Omelet wrote in
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In article 1,
"Michael \"Dog3\" Lonergan" wrote:

Charlie was forced to post this in: rec.gardens

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/05/27/1485/

Excerpt from article:

"Almost a quarter of this year’s US corn crop is expected to be
turned into fuel. Drought in Australia has added to the food prices
spike, which is feeding through to world inflation."

I swear to Gawd I'd be much happier if we went back to the horse and
buggy days.

Michael

But it still takes "fuel" to feed the horse. G

You put them on the lawn. (I do that with all three of mine.) What they
produce from trimming the lawn gets fed back to the garden in time.

Don't think that a good buggy and harness and horse cost any less than a
car, though, those days are pretty much gone. And my big boy produces
more than his share of methane -- and it's usually when I'm grooming his
tail.

the problem is, all carbon based fuels release CO2 when burned.

what we need is to break the hydrogen oxygen bond in water and then burn the hydrogen
back to water. plants do this, they use solar energy to knock the hydrogen off the
water, use the energy of the electrons to form a covalent bond (organic) that stores
the energy (using CO2). That is really clean energy.

Ingrid


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In article ,
wrote:

the problem is, all carbon based fuels release CO2 when burned.

what we need is to break the hydrogen oxygen bond in water and then burn the
hydrogen
back to water. plants do this, they use solar energy to knock the hydrogen
off the
water, use the energy of the electrons to form a covalent bond (organic) that
stores
the energy (using CO2). That is really clean energy.

Ingrid


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Not to put too fine a point on it, but fossil fuel has been out of the
carbon cycle for a long time and is being reintroduced. Wood burned from
last year though is just going around and around in the carbon cycle. We
need to stop burning fossil fuel.

- Bill
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In article
,
Bill Rose wrote:

Not to put too fine a point on it, but fossil fuel has been out of the
carbon cycle for a long time and is being reintroduced. Wood burned from
last year though is just going around and around in the carbon cycle. We
need to stop burning fossil fuel.

- Bill
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Absofrigginlootly! :-)

And guess what? It'd also drastically improve global air quality...
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the algae and other plants that sucked up all the CO2, died and were buried is what
made the planet climates what they are now. There are already huge prizes being
offered for methods of sequestering CO2, essentially, CO2 scrubbers that remove CO2
from the air (CO2 is soluble in water), form a chemical reaction that removes it from
the water and then inject it back into those empty oil wells or whatever. Limestone
is calcium and magnesium carbonates, so it could also be used to make limestone
bricks to construct houses? problem is acid dissolves limestone.

and do it using non-polluting energy!!! like the sun or wind. Ingrid

Bill Rose wrote:
Not to put too fine a point on it, but fossil fuel has been out of the
carbon cycle for a long time and is being reintroduced. Wood burned from
last year though is just going around and around in the carbon cycle. We
need to stop burning fossil fuel.


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In article ,
wrote:

the algae and other plants that sucked up all the CO2, died and were buried
is what
made the planet climates what they are now. There are already huge prizes
being
offered for methods of sequestering CO2, essentially, CO2 scrubbers that
remove CO2
from the air (CO2 is soluble in water), form a chemical reaction that removes
it from
the water and then inject it back into those empty oil wells or whatever.
Limestone
is calcium and magnesium carbonates, so it could also be used to make
limestone
bricks to construct houses? problem is acid dissolves limestone.

and do it using non-polluting energy!!! like the sun or wind. Ingrid

Yeah. You are right. But "bottom line" people will see that this costs
them money. They will be dragged to environmentalism, kicking and
screaming. Countries that don't clean-up will get more energy per pound
(gallon, whatever), which will put us at a disadvantage (so the spin
will go). The biggest bang for our buck that we can get RIGHT NOW is
conservation. The $10,000,000 the the knuckle head at 1600 Pennsylvania
Ave. wants (and sadly, so does Obama) to put into energy savings from
ethanol (which will be grown with petroleum) can be had for $3,000,000
and change by conservation.

The thing with fission power is (besides the massive problem of it's
waste, even in fast breeders) is that workers exposed to radiation pass
their injuries on to the following generations. If a coal miner gets
black lung, the injury dies with him. I know. It's a pretty cold
calculus.

If we could reduce CO2 and wait 30 years, there should be fusion
reactors which will be infinitely safer than coal or fission.

In the meantime conservation, water power (including tidal), wind power
and, photovoltaic could buy us time.

Bill Rose wrote:
Not to put too fine a point on it, but fossil fuel has been out of the
carbon cycle for a long time and is being reintroduced. Wood burned from
last year though is just going around and around in the carbon cycle. We
need to stop burning fossil fuel.


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- Bill
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In article ,
wrote:

the problem is, all carbon based fuels release CO2 when burned.

what we need is to break the hydrogen oxygen bond in water and then burn the
hydrogen
back to water. plants do this, they use solar energy to knock the hydrogen
off the
water, use the energy of the electrons to form a covalent bond (organic) that
stores
the energy (using CO2). That is really clean energy.

Ingrid

So invent the process and make it profitable.
You could be the next multi-billionaire...

:-)

It really is not that hard to make Hydrogen.
The trick is getting people to use it as a fuel, make it cost effective,
and SAFE.
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I am not in the lab anymore.
up to this point mother nature has been fooling with the light reaction center in
plants that soak up the photon of energy and use it to break water (water is
typically broken by running electricity thru a platinum wire). Chlorophyll is the
best (so far) at doing this, but uses only blue and red light. It is the biotech
people will start fooling with the reaction centers of chloroplasts to stick them
into a synthetic membrane and/or make a better photon grabber. Maybe layer several
different reaction centers that absorb across the whole spectrum so they are more
efficient.

hook this up with some extremely high efficiency lights over the membranes (light the
flashlights that have a little generator in them) and no need for solar light. maybe
have the choice of cranking it up to get it started, or, a good battery.

Ingrid

Omelet wrote:
So invent the process and make it profitable.
You could be the next multi-billionaire...
It really is not that hard to make Hydrogen.
The trick is getting people to use it as a fuel, make it cost effective,
and SAFE.

In article ,
wrote:
the problem is, all carbon based fuels release CO2 when burned.
what we need is to break the hydrogen oxygen bond in water and then burn the
hydrogen back to water. plants do this, they use solar energy to knock the hydrogen
off the water, use the energy of the electrons to form a covalent bond (organic) that
stores the energy (using CO2). That is really clean energy. Ingrid




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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 08:52:36 -0500, Omelet
wrote:

So invent the process and make it profitable.
You could be the next multi-billionaire...

I know you may be kidding, but the problem IS money. There is no
reason why gas is costing what it does. Oil tycoons made record
profits the last three years in a row. It's disgusting, along with
the greed and every putrid thing about it, the desire for it, the
attachment to it,etc.

In article ,
jangchub wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 08:52:36 -0500, Omelet
wrote:

So invent the process and make it profitable.
You could be the next multi-billionaire...

I know you may be kidding, but the problem IS money.

Only half-way.
It really IS easy to make Hydrogen.
It's one of the most abundant elements in the universe.

The oil companies have a stranglehold on the economy.
They don't WANT alternative energy and he who has the gold makes the
rules. :-(

There is no
reason why gas is costing what it does. Oil tycoons made record
profits the last three years in a row.

Both true.

It's disgusting, along with
the greed and every putrid thing about it, the desire for it, the
attachment to it,etc.

You are preachin' to the choir. ;-)
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Omelet expounded:

You are preachin' to the choir. ;-)

Yep. I think there's lots of us, but the powers-that-be don't want to
hear us (
--
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South of Boston, Massachusetts
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Omelet expounded:

You are preachin' to the choir. ;-)

Yep. I think there's lots of us, but the powers-that-be don't want to
hear us (
--
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
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AMEN!

In article ,
Ann wrote:

Omelet expounded:

You are preachin' to the choir. ;-)

Yep. I think there's lots of us, but the powers-that-be don't want to
hear us (

They would if we could (somehow) quit buying gasoline,
but how many of us can do that?
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 10:58:50 -0400, Ann wrote:

Omelet expounded:

You are preachin' to the choir. ;-)

Yep. I think there's lots of us, but the powers-that-be don't want to
hear us (

There are a LOT more of us now than ever before. AT one time, even in
this newsgroup we were the minority. It is wonderful to see
American's finally waking up to the administration full of theft and
lies.

On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 09:17:39 -0500, Omelet

You are preachin' to the choir. ;-)

I know!