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Hey everyone,
I'm a total newbie, but I've purchased 2 books about grass/lawn care
and one of them was Scotts "Lawns", a guide to a "beautiful lawn".
It's a great book and I highly recommend it, especially for greenhorns
like myself.

In December 2005, I purchased a home in San Antonio, Texas. During the
Spring, we had a severe drought condition and, being new to this whole
lawn thing, I neglected and did not take care of the grass. I've
attached some pictures of my lawn in hopes that it will help provide
some clues as to what is the best way for me to tackle this problem
and how I can bring it back and have the "toe-ticklinest turf in
town!"

Pics: http://www.ogmda.com/temp/lawn

My grass type: St. Augustine
Soil Test Results: Should be received this week! I am waiting for this
before I make a move on feeding the lawn

Question: With my lawn condition, should I just do some lawn patching
or do I need to renovate the lawn by killing the whole thing and then
starting over? What would you do?

What's the fastest way to get this lawn back in top shape?

Thanks for any advice!!
P.S I had Scotts do a free lawn analysis and they gave me the
following info: Turf density: Thin, Moderate shade, Aeration needed/
compacted soil, Clay loam, good mowing, drought stress, weeds: clover,
dandelion, dollarweed, oxalis, crabgrass, foxtail, goose grass, chinch
bugs(?)

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Hey everyone,
I'm a total newbie, but I've purchased 2 books about grass/lawn care
and one of them was Scotts "Lawns", a guide to a "beautiful lawn".
It's a great book and I highly recommend it, especially for greenhorns
like myself.

In December 2005, I purchased a home in San Antonio, Texas. During the
Spring, we had a severe drought condition and, being new to this whole
lawn thing, I neglected and did not take care of the grass. I've
attached some pictures of my lawn in hopes that it will help provide
some clues as to what is the best way for me to tackle this problem
and how I can bring it back and have the "toe-ticklinest turf in
town!"

Pics: http://www.ogmda.com/temp/lawn

My grass type: St. Augustine
Soil Test Results: Should be received this week! I am waiting for this
before I make a move on feeding the lawn

Question: With my lawn condition, should I just do some lawn patching
or do I need to renovate the lawn by killing the whole thing and then
starting over? What would you do?

What's the fastest way to get this lawn back in top shape?

Thanks for any advice!!
P.S I had Scotts do a free lawn analysis and they gave me the
following info: Turf density: Thin, Moderate shade, Aeration needed/
compacted soil, Clay loam, good mowing, drought stress, weeds: clover,
dandelion, dollarweed, oxalis, crabgrass, foxtail, goose grass, chinch
bugs(?)


Too busy here to respond in detail at the moment, but:

I'm not a big fan of dogs, but you apparently are. Keep in mind that the
Scott's franchises are in business to sell chemicals, none of which can be
legally tested for safety in humans. I have no idea if they've ever used
dogs as test subjects. Probably not.

I see you have some vegetables in the raised bed thing. Most lawn chemical
companies hire high school children to apply chemicals. They lie to these
employees, telling them that the stuff they're spraying is safe around food
crops. My one experience in this area involved walking out of my house about
30 seconds before a lawn spray child was about to contaminate MY vegetable
garden with a chemical which he claimed was safe, but was NOT legal to use
anywhere near food crops.

Everything else they told you is probably true (soil quality, etc), but you
can get that information in other ways. I would recommend that you contact
the cooperative extension service and get some advice from them. It's free,
and they don't sell anything. It's a service of your state university. It
exists to advise farmers and homeowners on agricultural issues. Go to google
and search using the words "cooperative extension texas". You'll find it.


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Scott's is a pesticide and synthetic fertilizer company so I would be
very weary of any advice they give to you. Having said that, you need
to water if you want a lawn, period. Each year I remove more and more
turf and replace it with perennial and annual plants which are native
or adapted to my area in Austin, TX.

You no longer have what I'd call a "lawn." If you want a "lawn" you
will have to remove all the turf and lay new sod and you must water it
every day, several times a day till it is established. After that,
St. Augustine can work well with one inch of water per week.

Everyone in Texas eventually gets chinch bugs, which can be regulated
using beneficial nematodes, but you must water to keep those alive.
Nematodes are un-segmented organisms which are microscopic and you can
get much more information about that online.

If it were my home, I'd remove most of that lawn and put in beds and
plant ground cover or have some interesting islands of companion
plants of differing color.


On 27 Mar 2007 06:56:26 -0700, "skunker" wrote:

Hey everyone,
I'm a total newbie, but I've purchased 2 books about grass/lawn care
and one of them was Scotts "Lawns", a guide to a "beautiful lawn".
It's a great book and I highly recommend it, especially for greenhorns
like myself.

In December 2005, I purchased a home in San Antonio, Texas. During the
Spring, we had a severe drought condition and, being new to this whole
lawn thing, I neglected and did not take care of the grass. I've
attached some pictures of my lawn in hopes that it will help provide
some clues as to what is the best way for me to tackle this problem
and how I can bring it back and have the "toe-ticklinest turf in
town!"

Pics: http://www.ogmda.com/temp/lawn

My grass type: St. Augustine
Soil Test Results: Should be received this week! I am waiting for this
before I make a move on feeding the lawn

Question: With my lawn condition, should I just do some lawn patching
or do I need to renovate the lawn by killing the whole thing and then
starting over? What would you do?

What's the fastest way to get this lawn back in top shape?

Thanks for any advice!!
P.S I had Scotts do a free lawn analysis and they gave me the
following info: Turf density: Thin, Moderate shade, Aeration needed/
compacted soil, Clay loam, good mowing, drought stress, weeds: clover,
dandelion, dollarweed, oxalis, crabgrass, foxtail, goose grass, chinch
bugs(?)


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"skunker" wrote in message
Question: With my lawn condition, should I just do some lawn patching
or do I need to renovate the lawn by killing the whole thing and then
starting over? What would you do?

What's the fastest way to get this lawn back in top shape?



I didn't see an abundance of St. Augustine there- 90% of what you have are
weeds.

IMO the fastest way to get it into top shape would be to kill/remove all the
weeds and resod with a new and improved St. Augustine variety. Then maintain
it with good food and proper watering- not a buttload of chemical
applications from a service needing to justify monthly charges.

You could of course use selective herbicides to kill the weeds and just
nurture along what little St. Augustine you have, but that is in no way fast
and you'll have lots of mud in the interim. St. Augustine is fast, but I
still see it taking at least two years if you do it this way.


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On Mar 27, 12:57 pm, "Buderschnookie" wrote:
"skunker" wrote in message
Question: With my lawn condition, should I just do some lawn patching
or do I need to renovate the lawn by killing the whole thing and then
starting over? What would you do?


What's the fastest way to get this lawn back in top shape?


I didn't see an abundance of St. Augustine there- 90% of what you have are
weeds.

IMO the fastest way to get it into top shape would be to kill/remove all the
weeds and resod with a new and improved St. Augustine variety. Then maintain
it with good food and proper watering- not a buttload of chemical
applications from a service needing to justify monthly charges.

You could of course use selective herbicides to kill the weeds and just
nurture along what little St. Augustine you have, but that is in no way fast
and you'll have lots of mud in the interim. St. Augustine is fast, but I
still see it taking at least two years if you do it this way.

--
Toni
South Florida USA
USDA Zone 10http://www.cearbhaill.com


Thanks guys,
So is it faster if I just killed it and started over with new sod?
Can it be done in one year? I may sell in that timeframe, not sure yet.



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"skunker" wrote in message
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On Mar 27, 12:57 pm, "Buderschnookie" wrote:
"skunker" wrote in message
Question: With my lawn condition, should I just do some lawn patching
or do I need to renovate the lawn by killing the whole thing and then
starting over? What would you do?


What's the fastest way to get this lawn back in top shape?


I didn't see an abundance of St. Augustine there- 90% of what you have
are
weeds.

IMO the fastest way to get it into top shape would be to kill/remove all
the
weeds and resod with a new and improved St. Augustine variety. Then
maintain
it with good food and proper watering- not a buttload of chemical
applications from a service needing to justify monthly charges.

You could of course use selective herbicides to kill the weeds and just
nurture along what little St. Augustine you have, but that is in no way
fast
and you'll have lots of mud in the interim. St. Augustine is fast, but I
still see it taking at least two years if you do it this way.

--
Toni
South Florida USA
USDA Zone 10http://www.cearbhaill.com


Thanks guys,
So is it faster if I just killed it and started over with new sod?
Can it be done in one year? I may sell in that timeframe, not sure yet.


Don't take this the wrong way, but considering your knowledge level, I think
you should hire a pro to install the sod. It will be done in a day. Specify
NO CHEMICAL WEED KILLERS. You'll remove all 19 of your weed clumps by hand,
if the sod installer wants you to. Make sure his contract says that you are
responsible for watering the new sod perfectly, and that he's not to blame
if you don't take care of it nicely.


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On 27 Mar 2007 14:47:45 -0700, "skunker" wrote:


Thanks guys,
So is it faster if I just killed it and started over with new sod?
Can it be done in one year? I may sell in that timeframe, not sure yet.


Yes, much faster. And, from what you'll pay for the sod you'll have a
much nicer curb appeal.
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My grass type: St. Augustine
Soil Test Results: Should be received this week! I am waiting for this
before I make a move on feeding the lawn


First understand that people who say they feed your lawn or your trees
flunked photosynthesis. Most of them are product pushers trying to push
their products trying to make you believe they are feeding your plants. If
we could feed your lawn we would put the sun out of business. Think about
it. Sure we can apply essential elements, but we don't feed. Most people
who claim to "feed" your lawn or trees are pushing nitrogen which goes right
into your drinking water. What about the other 16 essential elements? They
are the same people who claim the tree had feeder roots and root flairs.
They probably also push wound dressing. (Link on wound dressing -
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...ing/index.html)

Ref: http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/T/index.html see "TREE FOOD".
If your lawn care or tree care person claims to be feeding its time to look
for a better qualified person. Try to avoid product pushers. Qustions to
as to select a professional. http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/quiz.html and
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/quiz-ma100.html If you need help with any of
the questions, I did not write the, I will help you.




What's the fastest way to get this lawn back in top shape?


Top dress with composted leaves and help feed the soil. We can feed the
soil carbohydate based substances. Try to keep your lawn away from yourt
trees. See proper mulching before acting.
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub3.html

Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

To winterize or
not to winterize lawn



"Winterize your lawn", the big sign outside the garden store commanded. I've
fed it, watered it, mowed it, raked it and watched a lot of it die away. Now
I'm supposed to winterize it? I hope it's too late. Grass lawns have to be
the stupidest thing we've come up with outside of a thong swimsuits! We
constantly battle dandelions, Queen's lace, thistle, violets, chicory and
clover that thrive naturally, so we can grow grass that must be nursed
through an annual four-step chemical dependency.



Imagine the conversation The Creator might have with St. Francis about this:



"Frank you know all about gardens and nature. What in the world is going on
down there in the Midwest? What happened to the dandelions, violets, thistle
and stuff I started eons ago? I had a perfect, no-maintenance garden plan.
Those plants grow in any type of soil, withstand drought and multiply with
abandon. The nectar from the long-lasting blossoms attracted butterflies,
honeybees and flocks of songbirds. I expected to see a vast garden of colors
by now. But all I see are these green rectangles."



" It's the tribes that settled there, Lord. The Suburbanites.

They started calling your flowers "weeds" and went to great extent to kill
them and replace them with grass".



" Grass? But its so boring. Its not colorful. It doesn't attract
butterflies, birds and bees, Only grubs and sod worms. Its' temperamental
with temperatures. Do these Suburbanites really want all that green grass
growing there?



" Apparently so, Lord, They go to great pains to grow it and keep it green.
They begin each spring by fertilizing grass and poising any other plant that
crops up in the lawn".



" The spring rains and cool weather probably make grass grow really fast.
That must make the Suburbanites happy".



" Not exactly, Lord. As soon as it grows a little, they cut it-sometimes
twice a week".



" They cut it? Do they then bale it like hay?"



" Not exactly, Lord. Most of them rake it up and put it in bags."



" They bag it? Why? Is it a cash crop? Do they sell it?"



" No, sir. Just the opposite. They pay to throw it away".



" Now let me get this straight. They fertilize grass so it will grow. And
when it does grow, they cut it off and pay to throw it away?"



" Yes, sir."



" These Suburbanites must be relieved in the summer when we cut back on the
rain and turn up the heat. That surely slows the growth and saves them a lot
of work."



" You aren't going to believe this Lord. When the grass stops growing so
fast, they drag out hoses and pay more money to water it so they can
continue to mow it and pay to get rid of it."



" What nonsense! At least they kept some of the trees. That was a sheer
stroke of genius,

if I do say so myself. The trees grow leaves in the spring to provide beauty
an d shade in the summer . In the autumn they fall to the ground and form a
natural blanket

to keep moisture in the soil and protect the trees and bushes. Plus, as they
rot, the leaves form compost to enhance the soil. It's a natural circle of
life."



" You better sit down, Lord. The suburbanites have drawn a new circle. As
soon as the leaves fall, they rake them into great piles and have them
hauled away."



" No! What do they do to protect the shrub and the tree roots in the winter
and keep the soil moist and loose?"



" After throwing away your leaves, they go out and buy something they call
mulch. They haul it home and spread it around in the place of leaves."



" and where do they get this mulch?"



" They cut down trees and grind them up."



"Enough! I don't want to think about this anymore. Saint Catherine, you're
in charge of the arts. What movie have you scheduled for us tonight?"



" Dumb and Dumber, Lord. It's a real stupid movie about.



" Never mind I think I just heard the whole story."


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The extension services I am aware of, especially Penn State are product
pushers.


Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

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"skunker" wrote in message
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Hey everyone,
I'm a total newbie, but I've purchased 2 books about grass/lawn care
and one of them was Scotts "Lawns", a guide to a "beautiful lawn".
It's a great book and I highly recommend it, especially for greenhorns
like myself.

In December 2005, I purchased a home in San Antonio, Texas. During the
Spring, we had a severe drought condition and, being new to this whole
lawn thing, I neglected and did not take care of the grass. I've
attached some pictures of my lawn in hopes that it will help provide
some clues as to what is the best way for me to tackle this problem
and how I can bring it back and have the "toe-ticklinest turf in
town!"

Pics: http://www.ogmda.com/temp/lawn

My grass type: St. Augustine
Soil Test Results: Should be received this week! I am waiting for this
before I make a move on feeding the lawn

Question: With my lawn condition, should I just do some lawn patching
or do I need to renovate the lawn by killing the whole thing and then
starting over? What would you do?

What's the fastest way to get this lawn back in top shape?

Thanks for any advice!!
P.S I had Scotts do a free lawn analysis and they gave me the
following info: Turf density: Thin, Moderate shade, Aeration needed/
compacted soil, Clay loam, good mowing, drought stress, weeds: clover,
dandelion, dollarweed, oxalis, crabgrass, foxtail, goose grass, chinch
bugs(?)


Too busy here to respond in detail at the moment, but:

I'm not a big fan of dogs, but you apparently are. Keep in mind that the
Scott's franchises are in business to sell chemicals, none of which can be
legally tested for safety in humans. I have no idea if they've ever used
dogs as test subjects. Probably not.

I see you have some vegetables in the raised bed thing. Most lawn chemical
companies hire high school children to apply chemicals. They lie to these
employees, telling them that the stuff they're spraying is safe around
food crops. My one experience in this area involved walking out of my
house about 30 seconds before a lawn spray child was about to contaminate
MY vegetable garden with a chemical which he claimed was safe, but was NOT
legal to use anywhere near food crops.

Everything else they told you is probably true (soil quality, etc), but
you can get that information in other ways. I would recommend that you
contact the cooperative extension service and get some advice from them.
It's free, and they don't sell anything. It's a service of your state
university. It exists to advise farmers and homeowners on agricultural
issues. Go to google and search using the words "cooperative extension
texas". You'll find it.



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You could of course use selective herbicides to kill the weeds and just
nurture along what little St. Augustine you have, but that is in no way
fast and you'll have lots of mud in the interim. St. Augustine is fast,
but I still see it taking at least two years if you do it this way.

Not the best treatment of dog.

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Sincerely,
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Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.


--
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South Florida USA
USDA Zone 10
http://www.cearbhaill.com







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Thanks for your feedback John. Surprisingly, the guys from TRUGREEN
said pretty much what you just said, however, the Scotts people pushed
their products big time.

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"skunker" wrote in message
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Thanks guys,
So is it faster if I just killed it and started over with new sod?
Can it be done in one year? I may sell in that timeframe, not sure yet.



It can be done in much less than a year- if you do the prep work properly,
lay the sod correctly, and stay super vigilant about your watering schedule
while it is getting established.
If you screw up with any of those three it is a waste of money.

If you're going to do it now, get cracking. The worst of the heat isn't here
yet, but it will be soon, and sod wihtout established roots dries out very
quickly. If you are hand watering (no irrigation system) I would go as far
as having the install done on a vacation week or two so you will be
available to keep to the watering schedule on those first crucial weeks.


--
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South Florida USA
USDA Zone 10
http://www.cearbhaill.com



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"symplastless" wrote in message
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The extension services I am aware of, especially Penn State are product
pushers.


Some extension services use volunteers, so it's likely you're hearing their
personal opinions. Since we have two very accurate surveys proving that a
little over 50% of the population is pathetically stupid, you have to take
everything you hear with a grain of salt.

The best thing for gardeners to do is hire private detectives to help them
find their local library. Then, read some books, and take the least
poisonous or invasive approach to solving problems.


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Too busy here to respond in detail at the moment, but:

But you will anyway, Doug Kanter.

I'm not a big fan of dogs, but you apparently are

Many people enjoy a dogs company Doug, you advocate killing your neighbors
dog if you can catch him or poison him with a bowl of antifreeze.

Scott's franchises are in business to sell chemicals, none of which can be
legally tested for safety in humans. I have no idea if they've ever used
dogs as test subjects. Probably not.

You hate dogs, you talk about leaving bowls of anti freeze out for them.

Most lawn chemical companies hire high school children to apply
chemicals.

Really? High school children?

I'm sure you have some data to back up your claim of children spraying
control product on lawns in the USA, right?

They hire grocery stock boys at that age first, ask your dad and your son,
then yourself.

They lie to these
employees, telling them that the stuff they're spraying is safe around
food

Most real applicators are pesticide certified by the state they're doing
business in. You can't lie to them.

Now go get your shine-box, stockboy Doug Kanter aka JoeSpareBedroom.



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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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Too busy here to respond in detail at the moment, but:

But you will anyway, Doug Kanter.

I'm not a big fan of dogs, but you apparently are

Many people enjoy a dogs company Doug, you advocate killing your
neighbors dog if you can catch him or poison him with a bowl of
antifreeze.

Scott's franchises are in business to sell chemicals, none of which can be
legally tested for safety in humans. I have no idea if they've ever used
dogs as test subjects. Probably not.

You hate dogs, you talk about leaving bowls of anti freeze out for them.

Most lawn chemical companies hire high school children to apply
chemicals.

Really? High school children?

I'm sure you have some data to back up your claim of children spraying
control product on lawns in the USA, right?

They hire grocery stock boys at that age first, ask your dad and your son,
then yourself.

They lie to these
employees, telling them that the stuff they're spraying is safe around
food

Most real applicators are pesticide certified by the state they're doing
business in. You can't lie to them.

Now go get your shine-box, stockboy Doug Kanter aka JoeSpareBedroom.



High school children. Exactly what I said. I've seen it. Prove me wrong.
Right the **** now.

Prove me wrong.


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