I've been hand watering the young plants, but I think it's time to
set up the drip irrigation for the year. The cucurbits look like they
are ready to take off and the temps are in the 80's.

It seems to me that every other plant is going to be more tolerant of
how it is watered than the cukes. At least that's my experience! I have
a Rain Drip single time/frequency timer.

I wonder if I should water early, or just before the day heats up,
perhaps 10 AM. Or should I get a timer that lets you set more than one
specific time per day and water some in the afternoon when they are
getting beat on. I'll be away for a while, so I'd like to program the
best guess in. The soil seems to have average drainage and moisture
retention. Not too heavy and with some humus to loosen it up a bit. Much
better than last year when it was denser. Down 10" there is still a lot
of red clay.

Jeff

In article ,
Jeff Thies wrote:

I've been hand watering the young plants, but I think it's time to
set up the drip irrigation for the year. The cucurbits look like they
are ready to take off and the temps are in the 80's.

It seems to me that every other plant is going to be more tolerant of
how it is watered than the cukes. At least that's my experience! I have
a Rain Drip single time/frequency timer.

I wonder if I should water early, or just before the day heats up,
perhaps 10 AM. Or should I get a timer that lets you set more than one
specific time per day and water some in the afternoon when they are
getting beat on. I'll be away for a while, so I'd like to program the
best guess in. The soil seems to have average drainage and moisture
retention. Not too heavy and with some humus to loosen it up a bit. Much
better than last year when it was denser. Down 10" there is still a lot
of red clay.

Jeff

I like to water mid-morning, and get the plants hydrated before the
afternoon heat. How often do you water your plants and are your plants
mulched?
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- Billy
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merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
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Billy wrote:
In article ,
Jeff Thies wrote:

I've been hand watering the young plants, but I think it's time to
set up the drip irrigation for the year. The cucurbits look like they
are ready to take off and the temps are in the 80's.

It seems to me that every other plant is going to be more tolerant of
how it is watered than the cukes. At least that's my experience! I have
a Rain Drip single time/frequency timer.

I wonder if I should water early, or just before the day heats up,
perhaps 10 AM. Or should I get a timer that lets you set more than one
specific time per day and water some in the afternoon when they are
getting beat on. I'll be away for a while, so I'd like to program the
best guess in. The soil seems to have average drainage and moisture
retention. Not too heavy and with some humus to loosen it up a bit. Much
better than last year when it was denser. Down 10" there is still a lot
of red clay.

Jeff

I like to water mid-morning, and get the plants hydrated before the
afternoon heat. How often do you water your plants and are your plants
mulched?

A thin layer of cypress blend mulch (light color). It's rained a good
bit lately, otherwise a drink in the morning and more later if they look
a bit droopy, not uncommon. But that is all handwatering about a half
gallon/plant. That seems like a lot to me for such young plants.

I think I'll set up the 1 gph drippers for 20 minutes, mid morning
tomorrow, and see what it looks like later.

I put in the drippers last year after the plants were full grown. I
was thinking that a young plant needs less water, but now I wonder if
the amount should be about the same as for a grown plant, as it's the
ground that needs to be moist.

On another note, it has been a fabulous year for flowers. The irises
have been standouts as were the azaleas and dogwoods. Hydrangeas that
did little last year are growing fast and roses that hid mostly last
year are in full bloom. Perhaps the very cold and wet winter...

Jeff

Jeff Thies wrote:
Billy wrote:
In article ,
Jeff Thies wrote:

I've been hand watering the young plants, but I think it's time
to set up the drip irrigation for the year. The cucurbits look like
they are ready to take off and the temps are in the 80's.

It seems to me that every other plant is going to be more
tolerant of how it is watered than the cukes. At least that's my
experience! I have a Rain Drip single time/frequency timer.

I wonder if I should water early, or just before the day heats up,
perhaps 10 AM. Or should I get a timer that lets you set more than
one specific time per day and water some in the afternoon when they
are getting beat on. I'll be away for a while, so I'd like to
program the best guess in. The soil seems to have average drainage
and moisture retention. Not too heavy and with some humus to loosen
it up a bit. Much better than last year when it was denser. Down
10" there is still a lot of red clay.

Jeff

I like to water mid-morning, and get the plants hydrated before the
afternoon heat. How often do you water your plants and are your
plants mulched?

A thin layer of cypress blend mulch (light color). It's rained a good
bit lately, otherwise a drink in the morning and more later if they
look a bit droopy, not uncommon. But that is all handwatering about a
half gallon/plant. That seems like a lot to me for such young plants.


Don't guess, test. The amount you need to apply will change as the plant
grows and the season develops.

I think I'll set up the 1 gph drippers for 20 minutes, mid morning
tomorrow, and see what it looks like later.

I put in the drippers last year after the plants were full grown. I
was thinking that a young plant needs less water, but now I wonder if
the amount should be about the same as for a grown plant, as it's the
ground that needs to be moist.


You need to re-check moisture for cucurbits fairly often as the weather
changes. If it is hot and dry (and windy) they can wilt through excessive
evapotranspiration even if the soil is moist because the roots and stem
cannot transport water fast enough for the large leaves. If it turns mild
and humid (cloudy) they will need far less water.

They have quite deep roots (particularly pumpkins) so you can aid this by
using fewer deep waterings than many shallow ones. The roots will go deeper
and tap into subsoil moisture making the plants more resilient. The deep
roots will in turn open up the soil in time.

Also allow the nodal roots to take in the soil, this improves growth overall
and to some extent insulates the plant against stem damage, stem borers and
the transport problems mentioned. Given enough room using this system the
plant can become so huge that you prune it with a ride-on mower and fill
wheelbarrows with fruit.


David

David Hare-Scott wrote:
Jeff Thies wrote:
Billy wrote:
In article ,
Jeff Thies wrote:

I've been hand watering the young plants, but I think it's time
to set up the drip irrigation for the year. The cucurbits look like
they are ready to take off and the temps are in the 80's.

It seems to me that every other plant is going to be more
tolerant of how it is watered than the cukes. At least that's my
experience! I have a Rain Drip single time/frequency timer.

I wonder if I should water early, or just before the day heats up,
perhaps 10 AM. Or should I get a timer that lets you set more than
one specific time per day and water some in the afternoon when they
are getting beat on. I'll be away for a while, so I'd like to
program the best guess in. The soil seems to have average drainage
and moisture retention. Not too heavy and with some humus to loosen
it up a bit. Much better than last year when it was denser. Down
10" there is still a lot of red clay.

Jeff

I like to water mid-morning, and get the plants hydrated before the
afternoon heat. How often do you water your plants and are your
plants mulched?

A thin layer of cypress blend mulch (light color). It's rained a good
bit lately, otherwise a drink in the morning and more later if they
look a bit droopy, not uncommon. But that is all handwatering about a
half gallon/plant. That seems like a lot to me for such young plants.


Don't guess, test. The amount you need to apply will change as the
plant grows and the season develops.

I think I'll set up the 1 gph drippers for 20 minutes, mid morning
tomorrow, and see what it looks like later.

I put in the drippers last year after the plants were full grown. I
was thinking that a young plant needs less water, but now I wonder if
the amount should be about the same as for a grown plant, as it's the
ground that needs to be moist.


You need to re-check moisture for cucurbits fairly often as the weather
changes. If it is hot and dry (and windy) they can wilt through
excessive evapotranspiration even if the soil is moist because the roots
and stem cannot transport water fast enough for the large leaves.

This sounds like the same kind of issue that hydrangeas have. They have
big leaves and really suffer in the sun. It took me years to figure that
out and move them into the shade! I guess carrots are on the other end.


If it
turns mild and humid (cloudy) they will need far less water.

They have quite deep roots (particularly pumpkins) so you can aid this
by using fewer deep waterings than many shallow ones. The roots will go
deeper and tap into subsoil moisture making the plants more resilient.
The deep roots will in turn open up the soil in time.

I'll try doubling up and running every other day. Having just wired
up the irrigation for the plants at hand, I'll start the timer tomorrow
and customize it until I need to leave. I *was* thinking more often, but
I'll go with less and deeper and the soil will improve also, otherwise
I'll be playing catch up all season.

Also allow the nodal roots to take in the soil,

I remember this being talked about last year. As I recall I just have to
bury a node. I suppose I should put a dripper there.

this improves growth
overall and to some extent insulates the plant against stem damage, stem
borers and the transport problems mentioned. Given enough room using
this system the plant can become so huge that you prune it with a
ride-on mower and fill wheelbarrows with fruit.

Oh boy! I'd really like to get some Honey Dews this year too. The seeds
were hard to find in the stores, and the variety I got simply said "green".

Any advice on that powdery mildew that affects the leaves? Baking
soda? I know this will be a problem later. Our current thinking here is
to cut off the bad parts.

Thanks,
Jeff


David

In article ,
Jeff Thies wrote:

David Hare-Scott wrote:
Jeff Thies wrote:
Billy wrote:
In article ,
Jeff Thies wrote:

I've been hand watering the young plants, but I think it's time
to set up the drip irrigation for the year. The cucurbits look like
they are ready to take off and the temps are in the 80's.

It seems to me that every other plant is going to be more
tolerant of how it is watered than the cukes. At least that's my
experience! I have a Rain Drip single time/frequency timer.

I wonder if I should water early, or just before the day heats up,
perhaps 10 AM. Or should I get a timer that lets you set more than
one specific time per day and water some in the afternoon when they
are getting beat on. I'll be away for a while, so I'd like to
program the best guess in. The soil seems to have average drainage
and moisture retention. Not too heavy and with some humus to loosen
it up a bit. Much better than last year when it was denser. Down
10" there is still a lot of red clay.

Jeff

I like to water mid-morning, and get the plants hydrated before the
afternoon heat. How often do you water your plants and are your
plants mulched?

A thin layer of cypress blend mulch (light color). It's rained a good
bit lately, otherwise a drink in the morning and more later if they
look a bit droopy, not uncommon. But that is all handwatering about a
half gallon/plant. That seems like a lot to me for such young plants.


Don't guess, test. The amount you need to apply will change as the
plant grows and the season develops.

I think I'll set up the 1 gph drippers for 20 minutes, mid morning
tomorrow, and see what it looks like later.

I put in the drippers last year after the plants were full grown. I
was thinking that a young plant needs less water, but now I wonder if
the amount should be about the same as for a grown plant, as it's the
ground that needs to be moist.


You need to re-check moisture for cucurbits fairly often as the weather
changes. If it is hot and dry (and windy) they can wilt through
excessive evapotranspiration even if the soil is moist because the roots
and stem cannot transport water fast enough for the large leaves.

This sounds like the same kind of issue that hydrangeas have. They have
big leaves and really suffer in the sun. It took me years to figure that
out and move them into the shade! I guess carrots are on the other end.


If it
turns mild and humid (cloudy) they will need far less water.

They have quite deep roots (particularly pumpkins) so you can aid this
by using fewer deep waterings than many shallow ones. The roots will go
deeper and tap into subsoil moisture making the plants more resilient.
The deep roots will in turn open up the soil in time.

I'll try doubling up and running every other day. Having just wired
up the irrigation for the plants at hand, I'll start the timer tomorrow
and customize it until I need to leave. I *was* thinking more often, but
I'll go with less and deeper and the soil will improve also, otherwise
I'll be playing catch up all season.

Also allow the nodal roots to take in the soil,

I remember this being talked about last year. As I recall I just have to
bury a node. I suppose I should put a dripper there.

this improves growth
overall and to some extent insulates the plant against stem damage, stem
borers and the transport problems mentioned. Given enough room using
this system the plant can become so huge that you prune it with a
ride-on mower and fill wheelbarrows with fruit.

Oh boy! I'd really like to get some Honey Dews this year too. The seeds
were hard to find in the stores, and the variety I got simply said "green".

Any advice on that powdery mildew that affects the leaves? Baking
soda? I know this will be a problem later. Our current thinking here is
to cut off the bad parts.

Thanks,
Jeff


David

Just don't get the leaves wet, and everything will take care of itself.
--
- Billy
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arn3lF5XSUg
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Zinn/HZinn_page.html