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On 07/23/2016 05:38 AM, songbird wrote:
T wrote: ... I was looking at the leaves real close and they are suffering from the start of the accursed power mildew. So I soaked the plant yesterday in copper spray. have you looked up the milk spray. i would not use copper regularly. people may say it is organic, but i think it poisons other creatures too much and is accumulative. songbird Got a link to it? The size of the plant is now about 50% larger. |
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On 07/23/2016 05:38 AM, songbird wrote: T wrote: ... I was looking at the leaves real close and they are suffering from the start of the accursed power mildew. So I soaked the plant yesterday in copper spray. have you looked up the milk spray. i would not use copper regularly. people may say it is organic, but i think it poisons other creatures too much and is accumulative. Got a link to it? google them and read away. i would always try the least toxic options first. i did try a bordeau mix on my grape vine to control black rot, but decided that it wasn't worth the bother and took the vine out instead. sometimes you just pick wiser battles. songbird |
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On 07/24/2016 12:48 AM, songbird wrote:
T wrote: On 07/23/2016 05:38 AM, songbird wrote: T wrote: ... I was looking at the leaves real close and they are suffering from the start of the accursed power mildew. So I soaked the plant yesterday in copper spray. have you looked up the milk spray. i would not use copper regularly. people may say it is organic, but i think it poisons other creatures too much and is accumulative. Got a link to it? google them and read away. i would always try the least toxic options first. i did try a bordeau mix on my grape vine to control black rot, but decided that it wasn't worth the bother and took the vine out instead. sometimes you just pick wiser battles. songbird Hi Songbird, I tried Neem oil on them two years in a row. Completely worthless. -T |
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.... I tried Neem oil on them two years in a row. Completely worthless. Neem oil i've only recall being used as an insecticide, i've never used it myself nor read up on it to know... we have too many surrounding host plants for powdery mildew that it makes no sense at all for me to spray for it or care much. we have some plants which get some damage from it, but not enough that i care to fight. the weak milk solution is one that i've heard can help, but only indirectly. instead of fighting with chemicals and single solutions if i were going to do any sort of spraying it would look into brewing my own microbial teas and use those instead. i think a broad mix of bacterial species would be much more effective at giving a plant protection. i've done a fair bit of reading on how various fungi attack plants. certain leaf surface shapes seem to make it easier and that shape can be changed by the presence of bacteria. the only problem is that such things can also backfire and you get a separate infection to deal with which can be just as bad or worse than the powdery mildew. ah, well, good luck, i just keep it simple here. songbird |
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On 07/24/2016 05:34 AM, songbird wrote:
T wrote: ... I tried Neem oil on them two years in a row. Completely worthless. Neem oil i've only recall being used as an insecticide, i've never used it myself nor read up on it to know... we have too many surrounding host plants for powdery mildew that it makes no sense at all for me to spray for it or care much. we have some plants which get some damage from it, but not enough that i care to fight. the weak milk solution is one that i've heard can help, but only indirectly. instead of fighting with chemicals and single solutions if i were going to do any sort of spraying it would look into brewing my own microbial teas and use those instead. i think a broad mix of bacterial species would be much more effective at giving a plant protection. That is probably a tremendous idea. Problem: sometimes you forget just what order of magnitude your skills are above mine. Maybe 1000 to 1. This idea is so, so WAY OVER MY HEAD! Maybe in 30 years, if I should live that long, I will catch up to where you are today (not where you will be in 30 years). :-) i've done a fair bit of reading on how various fungi attack plants. certain leaf surface shapes seem to make it easier and that shape can be changed by the presence of bacteria. the only problem is that such things can also backfire and you get a separate infection to deal with which can be just as bad or worse than the powdery mildew. ah, well, good luck, i just keep it simple here. songbird This is the guy I am using: http://www.bonide.com/products/disea...-fungicide-rtu http://www.bonide.com/assets/Products/Labels/l775.pdf The part that got my attention, besides someone on this group recommending it, was: "for organic production" -T |
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.... That is probably a tremendous idea. Problem: sometimes you forget just what order of magnitude your skills are above mine. Maybe 1000 to 1. This idea is so, so WAY OVER MY HEAD! Maybe in 30 years, if I should live that long, I will catch up to where you are today (not where you will be in 30 years). ok, here it is, simple, you have your special fertilizer you've been using which is from an organic supplier. equipment: bucket, aquarium air pump, hose, air stone, cheese cloth. ingredients: water, compost. method: turn on air pump, add compost to water, let it brew for a while, strain through cheese cloth, use on a few plants, see if it works. brew time a few days to a week. some people add other stuff to the mix like a little molasses, grass or alfalfa, etc. as air pumps are very inexpensive along with the rest of the stuff this is something that can be tried without risking major expense even if it doesn't work. songbird |
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On 07/25/2016 12:45 PM, songbird wrote:
T wrote: ... That is probably a tremendous idea. Problem: sometimes you forget just what order of magnitude your skills are above mine. Maybe 1000 to 1. This idea is so, so WAY OVER MY HEAD! Maybe in 30 years, if I should live that long, I will catch up to where you are today (not where you will be in 30 years). ok, here it is, simple, you have your special fertilizer you've been using which is from an organic supplier. equipment: bucket, aquarium air pump, hose, air stone, cheese cloth. ingredients: water, compost. method: turn on air pump, add compost to water, let it brew for a while, strain through cheese cloth, use on a few plants, see if it works. brew time a few days to a week. some people add other stuff to the mix like a little molasses, grass or alfalfa, etc. as air pumps are very inexpensive along with the rest of the stuff this is something that can be tried without risking major expense even if it doesn't work. songbird Fascinating. Thank you! |
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