This is a follow on to the thread I started earlier about planting
birdseed. Cheap birdseed is a mixture of desirable (like sunflower) and
undesirable (like thistle) seeds so perhaps it makes more sense to plant
specific seeds that produce bee friendly flowers.

Besides sunflowers, what other cheap seeds will produce flowering plants
that bees will find attractive. The goal would be to have flowers
throughout from spring and summer, and into the fall if possible, that
will attract and support the local bee population. If you were a bee
checking the Bee OpenTable for restaurants, what would you like to see on
the menu?

General Schvantzkoph wrote:
This is a follow on to the thread I started earlier about planting
birdseed. Cheap birdseed is a mixture of desirable (like sunflower) and
undesirable (like thistle) seeds so perhaps it makes more sense to plant
specific seeds that produce bee friendly flowers.

Besides sunflowers, what other cheap seeds will produce flowering plants
that bees will find attractive. The goal would be to have flowers
throughout from spring and summer, and into the fall if possible, that
will attract and support the local bee population. If you were a bee
checking the Bee OpenTable for restaurants, what would you like to see on
the menu?

http://nature.berkeley.edu/urbanbeegardens/

Bees need plants that flower though out the season. Dandelions are
typically the first to flower. Clover is is a good one also. Sun flowers
are nice, but they will destroy all other plants within six feet, plant sun
flowers in an area by themselves. Sunflowers in the future are hard to get
rid off, they are good at reseeding themselves year after year. I would go
with a few fruit trees too, not cheap tho. The veggie garden works well for
the mid summer. Bees like water also, put a few floating corks in the bird
bath for them to rest on. Google "bee friendly plants". Their are plants
that flower in the fall, off hand I cannot think of them, perhaps "black
eyed Susan"?


Avoid pesticides of all kinds, especially for the lawn! Let the dandelions
and clover grown in your lawn. When the grass is mowed, it will still look
green.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

"General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message
...
This is a follow on to the thread I started earlier about planting
birdseed. Cheap birdseed is a mixture of desirable (like sunflower) and
undesirable (like thistle) seeds so perhaps it makes more sense to plant
specific seeds that produce bee friendly flowers.

Besides sunflowers, what other cheap seeds will produce flowering plants
that bees will find attractive. The goal would be to have flowers
throughout from spring and summer, and into the fall if possible, that
will attract and support the local bee population. If you were a bee
checking the Bee OpenTable for restaurants, what would you like to see on
the menu?


Have a look at Monarda (bee balm). Budlea(butterfly bush) is a woody shrub,
but it self sows freely. Don't turn the henbit under until the bees get a
chance at it. Bees love mint flowers but it taints the honey. The plant that
covers more of the season is clover. Add some white Dutch seeds to your
lawn, toss some tall clover seed into those edge areas along with the
buckwheat. Having bees visit your property means larger crops.

On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:30:06 -0400, Steve Peek wrote:

"General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message
...
This is a follow on to the thread I started earlier about planting
birdseed. Cheap birdseed is a mixture of desirable (like sunflower) and
undesirable (like thistle) seeds so perhaps it makes more sense to
plant specific seeds that produce bee friendly flowers.

Besides sunflowers, what other cheap seeds will produce flowering
plants that bees will find attractive. The goal would be to have
flowers throughout from spring and summer, and into the fall if
possible, that will attract and support the local bee population. If
you were a bee checking the Bee OpenTable for restaurants, what would
you like to see on the menu?


Have a look at Monarda (bee balm). Budlea(butterfly bush) is a woody
shrub, but it self sows freely. Don't turn the henbit under until the
bees get a chance at it. Bees love mint flowers but it taints the honey.
The plant that covers more of the season is clover. Add some white Dutch
seeds to your lawn, toss some tall clover seed into those edge areas
along with the buckwheat. Having bees visit your property means larger
crops.

I've ordered a couple of pounds each of white dutch clover and red clover
from Amazon, I'll spread it on my lawn when the snow melts.

In article ,
Nad R wrote:

General Schvantzkoph wrote:
This is a follow on to the thread I started earlier about planting
birdseed. Cheap birdseed is a mixture of desirable (like sunflower) and
undesirable (like thistle) seeds so perhaps it makes more sense to plant
specific seeds that produce bee friendly flowers.

Besides sunflowers, what other cheap seeds will produce flowering plants
that bees will find attractive. The goal would be to have flowers
throughout from spring and summer, and into the fall if possible, that
will attract and support the local bee population. If you were a bee
checking the Bee OpenTable for restaurants, what would you like to see on
the menu?

http://nature.berkeley.edu/urbanbeegardens/

Bees need plants that flower though out the season. Dandelions are
typically the first to flower. Clover is is a good one also. Sun flowers
are nice, but they will destroy all other plants within six feet,
I haven't found that to be true. They cohabitate with my potatoes,
parsnips, and curcubits with no problem. I've never had negative
interactions between sunflowers and other plants.

(with a nod to the news)
Sunflowers can be used to extract toxic ingredients from soil, such as
lead, arsenic and uranium. They were used to remove cesium-137 and
strontium-90 from a nearby pond after the Chernobyl disaster[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflower#Cultivation_and_uses

And don't forget to mask tape your windows ;O))
plant sun
flowers in an area by themselves. Sunflowers in the future are hard to get
rid off, they are good at reseeding themselves year after year. I would go
with a few fruit trees too, not cheap tho. The veggie garden works well for
the mid summer. Bees like water also, put a few floating corks in the bird
bath for them to rest on. Google "bee friendly plants". Their are plants
that flower in the fall, off hand I cannot think of them, perhaps "black
eyed Susan"?


Avoid pesticides of all kinds, especially for the lawn! Let the dandelions
and clover grown in your lawn. When the grass is mowed, it will still look
green.
--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI
http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2011/3/7/michael_moore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkDikRLQrw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw

In article
,
Billy wrote:


And don't forget to mask tape your windows ;O))

Fingers crossed till it hurts.

--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden

http://uppitywis.org/ live WI

General Schvantzkoph wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:30:06 -0400, Steve Peek wrote:

"General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message
...
This is a follow on to the thread I started earlier about planting
birdseed. Cheap birdseed is a mixture of desirable (like sunflower)
and undesirable (like thistle) seeds so perhaps it makes more sense
to plant specific seeds that produce bee friendly flowers.

Besides sunflowers, what other cheap seeds will produce flowering
plants that bees will find attractive. The goal would be to have
flowers throughout from spring and summer, and into the fall if
possible, that will attract and support the local bee population. If
you were a bee checking the Bee OpenTable for restaurants, what
would you like to see on the menu?


Have a look at Monarda (bee balm). Budlea(butterfly bush) is a woody
shrub, but it self sows freely. Don't turn the henbit under until the
bees get a chance at it. Bees love mint flowers but it taints the
honey. The plant that covers more of the season is clover. Add some
white Dutch seeds to your lawn, toss some tall clover seed into
those edge areas along with the buckwheat. Having bees visit your
property means larger crops.

I've ordered a couple of pounds each of white dutch clover and red
clover from Amazon, I'll spread it on my lawn when the snow melts.

Good idea. At my place in the spring the clover flowers (if we have rain)
and the whole place hums, I mean that literally.

D

Billy wrote:

I haven't found that to be true. They cohabitate with my potatoes,
parsnips, and curcubits with no problem. I've never had negative
interactions between sunflowers and other plants.

I found sunflower roots to be shallow and not deep. Perhaps due my poor
soil conditions and I am taking the slow and low cost to soil improvement.
We are talking about those six foot types?

I imagine every plant does have companion plants. I never thought about
root crops like potatoes and parsnips. All of my root veggies are all in
raised beds. Sunflowers stalks are like corn, so low vine like crops would
also make a good companion. But then squash are very hardy plants. So I
stand corrected once again

However, if planting Sun Flowers I would lookup for companion plants. I
will still say there are plants like tomatoes that will not work next to
Sun Flowers.

(with a nod to the news)
Sunflowers can be used to extract toxic ingredients from soil, such as
lead, arsenic and uranium. They were used to remove cesium-137 and
strontium-90 from a nearby pond after the Chernobyl disaster[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflower#Cultivation_and_uses

And don't forget to mask tape your windows ;O))

Then look out for the price of sun flowers seeds and masking tape to go
through the roof. Japan will be buying a lot of seeds and tape. If they
absorb toxins, will the seeds be safe to eat?

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

General Schvantzkoph wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:30:06 -0400, Steve Peek wrote:

"General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message
...
This is a follow on to the thread I started earlier about planting
birdseed. Cheap birdseed is a mixture of desirable (like sunflower) and
undesirable (like thistle) seeds so perhaps it makes more sense to
plant specific seeds that produce bee friendly flowers.

Besides sunflowers, what other cheap seeds will produce flowering
plants that bees will find attractive. The goal would be to have
flowers throughout from spring and summer, and into the fall if
possible, that will attract and support the local bee population. If
you were a bee checking the Bee OpenTable for restaurants, what would
you like to see on the menu?


Have a look at Monarda (bee balm). Budlea(butterfly bush) is a woody
shrub, but it self sows freely. Don't turn the henbit under until the
bees get a chance at it. Bees love mint flowers but it taints the honey.
The plant that covers more of the season is clover. Add some white Dutch
seeds to your lawn, toss some tall clover seed into those edge areas
along with the buckwheat. Having bees visit your property means larger
crops.

I've ordered a couple of pounds each of white dutch clover and red clover
from Amazon, I'll spread it on my lawn when the snow melts.

it will no longer be a lawn. It will be called a meadow.

--
Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)

In article ,
Nad R wrote:

Billy wrote:

I haven't found that to be true. They cohabitate with my potatoes,
parsnips, and curcubits with no problem. I've never had negative
interactions between sunflowers and other plants.

I found sunflower roots to be shallow and not deep. Perhaps due my poor
soil conditions and I am taking the slow and low cost to soil improvement.
We are talking about those six foot types?

I imagine every plant does have companion plants. I never thought about
root crops like potatoes and parsnips. All of my root veggies are all in
raised beds. Sunflowers stalks are like corn, so low vine like crops would
also make a good companion. But then squash are very hardy plants. So I
stand corrected once again

However, if planting Sun Flowers I would lookup for companion plants. I
will still say there are plants like tomatoes that will not work next to
Sun Flowers.

(with a nod to the news)
Sunflowers can be used to extract toxic ingredients from soil, such as
lead, arsenic and uranium. They were used to remove cesium-137 and
strontium-90 from a nearby pond after the Chernobyl disaster[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflower#Cultivation_and_uses

And don't forget to mask tape your windows ;O))

Then look out for the price of sun flowers seeds and masking tape to go
through the roof. Japan will be buying a lot of seeds and tape. If they
absorb toxins, will the seeds be safe to eat?

You can serve them with melamine and cyanuric acid =:Oo

===
--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI
http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2011/3/7/michael_moore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkDikRLQrw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw

In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:


And don't forget to mask tape your windows ;O))

Fingers crossed till it hurts.

Make it hurt worse. I'm watching News Line NHK and they are reporting
radiation leaks. So far they are telling people not to panic, but to
leave the area as fast as possible =:Oo
--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI
http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2011/3/7/michael_moore
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkDikRLQrw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyE5wjc4XOw

On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:43:59 +0000, Nad R wrote:

General Schvantzkoph wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:30:06 -0400, Steve Peek wrote:

"General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message
...
This is a follow on to the thread I started earlier about planting
birdseed. Cheap birdseed is a mixture of desirable (like sunflower)
and undesirable (like thistle) seeds so perhaps it makes more sense
to plant specific seeds that produce bee friendly flowers.

Besides sunflowers, what other cheap seeds will produce flowering
plants that bees will find attractive. The goal would be to have
flowers throughout from spring and summer, and into the fall if
possible, that will attract and support the local bee population. If
you were a bee checking the Bee OpenTable for restaurants, what would
you like to see on the menu?


Have a look at Monarda (bee balm). Budlea(butterfly bush) is a woody
shrub, but it self sows freely. Don't turn the henbit under until the
bees get a chance at it. Bees love mint flowers but it taints the
honey. The plant that covers more of the season is clover. Add some
white Dutch seeds to your lawn, toss some tall clover seed into those
edge areas along with the buckwheat. Having bees visit your property
means larger crops.

I've ordered a couple of pounds each of white dutch clover and red
clover from Amazon, I'll spread it on my lawn when the snow melts.

it will no longer be a lawn. It will be called a meadow.

Fine by me.

On 15 Mar 2011 03:02:26 GMT, General Schvantzkoph
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:43:59 +0000, Nad R wrote:

General Schvantzkoph wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:30:06 -0400, Steve Peek wrote:

"General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message
...
This is a follow on to the thread I started earlier about planting
birdseed. Cheap birdseed is a mixture of desirable (like sunflower)
and undesirable (like thistle) seeds so perhaps it makes more sense
to plant specific seeds that produce bee friendly flowers.

Besides sunflowers, what other cheap seeds will produce flowering
plants that bees will find attractive. The goal would be to have
flowers throughout from spring and summer, and into the fall if
possible, that will attract and support the local bee population. If
you were a bee checking the Bee OpenTable for restaurants, what would
you like to see on the menu?


Have a look at Monarda (bee balm). Budlea(butterfly bush) is a woody
shrub, but it self sows freely. Don't turn the henbit under until the
bees get a chance at it. Bees love mint flowers but it taints the
honey. The plant that covers more of the season is clover. Add some
white Dutch seeds to your lawn, toss some tall clover seed into those
edge areas along with the buckwheat. Having bees visit your property
means larger crops.

I've ordered a couple of pounds each of white dutch clover and red
clover from Amazon, I'll spread it on my lawn when the snow melts.

it will no longer be a lawn. It will be called a meadow.

Fine by me.

I've grown zinnia's along with sunflowers and the bees really like
them. I've found a bee asleep on a zinnia bloom more than once in the
early morning hours. Grew cosmos last year and that was popular too.
And okra - many creatures love okra.

wrote in message
...
On 15 Mar 2011 03:02:26 GMT, General Schvantzkoph
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:43:59 +0000, Nad R wrote:

General Schvantzkoph wrote:
On Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:30:06 -0400, Steve Peek wrote:

"General Schvantzkoph" wrote in message
...
This is a follow on to the thread I started earlier about planting
birdseed. Cheap birdseed is a mixture of desirable (like sunflower)
and undesirable (like thistle) seeds so perhaps it makes more sense
to plant specific seeds that produce bee friendly flowers.

Besides sunflowers, what other cheap seeds will produce flowering
plants that bees will find attractive. The goal would be to have
flowers throughout from spring and summer, and into the fall if
possible, that will attract and support the local bee population. If
you were a bee checking the Bee OpenTable for restaurants, what would
you like to see on the menu?


Have a look at Monarda (bee balm). Budlea(butterfly bush) is a woody
shrub, but it self sows freely. Don't turn the henbit under until the
bees get a chance at it. Bees love mint flowers but it taints the
honey. The plant that covers more of the season is clover. Add some
white Dutch seeds to your lawn, toss some tall clover seed into those
edge areas along with the buckwheat. Having bees visit your property
means larger crops.

I've ordered a couple of pounds each of white dutch clover and red
clover from Amazon, I'll spread it on my lawn when the snow melts.

it will no longer be a lawn. It will be called a meadow.

Fine by me.

I've grown zinnia's along with sunflowers and the bees really like
them. I've found a bee asleep on a zinnia bloom more than once in the
early morning hours. Grew cosmos last year and that was popular too.
And okra - many creatures love okra.

I've found that my bees highly prize the blossoms from the mustard & turnips
that overwintered. Also, who could forget the squash family? I commonly see
3-5 bees per blossom in the morning.

In article
,
Billy wrote:

In article ,
Bill who putters wrote:

In article
,
Billy wrote:


And don't forget to mask tape your windows ;O))

Fingers crossed till it hurts.

Make it hurt worse. I'm watching News Line NHK and they are reporting
radiation leaks. So far they are telling people not to panic, but to
leave the area as fast as possible =:Oo

Read that Russia has okayed extra fuel to Japan and that this act of
goodwill my loosen up their relations when this is calmed down. Big +

Also read 1923 tsunami in Japan had MAJOR impact on formatting WWII.
Maybe a -
.................
Found

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/

Which Had


Black Swan events over the past decade
€ Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon;
€ 78% decline in the Nasdaq;
€ 2003 European heat wave (40,000 deaths);
€ 2004 Tsunami in Sumatra, Indonesia (230,000 deaths);
€ 2005 Kashmir, Pakistan, earthquake (80,000 deaths)
€ 2008 Myanmar cyclone (140,000 deaths);
€ 2008 Sichuan, China, earthquake ( 68,000 deaths);
€ Derivatives roil the world¹s banking system and financial markets;
€ Failure of Lehman Brothers and the sale/liquidation of Bear Stearns;
€ 30% drop in U.S. home prices;
€* 2010 Port-Au-Prince, Haiti, earthquake (315,000 deaths);
€ 2010 Russian heat wave (56,000 deaths);
€ 2010 BP¹s Gulf of Mexico oil spill;
€ 2010 market flash crash (a 1,000-point drop in the DJIA);
€ Surge of unrest in the Middle East; and
€ Thursday¹s earthquake and tsunami in Japan.

Do you have an emergency plan ready for when things get dicey . . . ?
Why not?
The time to do drills is before the blitz, not after.

.....................
Flooding down under did not make the list wonder why.

--
Bill S. Jersey USA zone 5 shade garden

http://uppitywis.org/ live WI