"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
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Can't say I know what you mean by black soot algae. Got a pic?
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No. I get too much glare from the glass at any angle to get a decent pic
of


Have you tried holdig the camera upside down or roated 90 degrees
clockwise
and/or counterclockwise? I've found that works pretty good for reducing
glare on digicam closeups.

No, but I can try it. Thanks. :-) I've tried all kinds of angels but
there is either glare or flashback or the pics are overexposed. That's why
I always had so few pics of my tanks on my pond/fish webpages. I never
tried turning the camera....

this algae. It's a powdery looking black coating on the glass and lower
parts of the plants. It looks like the black soot that you see on
fireplace
walls or chimneys. Similar to what grows in the darkness of toilet tanks.

Could be the beginnings of staghorn algae.

It doesn't do anything but stay powdery looking and spreads out from small
black spots. Where it gets more light, it seems to be a more reddish color.
The goldfish are nibbling it off the back glass I've noticed.
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No, but I can try it. Thanks. :-) I've tried all kinds of angels but
there is either glare or flashback or the pics are overexposed. That's why
I always had so few pics of my tanks on my pond/fish webpages. I never
tried turning the camera....

Also, if your camera can take shots as close as a couple of inches
(My $35 Fuji does so I expect real cameras do) then put the lens
of the camera in contact with the aquarium glass. This should eliminate
the glare and might only give you hassles with depth of field and focus.

But at least you have no glare.

this algae. It's a powdery looking black coating on the glass and lower
parts of the plants. It looks like the black soot that you see on
fireplace
walls or chimneys. Similar to what grows in the darkness of toilet tanks.

Could be the beginnings of staghorn algae.

It doesn't do anything but stay powdery looking and spreads out from small
black spots. Where it gets more light, it seems to be a more reddish color.
The goldfish are nibbling it off the back glass I've noticed.

Reddish? Brownish maybe?

Diatoms if so. Put a bright light on it and tell me what color you think
they are now.

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"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
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No, but I can try it. Thanks. :-) I've tried all kinds of angels but
there is either glare or flashback or the pics are overexposed. That's
why
I always had so few pics of my tanks on my pond/fish webpages. I never
tried turning the camera....

Also, if your camera can take shots as close as a couple of inches
(My $35 Fuji does so I expect real cameras do) then put the lens
of the camera in contact with the aquarium glass. This should eliminate
the glare and might only give you hassles with depth of field and focus.
But at least you have no glare.

My digital camera is a HP, several years old and ran around $165.00 as I
recall. Close-ups are usually slightly blurry and almost always overexposed.
It has an auto flash thing. Maybe I'm not doing something right with it.
:-( The booklet that came with it doesn't help much and doing anything with
it other than snapping a picture is so confusing.

It doesn't do anything but stay powdery looking and spreads out from small
black spots. Where it gets more light, it seems to be a more reddish
color.
The goldfish are nibbling it off the back glass I've noticed.

Reddish? Brownish maybe?

Yes, you could call it a reddish brown. I don't mind green algae but this
stuff is so ugly.

Diatoms if so. Put a bright light on it and tell me what color you think
they are now.

OK, I just looked close. There may be two kinds. The stuff on the glass
and what's spreading on the plants looks sooty black - not brownish or
reddish. What's spreading on the bottom stones looks a brownish red color.
I'm afraid this crap is going to smother and kill my swordplants and
water-wisteria. :-(
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Aquariums since 1952
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Koi-lo wrote:

"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
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No, but I can try it. Thanks. :-) I've tried all kinds of angels but

there is either glare or flashback or the pics are overexposed.
That's why
I always had so few pics of my tanks on my pond/fish webpages. I never
tried turning the camera....


Also, if your camera can take shots as close as a couple of inches
(My $35 Fuji does so I expect real cameras do) then put the lens
of the camera in contact with the aquarium glass. This should eliminate
the glare and might only give you hassles with depth of field and focus.
But at least you have no glare.


My digital camera is a HP, several years old and ran around $165.00 as I
recall. Close-ups are usually slightly blurry and almost always
overexposed. It has an auto flash thing. Maybe I'm not doing something
right with it. :-( The booklet that came with it doesn't help much and
doing anything with it other than snapping a picture is so confusing.

It doesn't do anything but stay powdery looking and spreads out from
small
black spots. Where it gets more light, it seems to be a more reddish
color.
The goldfish are nibbling it off the back glass I've noticed.


Reddish? Brownish maybe?


Yes, you could call it a reddish brown. I don't mind green algae but
this stuff is so ugly.

Diatoms if so. Put a bright light on it and tell me what color you think
they are now.


OK, I just looked close. There may be two kinds. The stuff on the
glass and what's spreading on the plants looks sooty black - not
brownish or reddish. What's spreading on the bottom stones looks a
brownish red color. I'm afraid this crap is going to smother and kill my
swordplants and water-wisteria. :-(

Think I have the same stuff in my Malawi tank - it's the only one that
suffers from this. Reddish/brown/purple stuff on the glass - comes off
easily and is powdery. Then darker stuff on the rocks and the plants - I
suppose sooty could describe it. I've always put it down to the lack of
plants and the hardness of the water from the Ocean Rock leeching
limestone into it. Plants are nigh on impossible to grow in this tank as
their leaves get covered in the stuff although I have noticed that the
Plec is starting to clean them up a bit. I also sometimes move them into
another tank and the otos lap the algae up...seen them clean an
anubias to as good as new in a couple of hours that I had despaired of
before.

Have you got any algae eaters in the tank? Might be worth trying....

Gill

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
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Koi-lo wrote:
OK, I just looked close. There may be two kinds. The stuff on the glass
and what's spreading on the plants looks sooty black - not brownish or
reddish. What's spreading on the bottom stones looks a brownish red
color. I'm afraid this crap is going to smother and kill my swordplants
and water-wisteria. :-(
========
Think I have the same stuff in my Malawi tank - it's the only one that
suffers from this. Reddish/brown/purple stuff on the glass - comes off
easily and is powdery.

Yes, exactly, except this stuff is sooty black - no purple, but then
everyone's lighting and eyesight isn't the same. It's only in one of my
tanks as well, a 55g with goldfish. The other tanks are not affected (or
is that effected?).

Then darker stuff on the rocks and the plants - I
suppose sooty could describe it.

That stuff isn't as sooty as what's on the back. It's more like a
"coating."

I've always put it down to the lack of
plants and the hardness of the water from the Ocean Rock leeching
limestone into it.

That's ANOTHER thing I noticed. None of my hornwart is really thriving like
it's done for so many years. Instead of growing like mad it's staggering
along or actually starting to disintegrate. :-(((( What the heck is going
on? The GF don't bother it and even in the platy tank it's not doing well.

Plants are nigh on impossible to grow in this tank as
their leaves get covered in the stuff although I have noticed that the
Plec is starting to clean them up a bit.

While the GF are nibbling some of it off the back glass, they're not doing
that on the plants.

I also sometimes move them into
another tank and the otos lap the algae up...seen them clean an anubias
to as good as new in a couple of hours that I had despaired of before.
Have you got any algae eaters in the tank? Might be worth trying....

I can't keep otos alive. Once the algae is gone they are too! :*( Also,
I would wreck the tank trying to catch them to move them to another tank.
You can't easily catch these AEs in heavily planted tanks. I've given up on
them. As for plecos. I like them, but after a few weeks they *ALL* would
wait for the fish pellets and did little algae eating. Probably because my
tanks don't have much algae. What they do have is usually a light coating
of green algae on the glass and rocks that I remove myself. I haven't had
much luck with algae eaters. Another AE I tried liked fish-slime-coat a lot
more than it liked algae..........
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Koi-lo wrote:

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
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Koi-lo wrote:

OK, I just looked close. There may be two kinds. The stuff on the
glass and what's spreading on the plants looks sooty black - not
brownish or reddish. What's spreading on the bottom stones looks a
brownish red color. I'm afraid this crap is going to smother and kill
my swordplants and water-wisteria. :-(

========

Think I have the same stuff in my Malawi tank - it's the only one that
suffers from this. Reddish/brown/purple stuff on the glass - comes off
easily and is powdery.


Yes, exactly, except this stuff is sooty black - no purple, but then
everyone's lighting and eyesight isn't the same. It's only in one of my
tanks as well, a 55g with goldfish. The other tanks are not affected
(or is that effected?).

Then darker stuff on the rocks and the plants - I

suppose sooty could describe it.


That stuff isn't as sooty as what's on the back. It's more like a
"coating."

I've always put it down to the lack of

plants and the hardness of the water from the Ocean Rock leeching
limestone into it.


That's ANOTHER thing I noticed. None of my hornwart is really thriving
like it's done for so many years. Instead of growing like mad it's
staggering along or actually starting to disintegrate. :-(((( What
the heck is going on? The GF don't bother it and even in the platy tank
it's not doing well.

Plants are nigh on impossible to grow in this tank as

their leaves get covered in the stuff although I have noticed that the
Plec is starting to clean them up a bit.


While the GF are nibbling some of it off the back glass, they're not
doing that on the plants.

I also sometimes move them into

another tank and the otos lap the algae up...seen them clean an
anubias to as good as new in a couple of hours that I had despaired of
before.
Have you got any algae eaters in the tank? Might be worth trying....


I can't keep otos alive. Once the algae is gone they are too! :*(
Also, I would wreck the tank trying to catch them to move them to
another tank. You can't easily catch these AEs in heavily planted
tanks. I've given up on them. As for plecos. I like them, but after a
few weeks they *ALL* would wait for the fish pellets and did little
algae eating. Probably because my tanks don't have much algae. What
they do have is usually a light coating of green algae on the glass and
rocks that I remove myself. I haven't had much luck with algae eaters.
Another AE I tried liked fish-slime-coat a lot more than it liked
algae..........

Any chance you can send me a pic...address is quite easy to
decipher...at least then we can tell if we are dealing with the same
stuff which I still think we are...BTW I'm hopeless at pics as well so
don't get too concerned about the quality

I know what you mean about otos...I had some in the main tank but some
in a betta tank...it took 2 deaths for me to suss the problem...the 3rd
is still alive and kicking in the main tank that has algae...ime they do
not take any processed food...

BTW you should have let us know that you had updated the pics...looking
good :-) Can't see anything wrong with you photography on those.... :-)
Hoping to get my site up and running soon especially before the tank
upgrade...maybe if I nag hubby for help it might be next week....

Gill

"Gill Passman" wrote in message
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Any chance you can send me a pic...address is quite easy to decipher...at
least then we can tell if we are dealing with the same stuff which I still
think we are...BTW I'm hopeless at pics as well so don't get too concerned
about the quality

I just took 3 pics of this black crud and will post them to my website so
everyone can see them. I'll post the link here.

I know what you mean about otos...I had some in the main tank but some in
a betta tank...it took 2 deaths for me to suss the problem...the 3rd is
still alive and kicking in the main tank that has algae...ime they do not
take any processed food...

Yes, that's the problem woth otos. They don't tell you that when you buy
them.

BTW you should have let us know that you had updated the pics...looking
good :-) Can't see anything wrong with you photography on those.... :-)

Those are the ones without overexposure and little flashback from the tank's
glass. I only have a problem with close-ups and trying to get pics of my
fish in their tanks.

Hoping to get my site up and running soon especially before the tank
upgrade...maybe if I nag hubby for help it might be next week....

I know how husbands are. You would think I'd of married another fish
nut,.... but nooOooOoOoOooo....
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Here they are but with such close-ups there's blur and the colors aren't
quite right. Example - the wallpaper which shows up as gray is really deep
ivy or beige with pale forest green and pastel rust flowers. The algae on
the glass showing up in #3 is black to the human eye but the camera picked
it up as rusty red. The first 2 pics show it as sooty-black. You can see
where the GF have nibbled it away in the past week since I did a water
change. It grows rapidly.

The tall part of the wisteria is covered in this crud as are some of the
leaves of the val.

I also posted these to alt.binaries.aquaria.

http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy/alg1.jpg
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy/alg2/jpg
http://bellsouthpwp.net/s/h/shastadaisy/alg3.jpg


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Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
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Koi-lo wrote:

"Richard Sexton" wrote in message
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No, but I can try it. Thanks. :-) I've tried all kinds of angels but

there is either glare or flashback or the pics are overexposed.
That's why
I always had so few pics of my tanks on my pond/fish webpages. I never
tried turning the camera....


Also, if your camera can take shots as close as a couple of inches
(My $35 Fuji does so I expect real cameras do) then put the lens
of the camera in contact with the aquarium glass. This should eliminate
the glare and might only give you hassles with depth of field and focus.
But at least you have no glare.


My digital camera is a HP, several years old and ran around $165.00 as I
recall. Close-ups are usually slightly blurry and almost always
overexposed. It has an auto flash thing. Maybe I'm not doing something
right with it. :-( The booklet that came with it doesn't help much and
doing anything with it other than snapping a picture is so confusing.

It doesn't do anything but stay powdery looking and spreads out from
small
black spots. Where it gets more light, it seems to be a more reddish
color.
The goldfish are nibbling it off the back glass I've noticed.


Reddish? Brownish maybe?


Yes, you could call it a reddish brown. I don't mind green algae but
this stuff is so ugly.

Diatoms if so. Put a bright light on it and tell me what color you think
they are now.


OK, I just looked close. There may be two kinds. The stuff on the
glass and what's spreading on the plants looks sooty black - not
brownish or reddish. What's spreading on the bottom stones looks a
brownish red color. I'm afraid this crap is going to smother and kill my
swordplants and water-wisteria. :-(

Think I have the same stuff in my Malawi tank - it's the only one that
suffers from this. Reddish/brown/purple stuff on the glass - comes off
easily and is powdery. Then darker stuff on the rocks and the plants - I
suppose sooty could describe it. I've always put it down to the lack of
plants and the hardness of the water from the Ocean Rock leeching
limestone into it. Plants are nigh on impossible to grow in this tank as
their leaves get covered in the stuff although I have noticed that the
Plec is starting to clean them up a bit. I also sometimes move them into
another tank and the otos lap the algae up...seen them clean an
anubias to as good as new in a couple of hours that I had despaired of
before.

Have you got any algae eaters in the tank? Might be worth trying....

Gill