feel
Do you have an objective basis for your feelings or are these just
unbridled manifestations of your id?
that statement "It is not OK to attack people personally"

is wrong!!!!! To restrict ones' speech in any way is bad. One should
have the right to call another: stupid, idiot, fat, ugly or any
other
derogative or negative term.

These are value judgements, (aren't they?) and don't have any objective
basis in fact (do they?). If I say that you are a stupid idiot, does
that make it true? No matter how strongly I may believe it?

Most insulting words are defined by the
person stating it. Restricting free speech in my book - will do more
harm in any society than good.

Other actions are restrained, why not speech?

Teachers should have right to say,
"You
stupid idiot - go back and do it right!" I believe

Ah, so your attack IS based on beliefs and not facts. Very interesting.

insults help
build
mental calluses for a stronger mind.

Would that mean that whipping people would make for stronger bodies?

People who are offended by
statements are just simply weak minded. Free speech should include
cussing in public as well.

I believe it already is, unless you are inciting the violent overthrow
of "our" government. Having said that, I notice a distinct paucity of
scatological words coming from you. Do you feel constrained? Why?

In my book,

In the Navy, they have an old saying about "opinions" being like "anal
sphincters". Everybody has one, but no body wants to hear it. Why should
your's be different?

people do not have the right to state lies about a
person

In Texas, a radio station was found to have lied in a news cast but the
court said that there was no law against it ("The Corporation" on DVD).

or in which people are directly physically harmed by speech (Like
FIRE when there is no fire).

If one does run into a week minded person, one should learn to
"duck"
or "run like a rabbit" when insulting them. If it is being suggested
that "It is not OK to attack people personally" in physical way ...
I
agree

Then there are unintended consequences: Girl Commits Suicide Over
Internet Prank by ADULTS--Who is Responsible?
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/fea...007/11/girl-co
mmits-su.html


Just for the record, I am attacking the stupid chick's IDEA about
free
speech, not the stupid chick herself

Objectively, this is called an "ad hominem" attack because you haven't
established that there is a chick or that the chick is stupid, unless
you are stating that to disagree with you is stupid on the face of it.
This would be a very difficult position to try to defend, logically or
empirically.


Enjoy Life ... Dan

A person who cannot defend his ideas without resorting to insults and
"cussing" is far more weak minded than any individual who takes
exception to being insulted.


"Weak minded" doesn't seem to have an objective definition. I think that
in some circumstances, a visceral response may overwhelm a person's
intellectual response e.g. a Palestinian being lectured on the triumphs
of Zionism, or a Jew being lectured on the triumphs of National
Socialism. It may not be PC but is understandable.


--

If a person only uses insults without reasoning, I would agree.
One can use both reason and insults to defend their idea. Using reason
alone is not always that effective. The stronger mind will pick out the
difference. What am I defending is the right to say what one wants in
any format they choose.

What you want? When you want it? The way you want it? What kind of
personality does this remind you of?

Bending to others on want they think is right
may not be right.

This suggests that there is no truth, only debating skills, and exhibits
a deep psychological investment in personally held beliefs to the point
of a xenophobic inflexibility in learning from others.


Enjoy Life ... Dan

Good luck
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

In article
,
Billy wrote:

Snip ...

These are value judgements, (aren't they?) and don't have any objective
basis in fact (do they?). If I say that you are a stupid idiot, does
that make it true? No matter how strongly I may believe it?

You are correct. I respect those that reject my insults.
However, I rarely insult people. I use reasoning most of the time.
When people get locked up in the reasoning, many will get angry.
I find entertainment in finding those that cannot control their emotions.
I smile when they express anger and start yelling.

Other actions are restrained, why not speech?

Good Question - A philosopher at hart Billy?

As an Atheist, I still feel the needed for a set of rules in which to
live by. Most people need some rules live by. Most use their respective
religious beliefs. I no longer live by any religious teachings. So I
created my own.

One of my rules in which I try and live by.
*** I believe in maximum personal freedom as long as no one else is
directly or indirectly physically harmed ***

Speech does not harm people physically. So ok in MY book.
Stealing may harm another physically (No money for food) Not Ok.

If another uses mind altering drugs and harms no else - Ok in MY book.
If drug use causes an auto accident in which one is hurt - Not ok.

If you want a gun (even fully automatic) for self defense. OK in my book.
If one uses a gun to harm another. Not ok.

I also realize that the majority of the people makes the laws in which
we all live under. There are laws that I disagree with, but obey them.
Like the drugs laws.

A difficult rule to follow is pollution. I do drive my truck and have
electric power that comes from a coal powered plant. In someway I am
indirectly harming the earth and myself in return. Some day I hope I can
change that.

Ah, so your attack IS based on beliefs and not facts. Very interesting.

Yes, Belief is when all of the facts are not there. Most attacks are
based on beliefs - not facts. God is not a fact - a belief.

insults help
build
mental calluses for a stronger mind.

Would that mean that whipping people would make for stronger bodies?

Not in my book, Violates directly physically harming others.

In the Navy, they have an old saying about "opinions" being like "anal
sphincters". Everybody has one, but no body wants to hear it. Why should
your's be different?

It is not different. Like an old "Andy Capp" cartoon saying.
"You can say your opinions, I just don't want to here them".

However, your statement is a good example of reasoning and the inclusion
of insulting others

In Texas, a radio station was found to have lied in a news cast but the
court said that there was no law against it ("The Corporation" on DVD).

In my book their would be a law against it.

Then there are unintended consequences: Girl Commits Suicide Over
Internet Prank by ADULTS--Who is Responsible?
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/fea...007/11/girl-co
mmits-su.html

A very good question, in which I have thought about for a long time.
My answer is very harsh. People who commit suicide are physically
harming themselves - not others. Darwin is at work here ... survival of
the fittest.

When I was in school, the phrase "Sticks and Stones can harm me, but
words cannot" This is a beautiful phrase that was ingrained in every
ones mind when I went to school.

In todays schools this saying has been changed to: "Sticks and Stones
can harm me and so can words" If suicides are up - I blame the society
that tries to make everyone more kinder rather than tough minded.

This suggests that there is no truth, only debating skills, and exhibits
a deep psychological investment in personally held beliefs to the point
of a xenophobic inflexibility in learning from others.

Definition of "xenophobic" ---
"intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries :
racism and xenophobia are steadily growing in Europe."

This is not me billy. I do not fear or dislike other people from other
countries. Are you sure this word was choose wisely or just a brain
fart. You stated in the past that I should have a little more **** and
vinegar

Also, I base my life on reasoning. Most reasoning fails at the
presupposition level and most presuppositions are based on belief in
which all the facts are not there. If my presuppositions are wrong I
will change them. The existence of God was the biggest change.

Excellent Questions Billy !!!!!
You ask the questions that most people would not even dream of !!!!

Enjoy Life ... Dan

--
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In article
,
"Dan L." wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

Snip ...

These are value judgements, (aren't they?) and don't have any objective
basis in fact (do they?). If I say that you are a stupid idiot, does
that make it true? No matter how strongly I may believe it?

You are correct. I respect those that reject my insults.
However, I rarely insult people. I use reasoning most of the time.
When people get locked up in the reasoning, many will get angry.
I find entertainment in finding those that cannot control their emotions.
I smile when they express anger and start yelling.

Other actions are restrained, why not speech?

Good Question - A philosopher at hart Billy?

As an Atheist, I still feel the needed for a set of rules in which to
live by. Most people need some rules live by. Most use their respective
religious beliefs. I no longer live by any religious teachings. So I
created my own.

One of my rules in which I try and live by.
*** I believe in maximum personal freedom as long as no one else is
directly or indirectly physically harmed ***

Speech does not harm people physically. So ok in MY book.
Stealing may harm another physically (No money for food) Not Ok.

If another uses mind altering drugs and harms no else - Ok in MY book.
If drug use causes an auto accident in which one is hurt - Not ok.

If you want a gun (even fully automatic) for self defense. OK in my book.
If one uses a gun to harm another. Not ok.

I also realize that the majority of the people makes the laws in which
we all live under. There are laws that I disagree with, but obey them.
Like the drugs laws.

A difficult rule to follow is pollution. I do drive my truck and have
electric power that comes from a coal powered plant. In someway I am
indirectly harming the earth and myself in return. Some day I hope I can
change that.

Ah, so your attack IS based on beliefs and not facts. Very interesting.

Yes, Belief is when all of the facts are not there. Most attacks are
based on beliefs - not facts. God is not a fact - a belief.

insults help
build
mental calluses for a stronger mind.

Would that mean that whipping people would make for stronger bodies?

Not in my book, Violates directly physically harming others.

In the Navy, they have an old saying about "opinions" being like "anal
sphincters". Everybody has one, but no body wants to hear it. Why should
your's be different?

It is not different. Like an old "Andy Capp" cartoon saying.
"You can say your opinions, I just don't want to here them".

However, your statement is a good example of reasoning and the inclusion
of insulting others

In Texas, a radio station was found to have lied in a news cast but the
court said that there was no law against it ("The Corporation" on DVD).

In my book their would be a law against it.

Then there are unintended consequences: Girl Commits Suicide Over
Internet Prank by ADULTS--Who is Responsible?
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/fea...007/11/girl-co
mmits-su.html

A very good question, in which I have thought about for a long time.
My answer is very harsh. People who commit suicide are physically
harming themselves - not others. Darwin is at work here ... survival of
the fittest.

When I was in school, the phrase "Sticks and Stones can harm me, but
words cannot" This is a beautiful phrase that was ingrained in every
ones mind when I went to school.

In todays schools this saying has been changed to: "Sticks and Stones
can harm me and so can words" If suicides are up - I blame the society
that tries to make everyone more kinder rather than tough minded.

It was an adult against a 13 year old girl.


This suggests that there is no truth, only debating skills, and exhibits
a deep psychological investment in personally held beliefs to the point
of a xenophobic inflexibility in learning from others.

Definition of "xenophobic" ---
"intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries :
racism and xenophobia are steadily growing in Europe."

Got me, but you know what I meant.


This is not me billy. I do not fear or dislike other people from other
countries. Are you sure this word was choose wisely or just a brain
fart. You stated in the past that I should have a little more **** and
vinegar

Also, I base my life on reasoning. Most reasoning fails at the
presupposition level and most presuppositions are based on belief in
which all the facts are not there. If my presuppositions are wrong I
will change them. The existence of God was the biggest change.

Excellent Questions Billy !!!!!
You ask the questions that most people would not even dream of !!!!

Enjoy Life ... Dan
Oh, I do Dan, very, very much ;o)

So what's in your garden?
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

In article
,
Billy wrote:

So what's in your garden?

Vegetables:

I have a very small vegetable garden this year- about 10 4x4 boxes.

(3 plants of each listed below)
Tomatoes: Romas, Cherry 100s, Brandywines, Beefsteaks.
Cucumbers: Divas, Northern Pickling.
Peppers: Sweet Banana, Jalopena, California Wonders.
Yellow Straight neck Squash, Romain lettuce, Leaf lettuce, Butter Crunch.

Pascal celery (10 plants), Bloomingdale Spinach (15 plants)
Kuroda long Carrots (100 plants), Kentucky Wonder Green Beens (60 plants)
Broccoli (8 plants), Cauliflower (4 plants) and Early Green Cabbage (4
plants) and ...... Basil (6 plants). All for one person

I will start replacement for the leaf lettuces and basil this week.
They bolt to seed after 2 to 3 months.

Going try juicing or canning this fall if I have more than I can eat.
Only food preserve so far was freezing Green Beans last year. Yum

I have already had nice salads - with
(Romain, Leaf, Butter Crunch, Spinach, Basil, Banana Pepper and Pickling
Cucumbers) Very Tasty

My Vegetable Garden growing extremely well this year. No Tomatoes yet

Flowers:
Annuals from seed: 100 marigolds, 50 Zinnas, 50 Petunias, 50 Snap
Dragons. I have dozen Rose Bushes, Evergreens and other Perennials
around the house to keep me busy.

My first Vegetable Garden 8 years ago was a disaster, large 50 x 50
feet. Directly into the ground, water logged and full of weeds.
Gardening is a major learning experience. Best to start small, learn and
build.

And I thought I was going to be ridiculed for my thoughts on Philosophy.

Enjoy Life ... Dan

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In article , Charlie wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:21:11 -0400, "Dan L."
wrote:


Also, I base my life on reasoning. Most reasoning fails at the
presupposition level and most presuppositions are based on belief in
which all the facts are not there. If my presuppositions are wrong I
will change them. The existence of God was the biggest change.

Excellent Questions Billy !!!!!
You ask the questions that most people would not even dream of !!!!

Enjoy Life ... Dan

Interesting passage by Einstein follows, that seems to apply somehow.
I not be schmart enough to fully grasp and reason out most things, let
alone "debate" or "justify" my positions...I depend upon others to
speak of that which I understand, yet cannot articulate or communicate
on my own...sometimes you just go with your gut and honor the
mysterious.

--
Charlie

Our situation on this earth seems strange. Every one of us appears here
involuntarily and uninvited for a short stay, without knowing the whys and
the wherefore. In our daily lives we only feel that man is here for the sake
of others, for those whom we love and for many other beings whose fate is
connected with our own. I am often worried at the thought that my life is
based to such a large extent on the work of my fellow human beings and I am
aware of my great indebtedness to them. I do not believe in freedom of the
will. Schopenhauer's words: 'Man can do what he wants, but he cannot will
what he wills' accompany me in all situations throughout my life and
reconcile me with the actions of others even if they are rather painful to
me. This awareness of the lack of freedom of will preserves me from taking
too seriously myself and my fellow men as acting and deciding individuals
and from losing my temper.

I never coveted affluence and luxury and even despise them a good deal. My
passion for social justice has often brought me into conflict with people,
as did my aversion to any obligation and dependence I do not regard as
absolutely necessary. I always have a high regard for the individual and
have an insuperable distaste for violence and clubmanship. All these motives
made me into a passionate pacifist and anti-militarist. I am against any
nationalism, even in the guise of mere patriotism. Privileges based on
position and property have always seemed to me unjust and pernicious, as did
any exaggerated personality cult.

I am an adherent of the ideal of democracy, although I well know the
weaknesses of the democratic form of government. Social equality and
economic protection of the individual appeared to me always as the important
communal aims of the state. Although I am a typical loner in daily life, my
consciousness of belonging to the invisible community of those who strive
for truth, beauty, and justice has preserved me from feeling isolated. The
most beautiful and deepest experience a man can have is the sense of the
mysterious. It is the underlying principle of religion as well as all
serious endeavour in art and science. He who never had this experience seems
to me, if not dead, then at least blind. To sense that behind anything that
can be experienced there is a something that our mind cannot grasp and whose
beauty and sublimity reaches us only indirectly and as a feeble reflection,
this is religiousness. In this sense I am religious. To me it suffices to
wonder at these secrets and to attempt humbly to grasp with my mind a mere
image of the lofty structure of all that there is."

-- Albert Einstein

I have several books by and about Einstein, technical and non. A very
interesting person. Most people are very religious then and today. When
one is born and completely surrounded by religious people one will often
accept the norm, Einstein included.

Times were different in my time. Evolution was taught in my science
classes in high school, religion was not. I was raised by a strong
fundamentalist family. I did not become an Atheist until 28 years old
(52 now). The two worlds of religion and science was crashing in my
mind. I could not merge or resolve the two worlds. One had to give. I
read the three different bibles, King James, NIV and the Standard, back
to back along with other references. It took four years of reading. One
reference book finished it for me - "Bible Difficulties by Archer". When
I finished his book - I was an Atheist. It was like removing the
heaviest weights off my shoulders and freed my mind.

If Einstein was born today, I have no doubt he would also be an atheist.

Enjoy Life ... Dan

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In article
,
"Dan L." wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:

So what's in your garden?

Vegetables:

I have a very small vegetable garden this year- about 10 4x4 boxes.

(3 plants of each listed below)
Tomatoes: Romas, Cherry 100s, Brandywines, Beefsteaks.
Cucumbers: Divas, Northern Pickling.
Peppers: Sweet Banana, Jalopena, California Wonders.
Yellow Straight neck Squash, Romain lettuce, Leaf lettuce, Butter Crunch.

Pascal celery (10 plants), Bloomingdale Spinach (15 plants)
Kuroda long Carrots (100 plants), Kentucky Wonder Green Beens (60 plants)
Broccoli (8 plants), Cauliflower (4 plants) and Early Green Cabbage (4
plants) and ...... Basil (6 plants). All for one person

I will start replacement for the leaf lettuces and basil this week.
They bolt to seed after 2 to 3 months.

Going try juicing or canning this fall if I have more than I can eat.
Only food preserve so far was freezing Green Beans last year. Yum

I have already had nice salads - with
(Romain, Leaf, Butter Crunch, Spinach, Basil, Banana Pepper and Pickling
Cucumbers) Very Tasty

My Vegetable Garden growing extremely well this year. No Tomatoes yet

Flowers:
Annuals from seed: 100 marigolds, 50 Zinnas, 50 Petunias, 50 Snap
Dragons. I have dozen Rose Bushes, Evergreens and other Perennials
around the house to keep me busy.

My first Vegetable Garden 8 years ago was a disaster, large 50 x 50
feet. Directly into the ground, water logged and full of weeds.
Gardening is a major learning experience. Best to start small, learn and
build.

And I thought I was going to be ridiculed for my thoughts on Philosophy.

We are all ridiculous, impertinent, and mislead. We are all looking at
the shadows on the walls of Plato's cave. Truth is fleeting. All
knowledge is transitory. Enjoy the ride. You are better than no one, and
no one is better than you. Truth is where you find it.
--

Billy
Bush and Pelosi Behind Bars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo...eature=related

It seems that the subject of conversation is the signature that you
introduced into the gardening newsgroups.


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