I'm having problems with my morning glories this year and I don't know
why or what I can do next year to keep this from happening. All my MGs
are grown in containers and although in past years they start to lose
their lower leaves, this year they look like total crap and on some
trellises they haven't even covered the top like in past years. The new
foliage looks small and frail whereas in past years they were still
climbing and growing at this time of the year. They all seemed to have
flowered nicely and on only one trellis they have done OK this year. In
the following pics I'll step you through the situation and hopefully
someone will have some insight as to what went wrong. I live in Zone 5
Chicago where we suffered a horrendous drought this year and it has been
hot but I have been very diligent about keeping these things watered.
Watering this garden has literally been an albatross around my neck
requiring my attention every single day making me look forward to fall
and winter but I digress. As much as I like to attribute the problem to
the drought, and that's been my standard excuse this year for every
garden problem :-), I'd like to know what could be the real cause of
this since MGs have become a staple of my garden's foliage in August -
October.

Note: All the following pics have been reduced to 100K or less in size
and they were taken today which is kind of gloomy here.

Here is a pic of one trellis that has healthy flowering MGs:

http://www.brandylion.com/images/healthy-mgs.jpg

Some of these vines originate 8 feet down a wall. The lower parts of
these plants are now barren but I'm going to concentrate on a different
but similar looking trellis.

Here is an example of a trellis with barren lower vines, vines that are
far more barren this year than any year I've done this. Note in the
lower part of the pic there are the three containers where the MGs are
grown. One is a 5 gallon bucket and the two stainless steel ones are
14"x14"x14".

http://www.brandylion.com/images/vines1.jpg

On July 23 of this year this picture was taken (at a different angle):

http://www.brandylion.com/images/723-mgs.jpg

Notice how crappy the vines have gotten in less than two months.

This is a full view of that entire trellis today:

http://www.brandylion.com/images/vines2.jpg

There are flowers on top that look nice even though the vine doesn't but
since today is so gloomy they're difficult to photograph.

If you read this far here is my quandary: In the past I've grown MGs in
these big square boxes or 5 gallon buckets. I wanted to see how small
of a container I could use so I set up an experiment using a quasi-
hydroponics technique. In the following pic you'll see a small 5" pot
stuffed into a plastic cover of a 50 pack CD-R spindle.

http://www.brandylion.com/images/small-mg-pot.jpg

The water drains from the pot and collects into the spindle cover. The
MG plant's roots have grown out of the bottom of the pot and has
completely filled the plastic spindle cover and now soak in water that
has turned green.

Ironically, this MG vine has not succumbed to leaf loss and has
maintained its health throughout the entire summer even though it is
growing in such a small container. Here is a pic of the full vine:

http://www.brandylion.com/images/small-mg-full.jpg

Next year I need to rebuild the containers that hold the morning glories
and I was thinking of employing this hydroponics-lite technique by build
water reservoirs for the MG's roots to congregate as they start getting
big. I'm a little unclear as to what's going on with these MGs this
year and why roots soaking in water would do better. According to what
I read about hydroponics, I thought that roots also need oxygen too
which is why those systems pump water in and out of the root system. On
other trellises they're growing in very large pots where being root
bound shouldn't be a problem but they're going barren as well so I'm not
even sure if being root bound is the problem. Any insight would be
appreciated.

Mark Anderson wrote:
I'm having problems with my morning glories this year and I don't know
why or what I can do next year to keep this from happening. [...]

I have a similar situation with MGs on one side of the house where the
bed has about 8-10" of topsoil on top of a sandy gravel layer. This bed
does not retain water very well. The leaves on the MGs have turned
yellowish with brown spots, and are falling off at the lower levels.
They bloomed well though, even when the leaves began to be affected. I
watered this bed frequently, because I was afraid that the MGs would dry
out otherwise.

The other side of the house has a deeper layer of soil on sand, which
retains water much better, and those MGs have gone nuts - they climbed
over (and probably killed) the clematis, are about 12Ft high, and are
blooming very nicely. I did not water this bed as often, only when the
MG's leaves began to wilt slightly.

We're having very dry weather, going into the third week with no rain,
prior to that we had a few good rainfalls in mid-august, but mostly it's
been hot, with some days in the high 20s to low 30s celsius (70s-90s F),
sometimes humid, sometimes not.

So I my guess is that it's overwatering that's the culprit.

HTH

Roots don't need Oxygen. I live in the High Mojave Desert and all of my
morning glorys have to be watered at lest every 4 days or they would fade in
the heat here. Also I have leaves right down to the base.

Did you renew your soil in the pots? Did you feed them at all? I've feed
mine once this summer with a layer of steer manure and I've got lots of
vines and flowers.


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"Mark Anderson" wrote in message
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I'm having problems with my morning glories this year and I don't know

Mark Anderson wrote:

Next year I need to rebuild the containers that hold the morning glories
and I was thinking of employing this hydroponics-lite technique by build
water reservoirs for the MG's roots to congregate as they start getting
big. I'm a little unclear as to what's going on with these MGs this
year and why roots soaking in water would do better. According to what
I read about hydroponics, I thought that roots also need oxygen too
which is why those systems pump water in and out of the root system. On
other trellises they're growing in very large pots where being root
bound shouldn't be a problem but they're going barren as well so I'm not
even sure if being root bound is the problem. Any insight would be
appreciated.

Maybe watering them so frequently is leaching all the nutrients out of
the potting soil? Or perhaps the soil in the small pot had more
nutrients to begin with, if it's fresher than the stuff in the large
pots that have been used for a few years? Are you using any sort of
fertilizer?

"Starlord" expounded:

Roots don't need Oxygen.

Uh, Dennis, yes they do. They just don't need freeflowing oxygen!
That's why they grow in soil......
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South of Boston, Massachusetts
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On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 04:55:18 -0700, "Starlord"
wrote:

Roots don't need Oxygen.


YIKES!!!



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In article ,
"Starlord" wrote:

Roots don't need Oxygen. I live in the High Mojave Desert and all of my
morning glorys have to be watered at lest every 4 days or they would fade in
the heat here. Also I have leaves right down to the base.

Did you renew your soil in the pots? Did you feed them at all? I've feed
mine once this summer with a layer of steer manure and I've got lots of
vines and flowers.

Aeration is a good thing. Cultivation not only weeds but aerates the
soil. Perhaps someone knows more info on this. I'm still trying to
give my Orchids the proper mix.)

Quite an art (Gardening) that sometimes forgives mistakes.

Bill

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Moose I'm trying to understand why Kamikaze pilots wear helments?

William Wagner wrote:
In article ,
"Starlord" wrote:

Roots don't need Oxygen. I live in the High Mojave Desert and all
of my morning glorys have to be watered at lest every 4 days or
they would fade in the heat here. Also I have leaves right down
to the base.

Did you renew your soil in the pots? Did you feed them at all?
I've feed mine once this summer with a layer of steer manure and
I've got lots of vines and flowers.

Aeration is a good thing. Cultivation not only weeds but aerates
the soil. Perhaps someone knows more info on this. I'm still
trying to give my Orchids the proper mix.)

Quite an art (Gardening) that sometimes forgives mistakes.

Bill

What kind of Orchids? Some Orchids grow without any soil at all.

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USDA Zone 8
Sunset Zone 5

In article RE_We.1955$T55.24@trndny06,
"Travis" wrote:

William Wagner wrote:
In article ,
"Starlord" wrote:

Roots don't need Oxygen. I live in the High Mojave Desert and all
of my morning glorys have to be watered at lest every 4 days or
they would fade in the heat here. Also I have leaves right down
to the base.

Did you renew your soil in the pots? Did you feed them at all?
I've feed mine once this summer with a layer of steer manure and
I've got lots of vines and flowers.

Aeration is a good thing. Cultivation not only weeds but aerates
the soil. Perhaps someone knows more info on this. I'm still
trying to give my Orchids the proper mix.)

Quite an art (Gardening) that sometimes forgives mistakes.

Bill

What kind of Orchids? Some Orchids grow without any soil at all.

Two Clivia's are new here and yet to bloom. Rest are various and
are common to our local stores. Seems air is good damp is not so good.

Bill

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Garden Shade Zone 5 S Jersey USA in a Japanese Jungle Manner.39.6376 -75.0208
This article is posted under fair use rules in accordance with
Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, and is strictly for the educational
and informative purposes. This material is distributed without profit.
Moose I'm trying to understand why Kamikaze pilots wear helments?

In article says...
Maybe watering them so frequently is leaching all the nutrients out of
the potting soil? Or perhaps the soil in the small pot had more
nutrients to begin with, if it's fresher than the stuff in the large
pots that have been used for a few years? Are you using any sort of
fertilizer?

These containers get recycled "new" soil every year. The only thing
different I did this year was add more sand to the soil to increase
drainage because I had a lot of extra sand to get rid of. My soils are
about 1/3 mushroom compost, 2/3 potting soil and then I mix in sand and
perlite for drainage. Perhaps I should have used more compost and
decreased the drainage of the morning glory containers. Once they got
big they were voracious water users and it's likely I could have washed
the nutrients from the soil over time. I fertilized a lot early in the
season but once they started flowering I held off but perhaps I should
have also kept with the fertilizer regimen throughout the summer.

My morning glories are in their waning days - and the lower part of the
vines are like Mark Anderson's. However, they are flowering like crazy - so
I really don't care. They only have 3-4 weeks left at best in my climate.,
and possibly less than 2, if mother nature decides that she wants an early
frost this year. So at this point, I'm thrilled to have 30 or 40 open
flowers every morning. Mine are also in a large 18"square pot. They have
never been fed, but watered religiously - at least once a day during the
hottest weather and now about every other day. (our nights are already in
the low 40's). My pots are a mixture of potting soil, potting compost, and I
spread a large bag of composted steer manure over the 7 large pots I have on
my patio every spring. There might be some leftover osmocote in the potting
soil, which is why I didn't add any fertilizer this year. The morning glory
shares a pot with prize winning nasturtiums of every color, petunias and the
odd marigold, lobelia and chinese forget-me-not. The location gets less
than 1/2 day of sun, but the top of the morning glory vines have trailed
themselves up over an arborvitae hedge, so that portion of the vines gets
full sun. Overall, I've been delighted with their performance. I bought the
heavenly blue already started in early June, and it never got set back. I've
had bad luck with growing forget me nots from seed. Even the Early Call
variety hardly started to bloom until mid august. This early-started
store-bought variety started to bloom in early July and has never quit
since. If I do this again next year, I will experiment with adding more
fertilizer - but I love the nasturtiums and they prefer leaner soil.