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Has anyone ever grown tobacco?
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 05:22:43 -0600, wrote:
Anyone???? No, but here are some links that may help you. My cousin tried it and didn't like it. http://www.webhost-free.com/growtobacco/3.html http://www.boldweb.com/greenweb/nicoinfo.htm ·.·´¨ ¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) jammer ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- ((¸¸ |
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Has anyone ever grown tobacco?
Smoking tobacco is not an easy crop to grow unless you live in the deep south
with a long growing season and plenty of heavy equipment and man/woman power. Then you'd need a place to cure it. It will never taste like the cigarettes you smoke now because they add at least a hundred chemicals to tobacco (including added nicotine to keep you well addicted) which distinguishes the "brands," one from another. Why not just quit. Smoking was always like a ball and chain to me. Do I have cigarettes, do I need them, how many are left, cough, cough, cough. I'd get every flu every time it came around, I'd have sore throats, heavy chest colds, etc. Smoking is not a moral issue for me, it's a health issue. I will be damned if I'll pay 35 dollars for a carton every week. Instead, I have 140 dollars a month to spend on my other hobbies, stitching and gardening. V On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 05:22:43 -0600, wrote: With the price of cigarettes going up, I have taken to rolling my owm. I have no intention of quitting, but I am getting tired of paying those prices, and they are talking about adding more taxes. I live on a small farm, and have done my share of gardening, but I have cut back on the gardening because I grow all the veggies, and have no way to store most of them, and they just go to waste. Bring a smoker, I thought that I might be better using that garden space for tobacco. I am only planning on a small patch, maybe 25 x 50 feet, just to grow my own for myself. I'd like to hear from others that have grown tobacco and learn what to do, and not to do. Anyone???? Thanks Mark |
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Has anyone ever grown tobacco?
Sorry, didn't see the original post, tacking on to this one. ;o}
"Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." wrote in message ... jammer wrote: On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 05:22:43 -0600, wrote: Anyone???? No, but here are some links that may help you. My cousin tried it and didn't like it. http://www.webhost-free.com/growtobacco/3.html http://www.boldweb.com/greenweb/nicoinfo.htm Smoking tobaccos are blends, such as burley and bright used in American cigarettes. Straight varieties are somewhat wanting in taste. Hi all gardening friends. Background on growing tobacco in general. We live in Kentucky and have a tobacco base on our farm. The tobacco base means that a farm has been assigned a certain number of pounds of tobacco that it is permitted to grow for sale. The tobacco sales are usually made to big tobacco companies. Some tobacco farmers have bases of over 500,000 pounds and this is what the do for a living. Other tobacco farmers, like us, do not have large bases, usually under 4,000 pounds. We can sometimes made enough $ on these small bases to pay our real estate taxes, if we are lucky. Sometimes the big farmers will lease a small farmer's base and add it to his own. The number of pounds that a farm can grow is limited only by the land. We have 60 acres. At least 40 of them are on the hillside. Not a good place to grow tobacco. So the government has assigned us a permissible growing amount as 19,000 pounds. But we can only grow more than the 4,000 base if we lease someone else's base. Kentucky is known in the tobacco world as growing really good burley tobacco. We have bottomland that is wonderful for tobacco and it usually grows the burley better than other types of land, such as ridgetop. The amount of $ you get for your tobacco crop is based upon the quality of it, or the grade. You take your tobacco allotment to the tobacco warehouse. Tobacco is sold by auction at these warehouses. In these economic times, an average price for middle of the road to good tobacco is about $1.70/pound. Tobacco uses a lot of fertilizer to make good leaves. The cost of the fertilizer is by the ton and bought from a farm and seed dealer that rents you a 'buggy' to take the fertilizer home and spread it. The buggy is a large (size of a full size van) bin made of some king of metal. The dealer measures your order into it and then you pay and take it to the field. Good farmers usually get a soil test done every other year or so to determine the amount of fertilizer and how much of each, i.e. 10-10-10, is needed to grow the tobacco. Tobacco has specific diseases that you have to spray to protect from. Also many bugs that harm tobacco plants. Also have to spray for the bugs. Chemicals that are permitted to be applied to the tobacco is limited and approved by the FDA. Now, to the growing part. In order to get a crop in the ground, cured, packed and to the auction in time, growers start their seeds in hotbeds, water beds (hydroponic) or greenhouses. Some people make a living just selling tobacco seedlings. The seedling is permitted to grow to about a 12 inch size before it is transplanted. If the weather is too cold, wet, or whatever, these growers will use a type of lawn mower and go over their seedling beds to keep the seedlings to a manageable size. Manageable means able to be put into a tobacco planter and automatedly planted. The tobacco planter requires someone to ride along on it and place the plants in the cups as it comes around empty after putting the first plant in the ground. The planter also has a blade in the front to make the furrow and a hoe type thing on the back to pack and firm the soil around the plant. I have heard that there are totally automated planters, never have seen one. OK, so you start your seed like any other garden seed. Preparing the land. The location of the plot is important. You want good fertile land with a good breeze. The land that is used for tobacco is usually planted with a cover crop in the autumn after the tobacco has been harvested. The cover crop is cut and turned under at least 4 weeks prior to placing the plants in. Depends on the type of cover crop and how long it takes to break down in the soil. Once the cover is broken down, the grower discs the land (tills with a fine tractor attachment). The fertilizer is usually added at this time. Any systemic bug killer or disease preventer may be added at this time. Well, spread out and then turned under. Some tobacco treatments, such as for Blue Mold, costs about $170.00 per quart. I think a quart treats an acre if the disease is not present and it is just a preventative measure. Once the tobacco is set (planted in the ground) you pray for rain. Just like any crop. If you don't get rain, you have to water. Usually growers use like a 2000 gallon tank on their tractor to water. Once the tobacco is established, you treat for weeds between the rows. (When you fertilize you can treat for weeds that are unlike a tobacco plant, i.e. broad leaf, vining, fine blade). A good tobacco plant needs to put all of its energy into making big, healthy leaves. It is the leaves that are harvested. Therefore, you need to keep the plant topped. Kept short and not permitted to flower. (When I helped 'top' the tobacco I thought I was gonna die of nicotine poisoning. Whew. Straight nicotine right through the skin. Also the stains on your hands from topping (breaking off the stalk about 5' high) are impossible to remove. You just have to let it wear off. After the tobacco has grown for the season you can tell it is ready to start harvest by the color. It should have been deep green as it was growing. Now that it is finished growing (usually September around here, determined by the weather and length of days) it will start to turn yellow. This is good. (But if it turns yellow it also may have a disease, so you gotta watch it and make sure it is the whole field and all the leaves at once.) Once it is yellow, you go out and cut it down. You usually use a tobacco stick. A tobacco stick is about 36" long, about 3/4" thick, with a pointed end on one side. You stick the tobacco stick in the ground. Then you cut a tobacco stalk at the base and lift it up to horizontal. Then you place this horizontal stalk over the tobacco stick. (The stick is sticking up between leaves close to the stalk about at the middle of the plant). You put as many stalks on the stick as will fit. You can leave the sticks in the field for a day or two, but only if it doesn't rain. Now you gather up all of your sticks. Time to hang the tobacco. You need to hang the tobacco in a protected place to cure. Curing means drying out, then reabsorbing moisture. A farmer usually has a barn, 4 bent, or 5 bent. This means that it is so many feet high. These barns are specifically built to be tobacco barns. There is a system of rough grids placed between the posts and beams. The grid is usually built from sturdy wood posts, just trees that have been cut before they are too big. Usually about 3 to 4 inches in diameter. This grid is created with the 36" tobacco stick in mind. Because you actually hang the stick with the tobacco on it from the grid pieces. Usually a farmer will find a really, really small (not short, just thin) person to hang. Because you have to be up there at the top of the barn, which can be 50' high and crawling around on that same grid system. Others are on the wagon, and up into the grid to hand the sticks up in a water bucket brigade type of system. Some farmers can afford barns or won't and they just hang their tobacco onto a grid made of, well, like chain link fence posts. Outside. Definitely more at the mercy of the weather. Now you wait. You need just the right amount of air going through the barn. You want the leaves to dry, but not too much. If they are too dry, they crumble. And this is not good. The drying process is usually pretty long. The leaves have to dry out, then they have to reabsorb moisture so they can be packaged. A package is about a 300 pound or so packed tight rectangular shaped tobacco bale. There are laws regulating how the tobacco leaves are separated and put in the bales. If you put cheap stuff in the middle and good stuff on the outside you are charged for a crime. This baler thing is kinda a wood box that you lay the leaves into criss-crossed. And then a heavy type of press is used to compact it as type as possible. (So it doesn't dry or absorb moisture.) Then the box has natural twine (no preservatives or face rope) spaced around it and in it so the tobacco bale can be tied up tight. These bales then go the auction. Government graders determine the grade of all bales. Then they are auctioned by grade, by farm. Last year's drought was horrible for tobacco. And the rainy spell at the beginning of the season was another hit. The government requires that all farmers purchase insurance to protect against crop loss. If you don't buy private, you must buy government. Minimum of $50 per crop, per farm. This was from when Clinton was helicoptering looking at the results of that flood in 1997 or so. Said we need to protect these people. We must pass a law that requires them to buy insurance. Thanks, just another bill added on. The good tobacco is usually bought by American tobacco companies. The cheaper, or lower grades, are typically sent out of country, to Japan or China usually. Usually most of Kentucky's crop is purchased by American companies. The labor for tobacco is stage specific. When you are planting, when you are topping, when you are cutting, when you are hanging and when you are baling. Many tobacco farmers use alien labor to help with their crops. Some aliens charge per stick for cutting or hanging. Others are employed by the farmer and do other chores on the farm for an hourly rate plus room. And not a very good hourly rate but it is more than they can earn at their homeland. Whew. Short course in tobacco. Let me know if I have confused us all or if this helps. Judy |
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Has anyone ever grown tobacco?
I've never been interested in growing tobacco, but I found your post
fascinating, Judy! I lived in N. Carolina for a time, and remember thinking the tobacco fields were surprisingly pretty... "Judy and Dave G" wrote in message ... Sorry, didn't see the original post, tacking on to this one. ;o} "Dr. Rev. Chuck, M.D. P.A." wrote in message ... jammer wrote: On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 05:22:43 -0600, wrote: Anyone???? No, but here are some links that may help you. My cousin tried it and didn't like it. http://www.webhost-free.com/growtobacco/3.html http://www.boldweb.com/greenweb/nicoinfo.htm Smoking tobaccos are blends, such as burley and bright used in American cigarettes. Straight varieties are somewhat wanting in taste. Hi all gardening friends. Background on growing tobacco in general. We live in Kentucky and have a tobacco base on our farm. The tobacco base means that a farm has been assigned a certain number of pounds of tobacco that it is permitted to grow for sale. The tobacco sales are usually made to big tobacco companies. Some tobacco farmers have bases of over 500,000 pounds and this is what the do for a living. Other tobacco farmers, like us, do not have large bases, usually under 4,000 pounds. We can sometimes made enough $ on these small bases to pay our real estate taxes, if we are lucky. Sometimes the big farmers will lease a small farmer's base and add it to his own. The number of pounds that a farm can grow is limited only by the land. We have 60 acres. At least 40 of them are on the hillside. Not a good place to grow tobacco. So the government has assigned us a permissible growing amount as 19,000 pounds. But we can only grow more than the 4,000 base if we lease someone else's base. Kentucky is known in the tobacco world as growing really good burley tobacco. We have bottomland that is wonderful for tobacco and it usually grows the burley better than other types of land, such as ridgetop. The amount of $ you get for your tobacco crop is based upon the quality of it, or the grade. You take your tobacco allotment to the tobacco warehouse. Tobacco is sold by auction at these warehouses. In these economic times, an average price for middle of the road to good tobacco is about $1.70/pound. Tobacco uses a lot of fertilizer to make good leaves. The cost of the fertilizer is by the ton and bought from a farm and seed dealer that rents you a 'buggy' to take the fertilizer home and spread it. The buggy is a large (size of a full size van) bin made of some king of metal. The dealer measures your order into it and then you pay and take it to the field. Good farmers usually get a soil test done every other year or so to determine the amount of fertilizer and how much of each, i.e. 10-10-10, is needed to grow the tobacco. Tobacco has specific diseases that you have to spray to protect from. Also many bugs that harm tobacco plants. Also have to spray for the bugs. Chemicals that are permitted to be applied to the tobacco is limited and approved by the FDA. Now, to the growing part. In order to get a crop in the ground, cured, packed and to the auction in time, growers start their seeds in hotbeds, water beds (hydroponic) or greenhouses. Some people make a living just selling tobacco seedlings. The seedling is permitted to grow to about a 12 inch size before it is transplanted. If the weather is too cold, wet, or whatever, these growers will use a type of lawn mower and go over their seedling beds to keep the seedlings to a manageable size. Manageable means able to be put into a tobacco planter and automatedly planted. The tobacco planter requires someone to ride along on it and place the plants in the cups as it comes around empty after putting the first plant in the ground. The planter also has a blade in the front to make the furrow and a hoe type thing on the back to pack and firm the soil around the plant. I have heard that there are totally automated planters, never have seen one. OK, so you start your seed like any other garden seed. Preparing the land. The location of the plot is important. You want good fertile land with a good breeze. The land that is used for tobacco is usually planted with a cover crop in the autumn after the tobacco has been harvested. The cover crop is cut and turned under at least 4 weeks prior to placing the plants in. Depends on the type of cover crop and how long it takes to break down in the soil. Once the cover is broken down, the grower discs the land (tills with a fine tractor attachment). The fertilizer is usually added at this time. Any systemic bug killer or disease preventer may be added at this time. Well, spread out and then turned under. Some tobacco treatments, such as for Blue Mold, costs about $170.00 per quart. I think a quart treats an acre if the disease is not present and it is just a preventative measure. Once the tobacco is set (planted in the ground) you pray for rain. Just like any crop. If you don't get rain, you have to water. Usually growers use like a 2000 gallon tank on their tractor to water. Once the tobacco is established, you treat for weeds between the rows. (When you fertilize you can treat for weeds that are unlike a tobacco plant, i.e. broad leaf, vining, fine blade). A good tobacco plant needs to put all of its energy into making big, healthy leaves. It is the leaves that are harvested. Therefore, you need to keep the plant topped. Kept short and not permitted to flower. (When I helped 'top' the tobacco I thought I was gonna die of nicotine poisoning. Whew. Straight nicotine right through the skin. Also the stains on your hands from topping (breaking off the stalk about 5' high) are impossible to remove. You just have to let it wear off. After the tobacco has grown for the season you can tell it is ready to start harvest by the color. It should have been deep green as it was growing. Now that it is finished growing (usually September around here, determined by the weather and length of days) it will start to turn yellow. This is good. (But if it turns yellow it also may have a disease, so you gotta watch it and make sure it is the whole field and all the leaves at once.) Once it is yellow, you go out and cut it down. You usually use a tobacco stick. A tobacco stick is about 36" long, about 3/4" thick, with a pointed end on one side. You stick the tobacco stick in the ground. Then you cut a tobacco stalk at the base and lift it up to horizontal. Then you place this horizontal stalk over the tobacco stick. (The stick is sticking up between leaves close to the stalk about at the middle of the plant). You put as many stalks on the stick as will fit. You can leave the sticks in the field for a day or two, but only if it doesn't rain. Now you gather up all of your sticks. Time to hang the tobacco. You need to hang the tobacco in a protected place to cure. Curing means drying out, then reabsorbing moisture. A farmer usually has a barn, 4 bent, or 5 bent. This means that it is so many feet high. These barns are specifically built to be tobacco barns. There is a system of rough grids placed between the posts and beams. The grid is usually built from sturdy wood posts, just trees that have been cut before they are too big. Usually about 3 to 4 inches in diameter. This grid is created with the 36" tobacco stick in mind. Because you actually hang the stick with the tobacco on it from the grid pieces. Usually a farmer will find a really, really small (not short, just thin) person to hang. Because you have to be up there at the top of the barn, which can be 50' high and crawling around on that same grid system. Others are on the wagon, and up into the grid to hand the sticks up in a water bucket brigade type of system. Some farmers can afford barns or won't and they just hang their tobacco onto a grid made of, well, like chain link fence posts. Outside. Definitely more at the mercy of the weather. Now you wait. You need just the right amount of air going through the barn. You want the leaves to dry, but not too much. If they are too dry, they crumble. And this is not good. The drying process is usually pretty long. The leaves have to dry out, then they have to reabsorb moisture so they can be packaged. A package is about a 300 pound or so packed tight rectangular shaped tobacco bale. There are laws regulating how the tobacco leaves are separated and put in the bales. If you put cheap stuff in the middle and good stuff on the outside you are charged for a crime. This baler thing is kinda a wood box that you lay the leaves into criss-crossed. And then a heavy type of press is used to compact it as type as possible. (So it doesn't dry or absorb moisture.) Then the box has natural twine (no preservatives or face rope) spaced around it and in it so the tobacco bale can be tied up tight. These bales then go the auction. Government graders determine the grade of all bales. Then they are auctioned by grade, by farm. Last year's drought was horrible for tobacco. And the rainy spell at the beginning of the season was another hit. The government requires that all farmers purchase insurance to protect against crop loss. If you don't buy private, you must buy government. Minimum of $50 per crop, per farm. This was from when Clinton was helicoptering looking at the results of that flood in 1997 or so. Said we need to protect these people. We must pass a law that requires them to buy insurance. Thanks, just another bill added on. The good tobacco is usually bought by American tobacco companies. The cheaper, or lower grades, are typically sent out of country, to Japan or China usually. Usually most of Kentucky's crop is purchased by American companies. The labor for tobacco is stage specific. When you are planting, when you are topping, when you are cutting, when you are hanging and when you are baling. Many tobacco farmers use alien labor to help with their crops. Some aliens charge per stick for cutting or hanging. Others are employed by the farmer and do other chores on the farm for an hourly rate plus room. And not a very good hourly rate but it is more than they can earn at their homeland. Whew. Short course in tobacco. Let me know if I have confused us all or if this helps. Judy |
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Has anyone ever grown tobacco?
wrote in message ... With the price of cigarettes going up, I have taken to rolling my owm. I have no intention of quitting, but I am getting tired of paying those prices, and they are talking about adding more taxes. I live on a small farm, and have done my share of gardening, but I have cut back on the gardening because I grow all the veggies, and have no way to store most of them, and they just go to waste. Bring a smoker, I thought that I might be better using that garden space for tobacco. I am only planning on a small patch, maybe 25 x 50 feet, just to grow my own for myself. I'd like to hear from others that have grown tobacco and learn what to do, and not to do. Anyone???? Thanks Mark In some areas of the country it is illegal for a homeowner to grow tobacco (or cotton, or other commercially farmed crops) because of the risk of pests and diseases from the homeowner's crops being introduced into commercial crops. Homeowners aren't allowed to use the big bucks pesticides that keep these crops disease and pest free, and the fear is that a pest that thrives on the homeowner crops may turn out to be resistant to the chemicals and become $$$ loss to the commercial farmers. Sunflower MS 7b |
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Has anyone ever grown tobacco?
http://www.hot-ent.com/
I get Lewiston ultra light 100's for 12.50 or so, 1 buck per carton shipping. Ingrid wrote: With the price of cigarettes going up, I have taken to rolling my owm. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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Has anyone ever grown tobacco?
Having grown up on a tobacco farm in eastern NC, you covered a lot of territory
about the tobacco. However, your post talked about burly but in eastern NC, the tobacco is flue-cured. Instead of waiting until September, flue-cured tobacco is typically harvested one leaf at the time as the leaves ripen. Most farmers I knew tried to cover all their fields at least once a week from mid-July until the last leaves were harvested in early September. The first leaves harvested are called "sand lugs" since being on the bottom of the stalk, those leaves were usually covered with sandy soil. Choice leaves were in the middle of the plant (usually graded as "wrappers" at the sale) and the top, smaller leaves were "tips." After you pulled the leaves off the plant and put them in a trailer, the trailer was taken to the barn where the leaves were "strung" on a stick. Women and children did the barn work with the children preparing bundles of three or four leaves to hand to the adult "stringing" the tobacco. You had to keep the string tight and not loop it too far down the leaf. These sticks were then hung in the tobacco barn where it was cured. It takes a special skill to properly cure of barn of tobacco. I guess I could go on about how it was done but these are more mechanized these days. Farmers are limited by allotments and poundage restrictions as to how much they can produce. Raising and harvesting tobacco is definitely putting your faith out there since a hail storm could ruin it all in less than ten minutes. We won't even get into the hard work of irrigating or dealing with acres of plants blown over during a thunderstorm. It's a hard way to make a living, just like most agricultural crops. But it will teach you to appreciate air conditioning and many of the other conveniences of city life. |
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Has anyone ever grown tobacco?
I grew up on a tobacco farm in North Carolina and I can assure you that
growing tobacco is not easy. At that time the government controlled the production of tobacco by allocating the number of acres one could grow. Therefore, everyone tried to get as many pounds of tobacco per acre as possible. Rows were grown so close together that no mechanical equipment could be used. Instead we used mules for the heavy work. Tobacco is very nasty. The leaves are covered with sticky stuff and one is filthy after a day in the field. Any many people get so sick working in tobacco that they can hardly eat. We grew flue-cured bright tobacco which is hand picked, cured in heated barns, and hand graded. Lots of labor involved. (I left out a lot of steps, such as the steaming before grading. The steam room smells very much like the Lapchoon souchon (I know this isn't even close to the correct spelling) tea.) Then after all the wok the farmers do, the tobacco companies do more before cigarettes are made. They blend the tobacco and chop it up. The price of cigarettes is mostly taxes, not the cost of tobacco. If you want to save money on tobacco, see if you can't buy it direct from the farmers after it's been cured. Once it's at the tobacco market it's a controlled substance. By the way, the reason the government controls the amount a farmer can grow has nothing to do with the fact that tobacco is a dangerous product, but instead is part of the USDA price control system. When I was living on a farm the government guaranteed the minimum price of tobacco and it bought and stored tobacco if it didn't sell above that price. Just like butter and milk. I'm surprised that they didn't give it to the schools as part of the school lunch program. Compostman Washington, DC Zone 7 "Phisherman" wrote in message ... One post said growing tobacco was easy, and that is not my understanding. All the work is done by hand and the leaves need to be cured. Not too many (tobacco smoking) people would enjoy smoking the dried leaves, but those who I knew that did are not living today. It is very strong. One farmer used to chew the leaves, but after several years developed tongue cancer. |
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Has anyone ever grown tobacco?
thats odd, cause altho I have 150 students a year (and I am a heavy smoker at least
got one burning all the time) I rarely get sick. Had flu back in 97 I think. Last cold was a couple years ago 4 days after correcting 150 students exams. Now I dont even handle their exams before I nuke em in the microwave. LOL. Other than some allergy induced asthma, I am extremely healthy. Ingrid animaux wrote: I'd getevery flu every time it came around, I'd have sore throats, heavy chest colds, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List http://puregold.aquaria.net/ www.drsolo.com Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the endorsements or recommendations I make. |
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