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I live in a state where many fresh water plants are illegal, e.g.
Anacharis and milfoil. There are also several species of aquatic animals that are illegal, e.g. ghost shrimp, fresh water snails, and killifish (a HUGE fine if your caught with killies). I've been wrestling with the ethics of buying an illegal animal on line (ghost shrimp), and wonder what other people think about this in regards to both plants and animals. Any thoughts? |
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Joseph wrote:
Any thoughts? There's usually a *very* good reason for certain plants and animals to be illegal: if they escape into the environment, they reproduce uncontrollably and cause the death of native species. This is not good. Please don't take the risk. -- Victor Martinez Send your spam he Email me he |
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Joseph wrote:
I live in a state where many fresh water plants are illegal, e.g. Anacharis and milfoil. There are also several species of aquatic animals that are illegal, e.g. ghost shrimp, fresh water snails, and killifish (a HUGE fine if your caught with killies). What state, Maine? I wouldn't have thought they'd consider these things to be a danger, since most aquarium species are warm water. I've been wrestling with the ethics of buying an illegal animal on line (ghost shrimp), and wonder what other people think about this in regards to both plants and animals. Do you have a link to the formal state rules about this? Sometimes these laws only prohibit commercial sales or are oddly written to allow exceptions. As for ethics vs the law, well, the two rarely intercept :) -- www.ericschreiber.com |
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"Eric Schreiber" wrote in message ... Joseph wrote: I live in a state where many fresh water plants are illegal, e.g. Anacharis and milfoil. There are also several species of aquatic animals that are illegal, e.g. ghost shrimp, fresh water snails, and killifish (a HUGE fine if your caught with killies). What state, Maine? I wouldn't have thought they'd consider these things to be a danger, since most aquarium species are warm water. I've been wrestling with the ethics of buying an illegal animal on line (ghost shrimp), and wonder what other people think about this in regards to both plants and animals. Do you have a link to the formal state rules about this? Sometimes these laws only prohibit commercial sales or are oddly written to allow exceptions. As for ethics vs the law, well, the two rarely intercept :) -- www.ericschreiber.com This is a very sticky question. You could observe the legal requirements by purchasing similar looking (but legal) plants, shrimp and snails, and then address the ethical concerns by handling them responsibly, ensuring they never get out into your environment (regardless if they would or wouldn't survive). However, legislation on Killies might be too broad to find a similar but legal substitute, so you might have to go to a different (legal) fish. How about exploring the legality of keeping home grown darters and minnows? I'm curious as to how this will evolve in the future. If your environment could be adversely affected by something like Killies, could White Cloud minnows be potentially banned as well? Will Guppies be next? Canada, Russia and northern Europe may become the last bastions of legal hobbyists in the future ;~) NetMax, living up in Canada eh? ;~) |
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No state or government has the right to interfere in a person's private business, unless it DIRECTLY
harms another INDIVIDUAL. God, what is this country coming to? FIGHT THE OPRESSION! |
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Joseph wrote in message
... I live in a state where many fresh water plants are illegal, e.g. Anacharis and milfoil. There are also several species of aquatic animals that are illegal, e.g. ghost shrimp, fresh water snails, and killifish (a HUGE fine if your caught with killies). I've been wrestling with the ethics of buying an illegal animal on line (ghost shrimp), and wonder what other people think about this in regards to both plants and animals. Any thoughts? Ghosties aren't worth it. They're one of the least interesting things you could ever get fined for. |
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"LtWolfe" wrote in message . .. No state or government has the right to interfere in a person's private business, unless it DIRECTLY harms another INDIVIDUAL. God, what is this country coming to? FIGHT THE OPRESSION! I live in a land infested with Muscovy Ducks, toxic Bufo Toads, and Melaleuca trees are soaking up my Everglades.... all non natives, all introduced by folks who thought they knew better. -- Toni http://www.cearbhaill.com/discus.htm |
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I am well aware of the exotic problems in my current state of residence. Why do you seem so quick to
take away MY right? Because of what someone ELSE did? Why should I be punished for the acts of others? Does that seem right? Besides, there are very few exotics doing well, compared to the number in the hobby, and natives in FL. A lot of exotics are from fish farm releases (I'm sure YOU don't buy from fish farms, right?). Bottom line, I am responsible for MY actions. YOU are responsible for YOUR actions. Let's keep it like that okay? (or rather, get it back like that). LtWolfe "Toni" wrote in link.net: "LtWolfe" wrote in message . .. No state or government has the right to interfere in a person's private business, unless it DIRECTLY harms another INDIVIDUAL. God, what is this country coming to? FIGHT THE OPRESSION! I live in a land infested with Muscovy Ducks, toxic Bufo Toads, and Melaleuca trees are soaking up my Everglades.... all non natives, all introduced by folks who thought they knew better. |
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and at this point i think this should be cross-posted to alt.politics and
eliminated from the rec.aquaria* groups. "LtWolfe" wrote... "Toni" wrote: "LtWolfe" wrote... No state or government has the right to interfere in a person's private business, unless it DIRECTLY harms another INDIVIDUAL. God, what is this country coming to? FIGHT THE OPRESSION! |
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"NetMax" wrote:
This is a very sticky question. You could observe the legal requirements by purchasing similar looking (but legal) plants, shrimp and snails, and then address the ethical concerns by handling them responsibly, ensuring they never get out into your environment (regardless if they would or wouldn't survive). The ethics are fairly universal. Know the requirements of your fish before you buy them, provide them with the best environment you can, and never, ever release them into the wild. The legal aspects are much trickier, and I suspect that even the enforcing agencies don't really understand them. Sometimes it's illegal to import or sell a species, but if you can find someone locally who already has it you can get offspring (or cuttings) from them. NetMax, living up in Canada eh? ;~) Apart from the weather, Canada has started to look more and more attractive in recent years. And you guys know the proper way to treat French Fries. -- www.ericschreiber.com |
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"Dunter Powries" wrote:
Ghosties aren't worth it. They're one of the least interesting things you could ever get fined for. Hey! I like my ghost shrimp! And they like me, I'm certain of it. -- www.ericschreiber.com |
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Hey Joeseph, what state do you live in? I live in Virginia and have
not found ANY stores in my area, Virginia Beach, that carry Killifish. And have found ghost shirmp ONCE. Evan |
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:48:18 GMT, LtWolfe wrote:
Right. And I should be allowed to own my very own thermonuclear bomb because I will be responsible with it. I am well aware of the exotic problems in my current state of residence. Why do you seem so quick to take away MY right? Because of what someone ELSE did? Why should I be punished for the acts of others? Does that seem right? Besides, there are very few exotics doing well, compared to the number in the hobby, and natives in FL. A lot of exotics are from fish farm releases (I'm sure YOU don't buy from fish farms, right?). Bottom line, I am responsible for MY actions. YOU are responsible for YOUR actions. Let's keep it like that okay? (or rather, get it back like that). LtWolfe "Toni" wrote in hlink.net: "LtWolfe" wrote in message . .. No state or government has the right to interfere in a person's private business, unless it DIRECTLY harms another INDIVIDUAL. God, what is this country coming to? FIGHT THE OPRESSION! I live in a land infested with Muscovy Ducks, toxic Bufo Toads, and Melaleuca trees are soaking up my Everglades.... all non natives, all introduced by folks who thought they knew better. |
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:48:18 GMT, LtWolfe wrote:
Right. And I should be allowed to own my very own thermonuclear bomb because I will be responsible with it. I am well aware of the exotic problems in my current state of residence. Why do you seem so quick to take away MY right? Because of what someone ELSE did? Why should I be punished for the acts of others? Does that seem right? Besides, there are very few exotics doing well, compared to the number in the hobby, and natives in FL. A lot of exotics are from fish farm releases (I'm sure YOU don't buy from fish farms, right?). Bottom line, I am responsible for MY actions. YOU are responsible for YOUR actions. Let's keep it like that okay? (or rather, get it back like that). LtWolfe "Toni" wrote in hlink.net: "LtWolfe" wrote in message . .. No state or government has the right to interfere in a person's private business, unless it DIRECTLY harms another INDIVIDUAL. God, what is this country coming to? FIGHT THE OPRESSION! I live in a land infested with Muscovy Ducks, toxic Bufo Toads, and Melaleuca trees are soaking up my Everglades.... all non natives, all introduced by folks who thought they knew better. |
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:48:18 GMT, LtWolfe wrote:
Right. And I should be allowed to own my very own thermonuclear bomb because I will be responsible with it. I am well aware of the exotic problems in my current state of residence. Why do you seem so quick to take away MY right? Because of what someone ELSE did? Why should I be punished for the acts of others? Does that seem right? Besides, there are very few exotics doing well, compared to the number in the hobby, and natives in FL. A lot of exotics are from fish farm releases (I'm sure YOU don't buy from fish farms, right?). Bottom line, I am responsible for MY actions. YOU are responsible for YOUR actions. Let's keep it like that okay? (or rather, get it back like that). LtWolfe "Toni" wrote in hlink.net: "LtWolfe" wrote in message . .. No state or government has the right to interfere in a person's private business, unless it DIRECTLY harms another INDIVIDUAL. God, what is this country coming to? FIGHT THE OPRESSION! I live in a land infested with Muscovy Ducks, toxic Bufo Toads, and Melaleuca trees are soaking up my Everglades.... all non natives, all introduced by folks who thought they knew better. |
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