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Different soil in the garden
Do any of you go as far as having different soil mixes for different plants
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Different soil in the garden
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 01:10:48 -0500, "DogDiesel"
wrote: Do any of you go as far as having different soil mixes for different plants in the garden. ? Diesel. If you are talking about annual vegetables probably not worth it. You need to practice crop rotation and I don't know how you would do that with specific soils in each area. But yes if you are prepping for long term plants like asparagus or rhubarb. -- USA North Carolina Foothills USDA Zone 7a |
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"DogDiesel" wrote in
: Do any of you go as far as having different soil mixes for different plants in the garden. ? Diesel. Yes, For example people usually add manure/compost when planting potatoes, add lime for bressicas etc. Or have I got the question wrong? I often do. Baz |
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"Baz" wrote in message ... "DogDiesel" wrote in : Do any of you go as far as having different soil mixes for different plants in the garden. ? Diesel. Yes, For example people usually add manure/compost when planting potatoes, add lime for bressicas etc. Or have I got the question wrong? I often do. Baz Its all good, that's what I meant. |
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"DogDiesel" wrote in
: "Baz" wrote in message ... "DogDiesel" wrote in : Do any of you go as far as having different soil mixes for different plants in the garden. ? Diesel. Yes, For example people usually add manure/compost when planting potatoes, add lime for bressicas etc. Or have I got the question wrong? I often do. Baz Its all good, that's what I meant. Diesel, nice I got it right, What are you going to grow this year? I'm no expert but there are loads here who know what to add and what not to. You could Google for answers but in my experience you will get lots of duff advice from a few sites and then distrust everything you read! I know you are not a rookie but you should, if you do not already, compost everything you can, and take the time to look after it so that it will be useful when it all rots down. Kitchen waste(not meat or anything cooked), garden foliage including lawn mowings, leaves, cardboard, paper, cut flowers, fruit you forgot to eat, veg in the fridge you let go soft and so on are perfect. Not many people have chickens yet(give it a couple of years and they will) but their droppings are very good for the compost heap. DO NOT USE CAT OR DOG MUCK or any other meat eating animals muck. Yuk. Apparently and of course they contain microbes harmful to some human organs, mostly the eyes and liver. I hope this has been helpful to you Baz |
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Baz wrote:
"DogDiesel" wrote in : "Baz" wrote in message ... "DogDiesel" wrote in : Do any of you go as far as having different soil mixes for different plants in the garden. ? Diesel. Yes, For example people usually add manure/compost when planting potatoes, add lime for bressicas etc. Or have I got the question wrong? I often do. Baz Its all good, that's what I meant. Diesel, nice I got it right, What are you going to grow this year? I'm no expert but there are loads here who know what to add and what not to. You could Google for answers but in my experience you will get lots of duff advice from a few sites and then distrust everything you read! I know you are not a rookie but you should, if you do not already, compost everything you can, and take the time to look after it so that it will be useful when it all rots down. Kitchen waste(not meat or anything cooked), garden foliage including lawn mowings, leaves, cardboard, paper, cut flowers, fruit you forgot to eat, veg in the fridge you let go soft and so on are perfect. Not many people have chickens yet(give it a couple of years and they will) but their droppings are very good for the compost heap. DO NOT USE CAT OR DOG MUCK or any other meat eating animals muck. Yuk. Apparently and of course they contain microbes harmful to some human organs, mostly the eyes and liver. I hope this has been helpful to you Baz For the vegetable gardens in raised beds and on the ground, I tend to have a light looser soil that is at least a foot deep. For trees and shrubs I tend to use the soil that is already there, mostly clay, but I do drill holes at the drip line of the trees and shrubs for water and some fertilizers. For containers that are outside I tend to use potting soil. Soil that is near the base of my home is sandy for drainage. Compost goes on everything except grass. I rob Peter ( grass clippings ) to pay Paul the vegetable garden. Flower cuttings, kitchen scraps, Straw and chicken poop goes in the compost as well. My lawn is not the best looking in the world but slowly getting better. The veggies are tasty thou. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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Nad R wrote in
: For the vegetable gardens in raised beds and on the ground, I tend to have a light looser soil that is at least a foot deep. For trees and shrubs I tend to use the soil that is already there, mostly clay, but I do drill holes at the drip line of the trees and shrubs for water and some fertilizers. For containers that are outside I tend to use potting soil. Soil that is near the base of my home is sandy for drainage. Compost goes on everything except grass. I rob Peter ( grass clippings ) to pay Paul the vegetable garden. Flower cuttings, kitchen scraps, Straw and chicken poop goes in the compost as well. My lawn is not the best looking in the world but slowly getting better. The veggies are tasty thou. You seem to have it all sorted, Nad. Wish I had. How did you start out? I mean from the start, from your idea to where you are now. Baz |
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In article ,
Baz wrote: "DogDiesel" wrote in : Do any of you go as far as having different soil mixes for different plants in the garden. ? Diesel. Yes, For example people usually add manure/compost when planting potatoes, add lime for bressicas etc. Or have I got the question wrong? I often do. Baz http://fieldcrop.msu.edu/documents/E2893.pdf Adding manure directly before planting can increase risk of disease, such as common scab (Streptomyces scabie) in potato. Consider carefully manure effects and disease potential before incorporating manure in the spring. Composted manure will generally be much safer and reduce disease risk. -- - Billy ³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.² -Archbishop Helder Camara http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html 20111812130964689.html |
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"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , Baz wrote: "DogDiesel" wrote in : Do any of you go as far as having different soil mixes for different plants in the garden. ? Diesel. Yes, For example people usually add manure/compost when planting potatoes, add lime for bressicas etc. Or have I got the question wrong? I often do. Baz http://fieldcrop.msu.edu/documents/E2893.pdf Adding manure directly before planting can increase risk of disease, such as common scab (Streptomyces scabie) in potato. Consider carefully manure effects and disease potential before incorporating manure in the spring. Composted manure will generally be much safer and reduce disease risk. -- - Billy Thanks Billy. What timing. I was just thinking of adding manure from Tractor supply. I was going to dump it in the snow. For Spring. If you put a lot of it in the composter bin. Will it make composting stop. Will it Burn it or something. Diesel. ³When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.² -Archbishop Helder Camara http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html 20111812130964689.html |
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"DogDiesel" wrote:
"Billy" wrote in message ... In article , Baz wrote: "DogDiesel" wrote in : Do any of you go as far as having different soil mixes for different plants in the garden. ? Diesel. Yes, For example people usually add manure/compost when planting potatoes, add lime for bressicas etc. Or have I got the question wrong? I often do. Baz http://fieldcrop.msu.edu/documents/E2893.pdf Adding manure directly before planting can increase risk of disease, such as common scab (Streptomyces scabie) in potato. Consider carefully manure effects and disease potential before incorporating manure in the spring. Composted manure will generally be much safer and reduce disease risk. -- - Billy Thanks Billy. What timing. I was just thinking of adding manure from Tractor supply. I was going to dump it in the snow. For Spring. If you put a lot of it in the composter bin. Will it make composting stop. Will it Burn it or something. Diesel. Manure from the stores are typically sterilized. If so, it can be used immediately in the garden. Most bags of compost/manure sold in stores are mostly sterilized animal manure. Plant compost is the GOLD that most gardeners want and is the best and not typically sold in stores, got to make your own. Look on the bag for NPK amount it is usually around .5 for each of the NPK values. However, fresh animal manures need time in the sun to dry before using in the compost piles or directly in the garden. Not a good thing to put down fresh animal manure 90 days before planting, 180 days before harvest. I would not put down fresh animal manure on wet ground or snow. Putting fresh animal manure on wet areas may cause liquifying of the manure and cause contamination of local well and water systems. But if your buying your compost at a store it is probably sterilized and safe to use as you wish. -- Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan) |
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In article ,
Nad R wrote: "DogDiesel" wrote: "Billy" wrote in message ... In article , Baz wrote: "DogDiesel" wrote in : Do any of you go as far as having different soil mixes for different plants in the garden. ? Diesel. Yes, For example people usually add manure/compost when planting potatoes, add lime for bressicas etc. Or have I got the question wrong? I often do. Baz http://fieldcrop.msu.edu/documents/E2893.pdf Adding manure directly before planting can increase risk of disease, such as common scab (Streptomyces scabie) in potato. Consider carefully manure effects and disease potential before incorporating manure in the spring. Composted manure will generally be much safer and reduce disease risk. -- - Billy Thanks Billy. What timing. I was just thinking of adding manure from Tractor supply. I was going to dump it in the snow. For Spring. If you put a lot of it in the composter bin. Will it make composting stop. Will it Burn it or something. Diesel. Manure from the stores are typically sterilized. If so, it can be used immediately in the garden. Most bags of compost/manure sold in stores are mostly sterilized animal manure. Plant compost is the GOLD that most gardeners want and is the best and not typically sold in stores, got to make your own. Look on the bag for NPK amount it is usually around .5 for each of the NPK values. However, fresh animal manures need time in the sun to dry before using in the compost piles or directly in the garden. Not a good thing to put down fresh animal manure 90 days before planting, 180 days before harvest. I would not put down fresh animal manure on wet ground or snow. Putting fresh animal manure on wet areas may cause liquifying of the manure and cause contamination of local well and water systems. But if your buying your compost at a store it is probably sterilized and safe to use as you wish. To be on the safe side follow Dan's (Nad's) advice, which I'm sure was meant to be "put down fresh animal manure 90 days before planting, 180 days before harvest." Cornell agrees as well http://www.gardening.cornell.edu/factsheets/orgmatter/index.html I was sure that I had a reference to using fresh fertilizer with plants (Fran and David apparently do), but I can't seem to find it. IIRC the trick was not to splash water, which would transport the pathogens, onto the edible parts of the plant in question. Such is my memory, but I would follow the above advice until such time as there is a more definitive answer. Fran (FarmI) and I had a chin wag about this once and she came up with http://books.google.com.au/books?id=...lpg=PA123&dq=N PK+%22fresh+manure%22&source=web&ots=40vqJHGGn4&si g=i3jd5aL_vv2kQE0cegX6u vfsoe8&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=resul t It says of fresh vs rotted/aged manure that: i) in the composting process, manure can lose up to half it's moisture content and thus concentrate nutrients ii) nitrogen in composted manure is fixed whereas in fresh, it's soluble iii) solubility of P and K is greater in composted manure and on P.125 it says that 'when manure is added directly to the soil, it generally releases highly soluble nitrates that behave similarly to chemical fertilisers, as well as ammonia, which can burn plant roots and interfere with seed germination.' Just so's you know, it is done both ways, but prudence must be used. Adding manure to a garden in the winter where there is a good chance of run-off, can lead to pollution of ground water, navigable waters, and wells. -- - Billy “When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist.†-Archbishop Helder Camara http://peace.mennolink.org/articles/...acegroups.html http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...130964689.html 20111812130964689.html |
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DogDiesel wrote:
Do any of you go as far as having different soil mixes for different plants in the garden. ? Diesel. Yes. For shrubs and perenials I will vary the amount of amendments to suit the plant. So I have areas that are limed more heavily because the plants like the pH higher, I have some things in tubs of sandy soil becasue they wouldn't survive the drainage difficulties in my clay-based soil. For annuals I fertilise gross feeders (eg corn) much more heavily than others. David |
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