The same problems over and over again. The message is the same.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

--
Many tree problems are associated with the following: They are Case
Sensitive.

Troubles in the Rhizosphere
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/RHIZO.html

Unhealthy Trees from the Nursery / Improper Planting
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub1.html
and
Look up "Tree Planting" http://www.treedictionary.com

Improper Mulching - http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/sub3.html
and
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/M/ Look up "Mulch"

Improper Pruning
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning

Improper Fertilization (See A Touch of Chemistry)
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/CHEM.html

Tree Farming and Related Problems
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/SOUND/

Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
The same problems over and over again. The message is the same.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.

"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
The same problems over and over again. The message is the same.

Don't fret too much over it, John. For reasons it's better not to ponder,
there will always be a segment of society which doesn't read, and expects
fast answers and instant gratification.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
The same problems over and over again. The message is the same.

Don't fret too much over it, John. For reasons it's better not to ponder,
there will always be a segment of society which doesn't read, and expects
fast answers and instant gratification.


Particularly with John's level of information.

In article ,
"D. Staples" wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
The same problems over and over again. The message is the same.

Don't fret too much over it, John. For reasons it's better not to ponder,
there will always be a segment of society which doesn't read, and expects
fast answers and instant gratification.


Particularly with John's level of information.

At least John has information, all you have are invectives. If you have
something to say, say it. Quit this passive aggressive maiden aunt
routine.
--
FB - FFF

Billy

Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights.
Get up, stand up, Don't give up the fight.
- Bob Marley

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"D. Staples" wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
The same problems over and over again. The message is the same.

Don't fret too much over it, John. For reasons it's better not to
ponder,
there will always be a segment of society which doesn't read, and
expects
fast answers and instant gratification.


Particularly with John's level of information.

At least John has information, all you have are invectives. If you have
something to say, say it. Quit this passive aggressive maiden aunt
routine.

You enjoy reading false information, as found in John's "dictionary"? Ask a
question, on trees, and I will answer to the best of my ability. Or, follow
John, and stay confused.

Oh, wait, I forgot, you are the know it all.

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"D. Staples" wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
The same problems over and over again. The message is the same.

Don't fret too much over it, John. For reasons it's better not to
ponder,
there will always be a segment of society which doesn't read, and
expects
fast answers and instant gratification.


Particularly with John's level of information.

At least John has information, all you have are invectives. If you have
something to say, say it. Quit this passive aggressive maiden aunt
routine.
--
FB - FFF

Billy

Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights.
Get up, stand up, Don't give up the fight.
- Bob Marley

Here's my perspective. Most us can make observations of conditions. Most
us don't know the cause. Just observe stuff that may or may not have been
the cause of a condition.

Many websites are terribly informative. They may or may not address a
particular condition observed. And may be confused by the observer as the
actual source of the condition, and even misdiagnose the condition based on
such information. And may follow such advice to address correcting a
misdiagnosed condition. Singular afflictions are usually addressed by such
information, not multiple causes that may manifest themselves as something
slightly different or differently entirely.

Conclusion: If you want sound information, call an arborist to personally
observe your afflicted tree.
Dave

And here is the questions to use selecting an arborist:

http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/quiz.html

http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/quiz-ma100.html


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"Dave" wrote in message
...
"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"D. Staples" wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
The same problems over and over again. The message is the same.

Don't fret too much over it, John. For reasons it's better not to
ponder,
there will always be a segment of society which doesn't read, and
expects
fast answers and instant gratification.


Particularly with John's level of information.

At least John has information, all you have are invectives. If you have
something to say, say it. Quit this passive aggressive maiden aunt
routine.
--
FB - FFF

Billy

Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights.
Get up, stand up, Don't give up the fight.
- Bob Marley

Here's my perspective. Most us can make observations of conditions.
Most us don't know the cause. Just observe stuff that may or may not have
been the cause of a condition.

Many websites are terribly informative. They may or may not address a
particular condition observed. And may be confused by the observer as the
actual source of the condition, and even misdiagnose the condition based
on such information. And may follow such advice to address correcting a
misdiagnosed condition. Singular afflictions are usually addressed by
such information, not multiple causes that may manifest themselves as
something slightly different or differently entirely.

Conclusion: If you want sound information, call an arborist to personally
observe your afflicted tree.
Dave

"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
And here is the questions to use selecting an arborist:

http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/quiz.html

http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/quiz-ma100.html


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.

All you can do is hustle Shigo's work? Pitiful.

Beware of so-called tree biologist who have never studied biology.

In article ,
"D. Staples" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"D. Staples" wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
The same problems over and over again. The message is the same.

Don't fret too much over it, John. For reasons it's better not to
ponder,
there will always be a segment of society which doesn't read, and
expects
fast answers and instant gratification.


Particularly with John's level of information.

At least John has information, all you have are invectives. If you have
something to say, say it. Quit this passive aggressive maiden aunt
routine.

You enjoy reading false information, as found in John's "dictionary"? Ask a
question, on trees, and I will answer to the best of my ability. Or, follow
John, and stay confused.

Oh, wait, I forgot, you are the know it all.

Personally I find Johns postings boring and distant. Instead of just
referring to web sites, I would like it if he could state his take on a
question and then post a site that supports his conclusion but that is
just me. John doesn't have to make me happy, he is suppling information,
his way, and I can take it or leave it.

I would ask you, that if you find a mistake in John's dictionary, or in
any of his postings, please correct it without resorting to character
assassination. Then, maybe, we all could learn something instead of just
being subjected to the rancor, but that's just me. This isn't my NG. I
just post in it.
--
FB - FFF

Billy

Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights.
Get up, stand up, Don't give up the fight.
- Bob Marley

In article ,
"Dave" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"D. Staples" wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
The same problems over and over again. The message is the same.

Don't fret too much over it, John. For reasons it's better not to
ponder,
there will always be a segment of society which doesn't read, and
expects
fast answers and instant gratification.


Particularly with John's level of information.

At least John has information, all you have are invectives. If you have
something to say, say it. Quit this passive aggressive maiden aunt
routine.
--
FB - FFF

Billy

Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights.
Get up, stand up, Don't give up the fight.
- Bob Marley

Here's my perspective. Most us can make observations of conditions. Most
us don't know the cause. Just observe stuff that may or may not have been
the cause of a condition.

Many websites are terribly informative. They may or may not address a
particular condition observed. And may be confused by the observer as the
actual source of the condition, and even misdiagnose the condition based on
such information. And may follow such advice to address correcting a
misdiagnosed condition. Singular afflictions are usually addressed by such
information, not multiple causes that may manifest themselves as something
slightly different or differently entirely.

Conclusion: If you want sound information, call an arborist to personally
observe your afflicted tree.
Dave

Sound advice Dave but I think most of us are here to do it on the cheap.
We can learn about plants. We can learn about parasites and diseases. We
can test our soils. We can grow too. Sometimes I think people are just
lonely and use their plants to reach out to others. Other times I think
that people may have figured out some gardening puzzle and when they
tell their friends, they just get a blank stare, whereas here, they may
get accolades. These NGs serve many functions.
--
FB - FFF

Billy

Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights.
Get up, stand up, Don't give up the fight.
- Bob Marley

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Dave" wrote:

"Billy" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"D. Staples" wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
The same problems over and over again. The message is the same.

Don't fret too much over it, John. For reasons it's better not to
ponder,
there will always be a segment of society which doesn't read, and
expects
fast answers and instant gratification.


Particularly with John's level of information.

At least John has information, all you have are invectives. If you have
something to say, say it. Quit this passive aggressive maiden aunt
routine.
--
FB - FFF

Billy

Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights.
Get up, stand up, Don't give up the fight.
- Bob Marley

Here's my perspective. Most us can make observations of conditions.
Most
us don't know the cause. Just observe stuff that may or may not have
been
the cause of a condition.

Many websites are terribly informative. They may or may not address a
particular condition observed. And may be confused by the observer as
the
actual source of the condition, and even misdiagnose the condition based
on
such information. And may follow such advice to address correcting a
misdiagnosed condition. Singular afflictions are usually addressed by
such
information, not multiple causes that may manifest themselves as
something
slightly different or differently entirely.

Conclusion: If you want sound information, call an arborist to personally
observe your afflicted tree.
Dave

Sound advice Dave but I think most of us are here to do it on the cheap.
We can learn about plants. We can learn about parasites and diseases. We
can test our soils. We can grow too. Sometimes I think people are just
lonely and use their plants to reach out to others. Other times I think
that people may have figured out some gardening puzzle and when they
tell their friends, they just get a blank stare, whereas here, they may
get accolades. These NGs serve many functions.
--
FB - FFF

Billy

Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights.
Get up, stand up, Don't give up the fight.
- Bob Marley

Changed my post/reply name.

Sure, most people are willing to learn and share info. Can save your
veggies are what-not in the process. No big deal if not successful, try
again next year. A tree is a different story if you don't want to lose it.
I neither support or against any arborist recommended by the original
poster.

--
Dave
Profound is we're here due to a chance arrangement
of chemicals in the ocean billions of years ago.
More profound is we made it to the top of the food
chain per our reasoning abilities.
Most profound is the denial of why we may
be on the way out.

I have a pretty good understanding of trees. Shigo has offered a lot to
people who had a desire to learn about trees. What are you suggesting I do?
Forget about the teachings?

BTW people who would like to read some of Shigo's
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/shigo/index.html

3. Literature Available by Dr. Shigo is he
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/treeinfo.html

4. Hard to get Documents
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT20...get/index.html

5. Tree Pruning
http://www.treedictionary.com/DICT2003/tree_pruning

If you have any suggestions please let me know. 610-864-5251

Don Staples claims to be a tree expert yet he has little if any
understanding of tree biology. And that bothers him and I think he is
jealous.

Forestry "Get the wood out" or; Management to get the wood out! My concern,
and question is, how can anyone manage something they do not understand?
Until forestry teaches the parts of the system, problems will increase, not
decrease. Thinking: How can they manage something, if they do not know what
the something is?
Forests are natural systems made up of trees and their associates connected
in such highly ordered ways that all parts have equal opportunities for
survival as energy is trapped. Would in not be wonderful if people really
knew what they were talking about! Especially if they discuss forest
management

John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://mercury.ccil.org/~treeman/
Beware of so-called TREE EXPERTS who do not understand TREE BIOLOGY!
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.


"Don Staples" wrote in message
...
"symplastless" wrote in message
. ..
And here is the questions to use selecting an arborist:

http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/quiz.html

http://home.ccil.org/~treeman/quiz-ma100.html


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding
us that we are not the boss.

All you can do is hustle Shigo's work? Pitiful.

Beware of so-called tree biologist who have never studied biology.

"symplastless" wrote in message
...
I have a pretty good understanding of trees. Shigo has offered a lot to
people who had a desire to learn about trees. What are you suggesting I
do? Forget about the teachings?
Stop living through some one elses work.


Don Staples claims to be a tree expert yet he has little if any
understanding of tree biology. And that bothers him and I think he is
jealous.

That's funny, I had more biology as a freshman than you have in all your 2
day courses, tree butcher.


Forestry "Get the wood out" or; Management to get the wood out! My
concern, and question is, how can anyone manage something they do not
understand? Until forestry teaches the parts of the system, problems will
increase, not decrease. Thinking: How can they manage something, if they
do not know what the something is?
Forests are natural systems made up of trees and their associates
connected in such highly ordered ways that all parts have equal
opportunities for survival as energy is trapped. Would in not be
wonderful if people really knew what they were talking about! Especially
if they discuss forest management

John is a tree butcher, making his living cutting limbs, and trying to be
Dr. Shigo.

Beware of so-called tree biologist who have never studied biology.

Butchers are highly skilled people. Thank you for the compliment.


--
Sincerely,
John A. Keslick, Jr.
Consulting Arborist
http://home.ccil.org/~treeman
and www.treedictionary.com
Beware of so-called tree experts who do not understand tree biology.
Storms, fires, floods, earthquakes, and volcanic eruptions keep reminding us
that we are not the boss.

"D. Staples" wrote in message
...

"symplastless" wrote in message
...
I have a pretty good understanding of trees. Shigo has offered a lot to
people who had a desire to learn about trees. What are you suggesting I
do? Forget about the teachings?
Stop living through some one elses work.


Don Staples claims to be a tree expert yet he has little if any
understanding of tree biology. And that bothers him and I think he is
jealous.

That's funny, I had more biology as a freshman than you have in all your 2
day courses, tree butcher.


Forestry "Get the wood out" or; Management to get the wood out! My
concern, and question is, how can anyone manage something they do not
understand? Until forestry teaches the parts of the system, problems will
increase, not decrease. Thinking: How can they manage something, if they
do not know what the something is?
Forests are natural systems made up of trees and their associates
connected in such highly ordered ways that all parts have equal
opportunities for survival as energy is trapped. Would in not be
wonderful if people really knew what they were talking about! Especially
if they discuss forest management

John is a tree butcher, making his living cutting limbs, and trying to be
Dr. Shigo.

Beware of so-called tree biologist who have never studied biology.