Bill wrote:

"Ignoramus2437" wrote in message
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I am on a low carb high fat "paleo diet". In the front yard, we have a
concrete retaining wall that is a boundary of our land. Beyond the
retaining wall, 3 feet lower, is a public sidewalk. I rented a monster
tiller recently, and tilled a 24" strip of land immediately adjacent
to the retaining wall. (did a lot of other tilling to plant a lawn
elsewhere).

My desire is to plant some pretty, high fat, low carb, edible plants
that are not grains.


That's a foolish diet, you may lose weight for a while, but you may also die
from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack, etc., before the next
year is up.

Low carb diet is nothing but a scam.

Bill


That explains it Bill! Thanks for the info.

I ate a low carb peanut butter sandwich last year and I immediately died
from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack etc., just as you
said. Luckily I had my reincarnation insurance paid up, wasn't it?

You are a very useful guy to have around Bill. Your in-depth knowledge
and incredible insight into scams and human nutrition is something that
can only be admired.

I guess that avocados are poison eh Bill? What with the high fat, low
carbs. Maybe they are Saddam's secret weapons of mass destruction? They
are a sort of drab military green after all. Do you think that someone
should whisper into Bush's ear?

What do you suggest as a good diet Bill?

It is obvious that you personally are thriving amazingly well on BS, but
for those of us with a little more taste and discernment, coupled with
a lack of access to fresh bovine created food sources, what would be a
good thing?

Regards

David




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Hi Dave:

A fool you are! LOL

I have no problem with you believing in a high fat, low carb diet, I find
the planet overpopulated with fatso's anyway.
The nutrition committee of the American Heart Association has issued a
science advisory warning that high-protein diets have not been proven
effective and pose health risks. The report covered the Atkins, Zone,
Protein Power, Sugar Busters, and Stillman diets. The committee stated:

a.. Such diets may produce short-term weight loss through dehydration.
b.. Weight loss may also occur through caloric restriction resulting from
the fact that the diets are relatively unpalatable.
c.. The high fat content may be harmful to the cardiovascular system in
the long run.
d.. Any improvement in blood cholesterol levels and insulin management
would be due to weight loss, not the change in composition.
e.. A very high-protein diet is especially risky for patients with
diabetes because it can speed the progression of diabetic kidney disease
[8].
http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...opics/lcd.html

Bill

I ate a low carb peanut butter sandwich last year and I immediately died
from clogged arteries, cancer, stroke, heart attack etc., just as you
said. Luckily I had my reincarnation insurance paid up, wasn't it?

You are a very useful guy to have around Bill. Your in-depth knowledge and
incredible insight into scams and human nutrition is something that can
only be admired.

I guess that avocados are poison eh Bill? What with the high fat, low
carbs. Maybe they are Saddam's secret weapons of mass destruction? They
are a sort of drab military green after all. Do you think that someone
should whisper into Bush's ear?

What do you suggest as a good diet Bill?

It is obvious that you personally are thriving amazingly well on BS, but
for those of us with a little more taste and discernment, coupled with a
lack of access to fresh bovine created food sources, what would be a good
thing?

Regards

David

Bill, do you realize how hysterically funny your post is?!

Bill wrote:
|
| a.. Such diets may produce short-term weight loss through
| dehydration.

Geez, I've lost 55 pounds of water so far! LMAO!

b.. Weight loss may also occur through caloric
| restriction resulting from the fact that the diets are relatively
| unpalatable.

Yup, bacon,eggs, cheese, steaks, and vegetables are so much more unpalatable
that dry toast and rice cakes!
*wiping eyes* Stop! My sides hurt too much from laughing!

c.. The high fat content may be harmful to the
| cardiovascular system in the long run.

Heeheeheeheheehee. My total cholesterol dropped from 232 to 187, blood
pressure to 120/70, and tricglycerides from 635 to 217 on Atkins. Which is
supposed to hurt my CV systemmo the lower blood pressure, the low
ercholesterol or the lower triglycerides?? ROFLMAO!

| d.. Any improvement in blood cholesterol levels and insulin
| management would be due to weight loss, not the change in composition.

Um, isn't that the point?

| e.. A very high-protein diet is especially risky for patients with
| diabetes because it can speed the progression of diabetic kidney
| disease [8].

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one!
Let's see, I have to take no medication for my T2 diabetes because its';s
controlled completely with my low-carb diet. My blood glucose is
consistently normal. High blood sugars cause kidney disease. Guess you
lose this one too!

| http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...opics/lcd.html

You're the quack. Get educated.

Oh wait. My guess is that you're either PETA or PCRM, both with a vested
interest in not wanting people to eat meat. Bet that doesn't slant your
point of view, does it?

In a way I feel sorry for you, because you are so misinformed and stupid
enough to promote the tired old Lies that no one listens to any more. Maybe
you could switch careers and find some nice snake oil to sell?

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"marengo" wrote in message
...
Bill, do you realize how hysterically funny your post is?!

Bill wrote:
|
| a.. Such diets may produce short-term weight loss through
| dehydration.

Geez, I've lost 55 pounds of water so far! LMAO!

b.. Weight loss may also occur through caloric
| restriction resulting from the fact that the diets are relatively
| unpalatable.

Yup, bacon,eggs, cheese, steaks, and vegetables are so much more
unpalatable

Yeah, but geez, how much bacon and eggs and steak can you eat? At least
throw some fish and chicken in there. I have red meat once a week and
that's plenty fine.

that dry toast and rice cakes!
*wiping eyes* Stop! My sides hurt too much from laughing!

Funny, but there are plenty of people from around the world that eat diets
high in carbohydrates that are not fat and have high life expectancies.
It's not the carbs killing you, it's the amount of calories you eat. Eat
less and you lose weight. Simple equation.

FDR wrote:
|| "marengo" wrote in message
|| ...
||| Bill, do you realize how hysterically funny your post is?!
|||
||| Bill wrote:
||||
|||| a.. Such diets may produce short-term weight loss through
|||| dehydration.
|||
||| Geez, I've lost 55 pounds of water so far! LMAO!
|||
||| b.. Weight loss may also occur through caloric
|||| restriction resulting from the fact that the diets are relatively
|||| unpalatable.
|||
||| Yup, bacon,eggs, cheese, steaks, and vegetables are so much more
||| unpalatable
||
|| Yeah, but geez, how much bacon and eggs and steak can you eat? At
|| least throw some fish and chicken in there. I have red meat once a
|| week and that's plenty fine.

I rarely eat bacon and steak and certainly eat less red meat than you and
I've been LCing for 3 years.

||
||| that dry toast and rice cakes!
||| *wiping eyes* Stop! My sides hurt too much from laughing!
||
|| Funny, but there are plenty of people from around the world that eat
|| diets high in carbohydrates that are not fat and have high life
|| expectancies. It's not the carbs killing you, it's the amount of
|| calories you eat. Eat less and you lose weight. Simple equation.

That is exactly what LC allows most people to do, eat less and lose weight.
Many people who eat diets high in carbs have BG swings that stimulate
appetite. Many of those people are very overweight and will stay that way
if the continue on a high carb diet.

Simple equations are all that folks with simple minds can handle. The real
world is often not so simple.

"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
FDR wrote:
|| "marengo" wrote in message
|| ...
||| Bill, do you realize how hysterically funny your post is?!
|||
||| Bill wrote:
||||
|||| a.. Such diets may produce short-term weight loss through
|||| dehydration.
|||
||| Geez, I've lost 55 pounds of water so far! LMAO!
|||
||| b.. Weight loss may also occur through caloric
|||| restriction resulting from the fact that the diets are relatively
|||| unpalatable.
|||
||| Yup, bacon,eggs, cheese, steaks, and vegetables are so much more
||| unpalatable
||
|| Yeah, but geez, how much bacon and eggs and steak can you eat? At
|| least throw some fish and chicken in there. I have red meat once a
|| week and that's plenty fine.

I rarely eat bacon and steak and certainly eat less red meat than you and
I've been LCing for 3 years.

||
||| that dry toast and rice cakes!
||| *wiping eyes* Stop! My sides hurt too much from laughing!
||
|| Funny, but there are plenty of people from around the world that eat
|| diets high in carbohydrates that are not fat and have high life
|| expectancies. It's not the carbs killing you, it's the amount of
|| calories you eat. Eat less and you lose weight. Simple equation.

That is exactly what LC allows most people to do, eat less and lose
weight.
Many people who eat diets high in carbs have BG swings that stimulate
appetite. Many of those people are very overweight and will stay that way
if the continue on a high carb diet.

I see that reading comprehension is not one of your strong points.

Binge on donuts, cake, sweets and saturated fats, you get fat and die early.

Eat a balanced diet rich in carbohydrates, and good fats, live well.


Simple equations are all that folks with simple minds can handle. The
real
world is often not so simple.

And you prove your point, as you are simple and fell for a fad diet that
will kill you, no old age for you.

Bill

"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
FDR wrote:
|| "marengo" wrote in message
|| ...
||| Bill, do you realize how hysterically funny your post is?!
|||
||| Bill wrote:
||||
|||| a.. Such diets may produce short-term weight loss through
|||| dehydration.
|||
||| Geez, I've lost 55 pounds of water so far! LMAO!
|||
||| b.. Weight loss may also occur through caloric
|||| restriction resulting from the fact that the diets are relatively
|||| unpalatable.
|||
||| Yup, bacon,eggs, cheese, steaks, and vegetables are so much more
||| unpalatable
||
|| Yeah, but geez, how much bacon and eggs and steak can you eat? At
|| least throw some fish and chicken in there. I have red meat once a
|| week and that's plenty fine.

I rarely eat bacon and steak and certainly eat less red meat than you and
I've been LCing for 3 years.

||
||| that dry toast and rice cakes!
||| *wiping eyes* Stop! My sides hurt too much from laughing!
||
|| Funny, but there are plenty of people from around the world that eat
|| diets high in carbohydrates that are not fat and have high life
|| expectancies. It's not the carbs killing you, it's the amount of
|| calories you eat. Eat less and you lose weight. Simple equation.

That is exactly what LC allows most people to do, eat less and lose
weight.
Many people who eat diets high in carbs have BG swings that stimulate
appetite. Many of those people are very overweight and will stay that way
if the continue on a high carb diet.

I see that reading comprehension is not one of your strong points.

Binge on donuts, cake, sweets and saturated fats, you get fat and die early.

Eat a balanced diet rich in carbohydrates, and good fats, live well.


Simple equations are all that folks with simple minds can handle. The
real
world is often not so simple.

And you prove your point, as you are simple and fell for a fad diet that
will kill you, no old age for you.

Bill

"Roger Zoul" wrote in message
...
FDR wrote:
|| "marengo" wrote in message
|| ...
||| Bill, do you realize how hysterically funny your post is?!
|||
||| Bill wrote:
||||
|||| a.. Such diets may produce short-term weight loss through
|||| dehydration.
|||
||| Geez, I've lost 55 pounds of water so far! LMAO!
|||
||| b.. Weight loss may also occur through caloric
|||| restriction resulting from the fact that the diets are relatively
|||| unpalatable.
|||
||| Yup, bacon,eggs, cheese, steaks, and vegetables are so much more
||| unpalatable
||
|| Yeah, but geez, how much bacon and eggs and steak can you eat? At
|| least throw some fish and chicken in there. I have red meat once a
|| week and that's plenty fine.

I rarely eat bacon and steak and certainly eat less red meat than you and
I've been LCing for 3 years.

||
||| that dry toast and rice cakes!
||| *wiping eyes* Stop! My sides hurt too much from laughing!
||
|| Funny, but there are plenty of people from around the world that eat
|| diets high in carbohydrates that are not fat and have high life
|| expectancies. It's not the carbs killing you, it's the amount of
|| calories you eat. Eat less and you lose weight. Simple equation.

That is exactly what LC allows most people to do, eat less and lose
weight.
Many people who eat diets high in carbs have BG swings that stimulate
appetite. Many of those people are very overweight and will stay that way
if the continue on a high carb diet.

I see that reading comprehension is not one of your strong points.

Binge on donuts, cake, sweets and saturated fats, you get fat and die early.

Eat a balanced diet rich in carbohydrates, and good fats, live well.


Simple equations are all that folks with simple minds can handle. The
real
world is often not so simple.

And you prove your point, as you are simple and fell for a fad diet that
will kill you, no old age for you.

Bill

"marengo" wrote in message
...
Bill, do you realize how hysterically funny your post is?!

Bill wrote:
|
| a.. Such diets may produce short-term weight loss through
| dehydration.


In a way I feel sorry for you, because you are so misinformed and stupid
enough to promote the tired old Lies that no one listens to any more.
Maybe
you could switch careers and find some nice snake oil to sell?

Don't feel sorry for me, you are the dumbass, trying to make valid research
seem like a joke, because you fell for the scam.

I did look at your pictures, the weight loose is awesome, but you can do
that on a balanced diet without putting your health at risk.

BTW who is that cow behind you in the first picture? LOL

Bill

Bill wrote:



I did look at your pictures, the weight loose is awesome, but you can do
that on a balanced diet without putting your health at risk.

BTW who is that cow behind you in the first picture? LOL

Bill



Bill, you are an obnoxious little piece of snot.

I am sorry that I responded to you in a civil manner in my last post,
however as I am a strong believer in karma, I will take comfort in that
probability. When you are diagnosed diabetic and come looking for
support I hope that people remember you. You don't have to be overweight
to become diabetic, something that you don't seem to know, but will one
day learn; hopefully the hard way.


David

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Bill wrote:



I did look at your pictures, the weight loose is awesome, but you can do
that on a balanced diet without putting your health at risk.

BTW who is that cow behind you in the first picture? LOL

Bill



Bill, you are an obnoxious little piece of snot.

I am sorry that I responded to you in a civil manner in my last post,
however as I am a strong believer in karma, I will take comfort in that
probability. When you are diagnosed diabetic and come looking for
support I hope that people remember you. You don't have to be overweight
to become diabetic, something that you don't seem to know, but will one
day learn; hopefully the hard way.


David

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"marengo" wrote in message
...
Bill, do you realize how hysterically funny your post is?!

Bill wrote:
|
| a.. Such diets may produce short-term weight loss through
| dehydration.


In a way I feel sorry for you, because you are so misinformed and stupid
enough to promote the tired old Lies that no one listens to any more.
Maybe
you could switch careers and find some nice snake oil to sell?

Don't feel sorry for me, you are the dumbass, trying to make valid research
seem like a joke, because you fell for the scam.

I did look at your pictures, the weight loose is awesome, but you can do
that on a balanced diet without putting your health at risk.

BTW who is that cow behind you in the first picture? LOL

Bill

Blah,Blah,Blah,
You don't get it at all. It is the release of insulin that makes us fat. If
the insulin release is not there or controlled by a low carb diet then you
will not store the fat you take in.
Simple as that..
Jennifer S.
206/159/135

"Jennifer S." wrote in message
om...
Blah,Blah,Blah,
You don't get it at all. It is the release of insulin that makes us fat.
If
the insulin release is not there or controlled by a low carb diet then you
will not store the fat you take in.
Simple as that..
Jennifer S.
206/159/135

Jennifer, I would guess that you failed 3rd grade health class!

Bill

"Jennifer S." wrote in message
om...
Blah,Blah,Blah,
You don't get it at all. It is the release of insulin that makes us fat.
If
the insulin release is not there or controlled by a low carb diet then you
will not store the fat you take in.
Simple as that..
Jennifer S.
206/159/135

Jennifer, I would guess that you failed 3rd grade health class!

Bill