"Omelet" wrote in message
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In article 1,
"Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan" wrote:

Charlie was forced to post this in: rec.gardens

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/27/1485/

Excerpt from article:

"Almost a quarter of this year's US corn crop is expected to be turned
into
fuel. Drought in Australia has added to the food prices spike, which is
feeding through to world inflation."

I swear to Gawd I'd be much happier if we went back to the horse and
buggy
days.

Michael

But it still takes "fuel" to feed the horse. G

Can't win can we?

Wonder what the mpb (mile per bushel) for horses is?

I still don't understand why biofuel is being manufactured from food
instead of waste! There are tons and tons of weeds and corn STALKS that
can be used instead. Wheat straw, millet, milo and sorghum straw (hell
any stalks left over from ANY grain crops) as well as the non-edible
tops from root crops.


I am involved with a client that is breaking in to the biofuel world. They
have perfected a process that turns meat-processing sludge (they are working
primarily with chicken plant sludge which is basically everything that is
left over at the end of the production run) into the appropriate amino acid
base for a biofuel blend. This sludge is run through a *cleaning* process
which has a yield rate of roughly 80% usable material to garbage and then it
is refined which drops the final yield another 10%. The end product is then
blended with diesel at varying rates depending on the needs of the final
consumer. It's an up and coming industry and they are very secretive about
the processes, etc so I don't have any idea what kind of energy use is
required to render the final product, but was told that the rendering
process does require more work than does Palm or Corn (the 2 most prolific
oil bases currently used) , but that overall, their cost per gallon is quite
a bit less due the to cost of raw material and transportation vs the other
2. (Most of the Palm oil is shipped in from Africa and there is not as great
a density in farms producing corn for fuel as compared to the relatively
high density iseen n the poultry processing areas.

KW

All it really takes is digestible cellulose.

What am I missing here?

A bit of BS perhaps?

Speaking of BS, methane can also be compressed and used as a liquid fuel
and heaven knows there is enough sh** being produced!
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In article ,
"KW" keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet wrote:

I am involved with a client that is breaking in to the biofuel world. They
have perfected a process that turns meat-processing sludge (they are working
primarily with chicken plant sludge which is basically everything that is
left over at the end of the production run) into the appropriate amino acid
base for a biofuel blend. This sludge is run through a *cleaning* process
which has a yield rate of roughly 80% usable material to garbage and then it
is refined which drops the final yield another 10%. The end product is then
blended with diesel at varying rates depending on the needs of the final
consumer. It's an up and coming industry and they are very secretive about
the processes, etc so I don't have any idea what kind of energy use is
required to render the final product, but was told that the rendering
process does require more work than does Palm or Corn (the 2 most prolific
oil bases currently used) , but that overall, their cost per gallon is quite
a bit less due the to cost of raw material and transportation vs the other
2. (Most of the Palm oil is shipped in from Africa and there is not as great
a density in farms producing corn for fuel as compared to the relatively
high density iseen n the poultry processing areas.

KW

Chicken plant sludge? We call that sausage. There is nothing left over.
Nothing but the horrid smell of a charnel house. Even the feathers are
feed to cows for protein.
The way this works is that cattle and chickens are basically corn,
because corn is cheap. The corn in turn is based on petroleum
(fertilizer, insecticides and fuel for the tractor) that is owned by
people who hate us because we are trying to take it away from them (and
have been since [1953?], when we sent Kermit Roosevelt (CIA) to Iran to
over throw the legally elected government of Dr. Mohammed Mosaddeq and
install our ruthless puppet the Shah. [ and people wonder why they don't
like us]). I presume that this isn't a pitch and, that you are just
trying to pass along information, for which I appreciate the thought,
BUT you don't make biodiesel from amino acids. You make protein from
amino acids and, fuel from carbohydrates, like sugar or, hydrocarbons,
like oil.

Your friend might want to get his money back. Bush SAYS he is pushing
for fuel cells.

- Bill
Coloribus gustibus non disputatum (mostly)

On Wed, 30 May 2007 11:33:58 -0700, Bill Rose
wrote:



Chicken plant sludge? We call that sausage. There is nothing left over.
Nothing but the horrid smell of a charnel house. Even the feathers are
feed to cows for protein.

Looks like the price of beef is going to skyrocket, if'ns we feed both
the corn and chickenshit/feathers to our cars.

Holy shit, horrid doesn't even describe it. I've driven by these
places, in southern MO and northern ARK. In our end of the state
someone is always fighting with, and usually losing to, the pork
producers and the state. Premium Farms has emptied a large part of a
neighboring county with the stench and pollution. I shit you not, if
you even walk in one of those buildings for a few seconds, the reek is
nigh on impossible to remove from your skin and clothing. I don't give
a crap what they claim and "verify", they are destroying large areas of
the environment, let alone the independent producers, of which there
are few left. Money talks and pigshit reeks.

There would be a whole lot less fast food eaten if people could drive
by and see and smell these places. Tyson? Hormel? Patooie.

Your friend might want to get his money back. Bush SAYS he is pushing
for fuel cells.

*snork*

Charlie

In article
,
Bill Rose wrote:

Bush SAYS he is pushing
for fuel cells.

- Bill

I'll believe that when I see it...
I think he's just playing lip service if you know what I mean.
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 20:52:51 -0500, Omelet
wrote:

In article
,
Bill Rose wrote:

Bush SAYS he is pushing
for fuel cells.

- Bill

I'll believe that when I see it...
I think he's just playing lip service if you know what I mean.

Hmmmm.....thought that was the the Arkansawyer that played that.

In article , Charlie wrote:

On Wed, 30 May 2007 20:52:51 -0500, Omelet
wrote:

In article
,
Bill Rose wrote:

Bush SAYS he is pushing
for fuel cells.

- Bill

I'll believe that when I see it...
I think he's just playing lip service if you know what I mean.

Hmmmm.....thought that was the the Arkansawyer that played that.

Huh?????
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In article , Charlie wrote:

On Wed, 30 May 2007 20:52:51 -0500, Omelet
wrote:

In article
,
Bill Rose wrote:

Bush SAYS he is pushing
for fuel cells.

- Bill

I'll believe that when I see it...
I think he's just playing lip service if you know what I mean.

Hmmmm.....thought that was the the Arkansawyer that played that.

Huh?????
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Hi Om,

I believe charlie was referencing (jokingly) the bill & monica scandel, uh,
show! charlie can correct me if i'm wrong though.......

Rae

In article ,
"Rachael Simpson" wrote:

I'll believe that when I see it...
I think he's just playing lip service if you know what I mean.

Hmmmm.....thought that was the the Arkansawyer that played that.

Huh?????

Hi Om,

I believe charlie was referencing (jokingly) the bill & monica scandel, uh,
show! charlie can correct me if i'm wrong though.......

Rae

Makes sense now, sorry! ;-)

Just color that a "duh" moment for me! lol
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