To: All European Citizens who care about Animals

This is a critical time. The European Commission (EC) is currently
revising the law - known as Directive 86/609 - that governs animal
experiments across Europe.

86/609 is a hugely powerful Directive that has power of life and death
over millions of animals across the continent - setting out minimum
standards for how and whether animals can be used in experiments.

A staggering ten million animals are used in outdated and wasteful
experiments in European laboratories every year. The Directive is
supposed to ensure "the protection of animals used for experimental
and other scientific purposes" but the huge numbers show that it's
just not doing that.

There is a real possibility that with enough support the EC will ban
all primate tests as part of the revised law.

Written Declaration 40/2007 urges the European Parliament to use the
revision process of Directive 86/609/EC as an opportunity to establish
a timetable for replacing the use of all primates in scientific
experiments with alternatives. The Declaration will fall on 7th
September and the signatures of half the MEPs in the Parliament is
needed by then.

If you care about animals visit the following website to urge them to
sign Written Declaration 40/2007.
http://www.navs.org.uk/take_action/39/0/885/

If you want to do mo-

Please write to the European Commission and ask them to ban primate
tests. To help, a prepared letter can be found at
http://www.eceae.org/saveprimates/en/action.html

The address is:-
Mr. Stavros Dimas
Commissioner for Environment
European Commission
B-1049, Brussels, Belgium

Please tell all your colleagues and friends in the UK and Europe about
Written Declaration 40/2007.

For information on Alternatives to Animal Testing and why they work
visit the Dr Hadwen Trust
http://www.drhadwentrust.org/

For further information:-
http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/2987

http://www.buav.org

Thank You

Tony, Nottingham, England

TONY-GAL wrote:
To: All European Citizens who care about Animals

This is a critical time. The European Commission (EC) is currently
revising the law - known as Directive 86/609 - that governs animal
experiments across Europe.

86/609 is a hugely powerful Directive that has power of life and death
over millions of animals across the continent - setting out minimum
standards for how and whether animals can be used in experiments.

A staggering ten million animals are used in outdated and wasteful
experiments in European laboratories every year. The Directive is
supposed to ensure "the protection of animals used for experimental
and other scientific purposes" but the huge numbers show that it's
just not doing that.

There is a real possibility that with enough support the EC will ban
all primate tests as part of the revised law.

Written Declaration 40/2007 urges the European Parliament to use the
revision process of Directive 86/609/EC as an opportunity to establish
a timetable for replacing the use of all primates in scientific
experiments with alternatives. The Declaration will fall on 7th
September and the signatures of half the MEPs in the Parliament is
needed by then.

If you care about animals visit the following website to urge them to
sign Written Declaration 40/2007.
http://www.navs.org.uk/take_action/39/0/885/

If you want to do mo-

Please write to the European Commission and ask them to ban primate
tests. To help, a prepared letter can be found at
http://www.eceae.org/saveprimates/en/action.html

The address is:-
Mr. Stavros Dimas
Commissioner for Environment
European Commission
B-1049, Brussels, Belgium

Please tell all your colleagues and friends in the UK and Europe about
Written Declaration 40/2007.

For information on Alternatives to Animal Testing and why they work
visit the Dr Hadwen Trust
http://www.drhadwentrust.org/

For further information:-
http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/2987

http://www.buav.org

Thank You

Tony, Nottingham, England


And this has what to do with gardens? If the primates are excused from
testing should we expect them to come around weekly and help with the
weeding?

--
John McGaw
[Knoxville, TN, USA]
http://johnmcgaw.com

John McGaw wrote:


And this has what to do with gardens? If the primates are excused from
testing should we expect them to come around weekly and help with the
weeding?


Nothing but if we do what these whack jobs want toxicity of new
pesticides will be directly tested on humans.

After trying to poison rats and mice and seeing if a pesticide burns
rabbits eyes and effect on minnows and shrimp, you screen with primates.

On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:29:02 -0400, John McGaw
wrote:

TONY-GAL wrote:
To: All European Citizens who care about Animals

This is a critical time. The European Commission (EC) is currently
revising the law - known as Directive 86/609 - that governs animal
experiments across Europe.

86/609 is a hugely powerful Directive that has power of life and death
over millions of animals across the continent - setting out minimum
standards for how and whether animals can be used in experiments.

A staggering ten million animals are used in outdated and wasteful
experiments in European laboratories every year. The Directive is
supposed to ensure "the protection of animals used for experimental
and other scientific purposes" but the huge numbers show that it's
just not doing that.

There is a real possibility that with enough support the EC will ban
all primate tests as part of the revised law.

Written Declaration 40/2007 urges the European Parliament to use the
revision process of Directive 86/609/EC as an opportunity to establish
a timetable for replacing the use of all primates in scientific
experiments with alternatives. The Declaration will fall on 7th
September and the signatures of half the MEPs in the Parliament is
needed by then.

If you care about animals visit the following website to urge them to
sign Written Declaration 40/2007.
http://www.navs.org.uk/take_action/39/0/885/

If you want to do mo-

Please write to the European Commission and ask them to ban primate
tests. To help, a prepared letter can be found at
http://www.eceae.org/saveprimates/en/action.html

The address is:-
Mr. Stavros Dimas
Commissioner for Environment
European Commission
B-1049, Brussels, Belgium

Please tell all your colleagues and friends in the UK and Europe about
Written Declaration 40/2007.

For information on Alternatives to Animal Testing and why they work
visit the Dr Hadwen Trust
http://www.drhadwentrust.org/

For further information:-
http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/2987

http://www.buav.org

Thank You

Tony, Nottingham, England


And this has what to do with gardens? If the primates are excused from
testing should we expect them to come around weekly and help with the
weeding?

That's a silly and frivolous comment on what appears to be a serious
and worthwhile issue.

All living things are connected.

Persephone

In article , Persephone
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:29:02 -0400, John McGaw
wrote:

TONY-GAL wrote:
To: All European Citizens who care about Animals

This is a critical time. The European Commission (EC) is currently
revising the law - known as Directive 86/609 - that governs animal
experiments across Europe.

86/609 is a hugely powerful Directive that has power of life and death
over millions of animals across the continent - setting out minimum
standards for how and whether animals can be used in experiments.

A staggering ten million animals are used in outdated and wasteful
experiments in European laboratories every year. The Directive is
supposed to ensure "the protection of animals used for experimental
and other scientific purposes" but the huge numbers show that it's
just not doing that.

There is a real possibility that with enough support the EC will ban
all primate tests as part of the revised law.

Written Declaration 40/2007 urges the European Parliament to use the
revision process of Directive 86/609/EC as an opportunity to establish
a timetable for replacing the use of all primates in scientific
experiments with alternatives. The Declaration will fall on 7th
September and the signatures of half the MEPs in the Parliament is
needed by then.

If you care about animals visit the following website to urge them to
sign Written Declaration 40/2007.
http://www.navs.org.uk/take_action/39/0/885/

If you want to do mo-

Please write to the European Commission and ask them to ban primate
tests. To help, a prepared letter can be found at
http://www.eceae.org/saveprimates/en/action.html

The address is:-
Mr. Stavros Dimas
Commissioner for Environment
European Commission
B-1049, Brussels, Belgium

Please tell all your colleagues and friends in the UK and Europe about
Written Declaration 40/2007.

For information on Alternatives to Animal Testing and why they work
visit the Dr Hadwen Trust
http://www.drhadwentrust.org/

For further information:-
http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/2987

http://www.buav.org

Thank You

Tony, Nottingham, England


And this has what to do with gardens? If the primates are excused from
testing should we expect them to come around weekly and help with the
weeding?

That's a silly and frivolous comment on what appears to be a serious
and worthwhile issue.

All living things are connected.

Persephone

Will the adolescents find no end to their frivolity? The lady is talking
about torturing sentient beings. You twisted ****.
--
FB - FFF

Billy

Get up, stand up, stand up for yor rights.
Get up, stand up, Don't give up the fight.
- Bob Marley

snip...

Will the adolescents find no end to their frivolity? The lady is talking
about torturing sentient beings. You twisted ****.

I don't know much about adolescents any more, not having been one for
some decades.

But what I _do_ know about is persons who post wildly off-topic material
in newsgroups which I normally enjoy reading. If someone feels strongly
about a topic, fine, great, wonderful. Let them support it and advocate
for it, march in the streets if they feel like it. But if they feel
motivated to write about it let them do it in the proper forum. Keep
discussions in a "recreation gardens" forum to the subject of
recreational gardens. Political discussion clearly does not belong in
rec.gardens unless it involves an impingement of politics upon
recreational gardening. If the EU was deciding upon the banning of
home-grown veggies then this is the place for it but not otherwise.

Oh. By the way Billy, you really need to learn to reply to posts. The
general idea is that one replies to posts directly and not several
levels down the thread. But before you tackle that concept, clean up
your language. If nothing else, your vulgar writing labels you as one
whose ideas have no value.

--
John McGaw
[Knoxville, TN, USA]
http://johnmcgaw.com

In article ,
John McGaw wrote:

snip...

Will the adolescents find no end to their frivolity? The lady is talking
about torturing sentient beings. You twisted ****.

I don't know much about adolescents any more, not having been one for
some decades.

But what I _do_ know about is persons who post wildly off-topic material
in newsgroups which I normally enjoy reading. If someone feels strongly
about a topic, fine, great, wonderful. Let them support it and advocate
for it, march in the streets if they feel like it. But if they feel
motivated to write about it let them do it in the proper forum. Keep
discussions in a "recreation gardens" forum to the subject of
recreational gardens. Political discussion clearly does not belong in
rec.gardens unless it involves an impingement of politics upon
recreational gardening. If the EU was deciding upon the banning of
home-grown veggies then this is the place for it but not otherwise.

Oh. By the way Billy, you really need to learn to reply to posts. The
general idea is that one replies to posts directly and not several
levels down the thread. But before you tackle that concept, clean up
your language. If nothing else, your vulgar writing labels you as one
whose ideas have no value.

As you point out, Sir, this immoderate exhortation is wildly off subject
for this newsgroup. Thank god, we have men like you here to get things
right.

My deepest condolences for the manifest shock and horror, that you must
have felt, to have your personal tranquillity inconveniently ruptured by
a solicitation for help, in a public forum, to shelter animals (animals
for god's sake) from inhuman and unnecessary pain.

You are obviously a person of great sensitivity in that you noticed the
inappropriateness of the post immediately. . . . Still, . . . there is
this gross matter of your mocking the helpless tortured animals that
appears to belie any trace of humanity in your character, Sir. I would
venture that that any of these animals, including primates, who may have
been poached from dwindling populations in preserves, to take part in
human drug testing, that may not be applicable to humans, would love and
come and enjoy the pleasures of your tranquil verdant yard, far from the
sounds of screeching pain emanating from it's neighbors cage. This total
lack of empathy, care, or understanding was what probably illicit my
characterization of you as a "twisted ****". I'm certain that with
little effort I could be quite more specific.

In as much as I have responded to you, Sir, and not the OP, it is due
the exceeding contempt I have for your character, bereft as it is of
humanity, charm, or wit. Your instruction and pedagogy are without merit
as I have no lesson to learn from you, Sir.

Your distain for vulgar* language displays your contempt for the common
man (and wisdom) and exhibits your tenuous attempts at elitism.

You are a very sad and barren example of a human being.

John Donne once said, "No man is an island, entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main." A sentiment that isn't
restricted to humanity but includes all living beings within its' fold.

You, on the other hand, boy, strike me more as a peninsula, if you take
my meaning.

http://wspa.org.uk/index.asp

http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news/2987

* Etymology: Middle English, from Latin vulgaris of the mob, vulgar,
from volgus, vulgus mob, common people
--
FB - FFF

Billy

Get up, stand up, stand up for yor rights.
Get up, stand up, Don't give up the fight.
- Bob Marley